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There could be life elsewhere but it necessarily does not mean it will be more intelligent....there could be completely different creatures & more complex
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there's billions of stars out there im sure at least 0,1 % can support life so the question did they visit yet or they are travelling the space to visit us if they can't find better planet to visit there's billions of stars in just our galaxy alone, the milky way... and, on top of that, there's another 100 billion galaxy's out there... The chances for this 'one' universe to have even ONE planet supporting life is mathematically impossible, because the probability of a simple, basic cell forming is 10^57800 to 1. let thank sink in, that is 1 with 57,800 zeros after it and the number of atoms in the observable universe is 10^80, and any probability past 10^50 to 1 is deemed universally impossible . The only explanation that 'discounts a Supreme intelligence is an unprovable 'multiverse' ...If one of the natural constants was one hairs width off we wouldnt exist , that is like winning first division lottery every day for thousands of years , impossible . The whole Universe was created for us , we need several 'generations' of stars to provide enough carbon for life ...IF there is other LIFE , we are the most intelligent 'according to the word ' and makes sense to me IF there was 'more' intelligent life they would of visited us by now and amature astronomers would easily pick them up , they NOWHERE .... IF you really want to do the math , we shouldnt be here  damn,did you ever step in it again!  Hovind is a very poor choice to get your Science from! |
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Why should I? Your screen name suggests that you do. :P |
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Edited by
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there's billions of stars out there im sure at least 0,1 % can support life so the question did they visit yet or they are travelling the space to visit us if they can't find better planet to visit there's billions of stars in just our galaxy alone, the milky way... and, on top of that, there's another 100 billion galaxy's out there... The chances for this 'one' universe to have even ONE planet supporting life is mathematically impossible, because the probability of a simple, basic cell forming is 10^57800 to 1. let thank sink in, that is 1 with 57,800 zeros after it and the number of atoms in the observable universe is 10^80, and any probability past 10^50 to 1 is deemed universally impossible . The only explanation that 'discounts a Supreme intelligence is an unprovable 'multiverse' ...If one of the natural constants was one hairs width off we wouldnt exist , that is like winning first division lottery every day for thousands of years , impossible . The whole Universe was created for us , we need several 'generations' of stars to provide enough carbon for life ...IF there is other LIFE , we are the most intelligent 'according to the word ' and makes sense to me IF there was 'more' intelligent life they would of visited us by now and amature astronomers would easily pick them up , they NOWHERE .... IF you really want to do the math , we shouldnt be here damn,did you ever step in it again! Hovind is a very poor choice to get your Science from! possibly so he's a bit 'hard' to listen to , you can deny all you like , you will deny until you meet your maker i have no doubt , does that make you right ? hardly . "the rumors of Gods death were premature. More amazing is that the relatively recent case for his existence comes from a surprising place�science itself." No-Sh#t einstein , it is Science thats backs creation ... as far as science finding 'Alien life ?' "As of 2014, researchers have discovered precisely bubkis�0 followed by nothing." The Universe is Deafening in its silence ! What happened? As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting. Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkel wrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: �In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.�� As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldnt be here. Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life�every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earths surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing. Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesnt assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being? Theres more. The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces��gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the strong�and weak�nuclear forces��were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction��by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000��then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to digest that . Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all�just happened� defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really? Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term �big bang, said that his atheism was�greatly shaken�at these developments. He later wrote that�a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.� Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that the appearance of design is overwhelming�and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said�the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here. Then we want to bring Aliens into the equation ? Really . Even a 5 yr old would ask ' where did they come from ?'�� http://www.wsj.com/articles/eric-metaxas-science-increasingly-makes-the-case-for-god-1419544568 I met John Lennox in Adelaide , great Scientist and Christian ... |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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there's billions of stars out there im sure at least 0,1 % can support life so the question did they visit yet or they are travelling the space to visit us if they can't find better planet to visit there's billions of stars in just our galaxy alone, the milky way... and, on top of that, there's another 100 billion galaxy's out there... The chances for this 'one' universe to have even ONE planet supporting life is mathematically impossible, because the probability of a simple, basic cell forming is 10^57800 to 1. let thank sink in, that is 1 with 57,800 zeros after it and the number of atoms in the observable universe is 10^80, and any probability past 10^50 to 1 is deemed universally impossible . The only explanation that 'discounts a Supreme intelligence