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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Wed 07/09/14 09:05 AM
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the greedy hand of government thrusts itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasps the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as prey, and permits none to escape without a tribute"."
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 07/09/14 01:36 PM
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I think as human beings , one of our greatest learning resources is each other. So, depending upon ones aim,and the type of country they wish to live in, looking at the example of others sometimes helps.
if the goal is to be prosperous, or safe, or secure, for instance: For the third year, Norway ranked no. 1. With per capita GDP of $54,000 it is among the richest in the world and ranks first in social capital and second in safety and security. Denmark is no. 2 for the third year. The tiny country ranks first in entrepreneurship and opportunity, based on high levels of social equality, high connectivity and the world's lowest start-up costs Australia has moved up from fifth place in 2009, the result of excellent education, an efficient government bureaucracy and booming trade in natural resources. New Zealand ranks no. 2 in governance, education and personal freedom. No country ranks higher in tolerance for immigrants. (Image of artist Grand Hughes, Napier, N.Z.). http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 and the top four countries with the highest income tax are: Aruba 58.95% $165,000 Sweden 56.6% $81,000 Denmark 55.4% $76,000 Netherlands 52% $72,500 http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 you get out what you put in, ,,seems like countries with the best living are the ones with citizens who are willing(and able) to put in the most just SEEMS,,,to me |
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Tax his land, Tax his bed, Tax the table At which he's fed. Tax his tractor, Tax his mule, Teach him taxes Are the rule. Tax his work, Tax his pay, He works for peanuts Anyway! Tax his cow, Tax his goat, Tax his pants, Tax his coat. Tax his ties, Tax his shirt, Tax his work, Tax his dirt. Tax his tobacco, Tax his drink, Tax him if he Tries to think. Tax his cigars, Tax his beers, If he cries Tax his tears. Tax his car, Tax his gas, Find other ways To tax his ***. Tax all he has Then let him know That you won't be done Till he has no dough. When he screams and hollers; Then tax him some more, Tax him till He's good and sore. Then tax his coffin, Tax his grave, Tax the sod in Which he's laid. Put these words Upon his tomb, Taxes drove me to my doom...' When he's gone, Do not relax, Its time to apply The inheritance tax. Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL license Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Excise Taxes Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon) Gross Receipts Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax) Liquor Tax Luxury Taxes Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Personal Property Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Service Charge T ax Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax Sales Tax Recreational Vehicle Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA) Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service FeeTax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax "STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids." kind of think about this complaint a little 100 years ago: in 1914,,, we had a population of 99 