is an unprovable 'multiverse' ...If one of the natural constants was one hairs width off we wouldnt exist , that is like winning first division lottery every day for thousands of years , impossible . The whole Universe was created for us , we need several 'generations' of stars to provide enough carbon for life ...IF there is other LIFE , we are the most intelligent 'according to the word ' and makes sense to me IF there was 'more' intelligent life they would of visited us by now and amature astronomers would easily pick them up , they NOWHERE .... IF you really want to do the math , we shouldnt be here damn,did you ever step in it again! Hovind is a very poor choice to get your Science from! possibly so he's a bit 'hard' to listen to , you can deny all you like , you will deny until you meet your maker i have no doubt , does that make you right ? hardly . "the rumors of Gods death were premature. More amazing is that the relatively recent case for his existence comes from a surprising place�science itself." No-Sh#t einstein , it is Science thats backs creation ... as far as science finding 'Alien life ?' "As of 2014, researchers have discovered precisely bubkis�0 followed by nothing." The Universe is Deafening in its silence ! What happened? As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting. Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkel wrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: �In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.�� As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldnt be here. Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life�every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earths surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing. Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesnt assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being? Theres more. The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces��gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the strong�and weak�nuclear forces��were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction��by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000��then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to digest that . Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all�just happened� defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really? Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term �big bang, said that his atheism was�greatly shaken�at these developments. He later wrote that�a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.� Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that the appearance of design is overwhelming�and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said�the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here. Then we want to bring Aliens into the equation ? Really . Even a 5 yr old would ask ' where did they come from ?'�� http://www.wsj.com/articles/eric-metaxas-science-increasingly-makes-the-case-for-god-1419544568 I met John Lennox in Adelaide , great Scientist and Christian ... It sure would bring your whole religious Myth of an exclusionary Earth come crashing down! BTW,Fred Hoyle didn't create the Term,he was actually somewhat peeved that others coined it,since it is not accurate! Professor John Carson Lennox (born 1945) is an Irish mathematician, philosopher of science and Christian apologist who is Professor of Mathematics[2] at the University of Oxford. He is a Fellow in Mathematics and Philosophy of Science at Green Templeton College, Oxford University. He is also Pastoral Advisor of Green Templeton College and Fellow of Wycliffe Hall. He is a leading voice defending the notion of the relationship between science and religion.[citation needed] Lennox is considered to be a leading figure of the evangelical intelligentsia movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennox you're betting on the wrong Horse,Old Son! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_apologetics |
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Edited by
Th3Dv8
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lol Earth like ??
Whats Earthlike , round with a nearby star ? When they get a rover to do tests of atmosphere , gravity , water etc etc , until then its out of the realms of what you,d call science ? You may not want to beleive in a GOD but you will be forced to , unfortunately ...  lol professor of mathematics is not science ?? I did say christian . allready spent a minute to long debating you , cheer's . what r the odds  |
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lol Earth like ?? Whats Earthlike , round with a nearby star ? When they get a rover to do tests of atmosphere , gravity , water etc etc , until then its out of the realms of what you,d call science ? You may not want to beleive in a GOD but you will be forced to , unfortunately ... lol professor of mathematics is not science ?? I did say christian . allready spent a minute to long debating you , cheer's . what r the odds
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there's billions of stars out there im sure at least 0,1 % can support life so the question did they visit yet or they are travelling the space to visit us if they can't find better planet to visit there's billions of stars in just our galaxy alone, the milky way... and, on top of that, there's another 100 billion galaxy's out there... The chances for this 'one' universe to have even ONE planet supporting life is mathematically impossible, because the probability of a simple, basic cell forming is 10^57800 to 1. let thank sink in, that is 1 with 57,800 zeros after it and the number of atoms in the observable universe is 10^80, and any probability past 10^50 to 1 is deemed universally impossible . The only explanation that 'discounts a Supreme intelligence is an unprovable 'multiverse' ...If one of the natural constants was one hairs width off we wouldnt exist , that is like winning first division lottery every day for thousands of years , impossible . The whole Universe was created for us , we need several 'generations' of stars to provide enough carbon for life ...IF there is other LIFE , we are the most intelligent 'according to the word ' and makes sense to me IF there was 'more' intelligent life they would of visited us by now and amature astronomers would easily pick them up , they NOWHERE .... IF you really want to do the math , we shouldnt be here  and where do you come up with these figures? |
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lol Earth like ?? Whats Earthlike , round with a nearby star ? When they get a rover to do tests of atmosphere , gravity , water etc etc , until then its out of the realms of what you,d call science ? You may not want to beleive in a GOD but you will be forced to , unfortunately ... lol professor of mathematics is not science ?? I did say christian . allready spent a minute to long debating you , cheer's . what r the odds The Bible says that all will be 'forced to acknowledge ' Jesus as LORD ...Your knee will bend and you will bow out of fear (when the door is shut ) your option for survival is over . No i do not think i am superior in 'any' way , i am fearfull for you guys as Christians know whats comming , we know there will come a time very soon when it is to late to turn to CHRIST , we know that then you's will wish that you had've listened , Christians are grieving for the world now as we know whats comming ... Why is my message so blunt ? Becuase it has to be , Christians the world over know how close we are , so we have to 'step it up' Do you expect us to keep quiet ? Do you want us to keep quiet ? We cannot , GOD wants 'all' to survive ... |
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lol Earth like ?? Whats Earthlike , round with a nearby star ? When they get a rover to do tests of atmosphere , gravity , water etc etc , until then its out of the realms of what you,d call science ? You may not want to beleive in a GOD but you will be forced to , unfortunately ... lol professor of mathematics is not science ?? I did say christian . allready spent a minute to long debating you , cheer's . what r the odds The Bible says that all will be 'forced to acknowledge ' Jesus as LORD ...Your knee will bend and you will bow out of fear (when the door is shut ) your option for survival is over . No i do not think i am superior in 'any' way , i am fearfull for you guys as Christians know whats comming , we know there will come a time very soon when it is to late to turn to CHRIST , we know that then you's will wish that you had've listened , Christians are grieving for the world now as we know whats comming ... Why is my message so blunt ? Becuase it has to be , Christians the world over know how close we are , so we have to 'step it up' Do you expect us to keep quiet ? Do you want us to keep quiet ? We cannot , GOD wants 'all' to survive ... your "fearful"? lol, why? whats it to you if i go to heaven or hell? for the last thousand years, you people have talking about the "second" coming, and not one has been right yet... if your so sure, you wouldn't have this compulsion to save everyone, seems to me your just scared that your not right...if your god wanted us all to survive, then we would, plain and simple... |
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lol Earth like ?? Whats Earthlike , round with a nearby star ? When they get a rover to do tests of atmosphere , gravity , water etc etc , until then its out of the realms of what you,d call science ? You may not want to beleive in a GOD but you will be forced to , unfortunately ... lol professor of mathematics is not science ?? I did say christian . allready spent a minute to long debating you , cheer's . what r the odds The Bible says that all will be 'forced to acknowledge ' Jesus as LORD ...Your knee will bend and you will bow out of fear (when the door is shut ) your option for survival is over . No i do not think i am superior in 'any' way , i am fearfull for you guys as Christians know whats comming , we know there will come a time very soon when it is to late to turn to CHRIST , we know that then you's will wish that you had've listened , Christians are grieving for the world now as we know whats comming ... Why is my message so blunt ? Becuase it has to be , Christians the world over know how close we are , so we have to 'step it up' Do you expect us to keep quiet ? Do you want us to keep quiet ? We cannot , GOD wants 'all' to survive ... your "fearful"? lol, why? whats it to you if i go to heaven or hell? for the last thousand years, you people have talking about the "second" coming, and not one has been right yet... if your so sure, you wouldn't have this compulsion to save everyone, seems to me your just scared that your not right...if your god wanted us all to survive, then we would, plain and simple... My GOD ? that'd be 'our' GOD , us guys have been saying that for the last thousand years ? 2012 for instance ? you,s guy's pinned 'that' failure on 'US' as well , it was only Christians who didnt take no notice of it ... You have fallen for the deception Satan wants you to , desensitised to end time prophecies ....Hollywood has been doing it for ages , so when the world falls apart around you it will be ' continue as usual ' so zombied by hollywood that 'nothing' will wake you up ... Jesus said 'no-body knows the day or hour ' but gave a series of events to show it was 'at the door' The Last days started when Jesus Rose from the grave on the third day , so we are in the last seconds of human history , jesus said Catastophes would become closer together the closer we got to his return , he spelled out what to look for at 'the end of the age' . Becuase it doesnt make the news , what makes the news is 'how much air is in footballs ' ? behind the scene's excactly as predicted just before jesus returns , these things ARE happening , micro-chipping is beginning to be rolled out . The Economy is about to Crash Hard , along with the U.S . A One world Government is arising .' Religion is being turned on . Earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are increasing . Again these are rumblings of what it about to break loose . Another prophecy involves you moe and everybody .... " Every knee will bend and acknowledge Jesus as LORD " You wont be forced to , your fear will force you to , you will realize you have been fooled and your creator will ask your reason for you foolishness ... As i said ' Becuase science told me so isnt going to cut it ' If you think i am harsh ? Gods Day , God taking this planet back is going to be frightning to say the least , There will be an EarthQuake so powerfull it will make the Earth wobble on it axis . 'blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.' Won't be replying or spending anymore time on these relgious/biblical topics and im a christian , what atheists are doing here is anybodies guess . Good Luck and God Bless all ...  |
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Edited by
unknown_romeo
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Thank you Reverand Th3dv8 for that remarkable insight
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Thank you Reverand Th3dv8 for that remarkable insight . 
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lol Earth like ?? Whats Earthlike , round with a nearby star ? When they get a rover to do tests of atmosphere , gravity , water etc etc , until then its out of the realms of what you,d call science ? You may not want to beleive in a GOD but you will be forced to , unfortunately ... lol professor of mathematics is not science ?? I did say christian . allready spent a minute to long debating you , cheer's . what r the odds The Bible says that all will be 'forced to acknowledge ' Jesus as LORD ...Your knee will bend and you will bow out of fear (when the door is shut ) your option for survival is over . No i do not think i am superior in 'any' way , i am fearfull for you guys as Christians know whats comming , we know there will come a time very soon when it is to late to turn to CHRIST , we know that then you's will wish that you had've listened , Christians are grieving for the world now as we know whats comming ... Why is my message so blunt ? Becuase it has to be , Christians the world over know how close we are , so we have to 'step it up' Do you expect us to keep quiet ? Do you want us to keep quiet ? We cannot , GOD wants 'all' to survive ... your "fearful"? lol, why? whats it to you if i go to heaven or hell? for the last thousand years, you people have talking about the "second" coming, and not one has been right yet... if your so sure, you wouldn't have this compulsion to save everyone, seems to me your just scared that your not right...if your god wanted us all to survive, then we would, plain and simple... My GOD ? that'd be 'our' GOD , us guys have been saying that for the last thousand years ? 2012 for instance ? you,s guy's pinned 'that' failure on 'US' as well , it was only Christians who didnt take no notice of it ... You have fallen for the deception Satan wants you to , desensitised to end time prophecies ....Hollywood has been doing it for ages , so when the world falls apart around you it will be ' continue as usual ' so zombied by hollywood that 'nothing' will wake you up ... Jesus said 'no-body knows the day or hour ' but gave a series of events to show it was 'at the door' The Last days started when Jesus Rose from the grave on the third day , so we are in the last seconds of human history , jesus said Catastophes would become closer together the closer we got to his return , he spelled out what to look for at 'the end of the age' . Becuase it doesnt make the news , what makes the news is 'how much air is in footballs ' ? behind the scene's excactly as predicted just before jesus returns , these things ARE happening , micro-chipping is beginning to be rolled out . The Economy is about to Crash Hard , along with the U.S . A One world Government is arising .' Religion is being turned on . Earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are increasing . Again these are rumblings of what it about to break loose . Another prophecy involves you moe and everybody .... " Every knee will bend and acknowledge Jesus as LORD " You wont be forced to , your fear will force you to , you will realize you have been fooled and your creator will ask your reason for you foolishness ... As i said ' Becuase science told me so isnt going to cut it ' If you think i am harsh ? Gods Day , God taking this planet back is going to be frightning to say the least , There will be an EarthQuake so powerfull it will make the Earth wobble on it axis . 'blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.' Won't be replying or spending anymore time on these relgious/biblical topics and im a christian , what atheists are doing here is anybodies guess . Good Luck and God Bless all ... yep,another one of those Cat-astrophe-Preachers! 
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All the alien abduction claims etc is all the medias responsibility....mainly coz of the sci-fi movies they took out first...then soon after the ''alleged moon landings'' & other space explorations got most excited & the alien related, claims increased
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that alien looks like hes had some magic mushrooms 
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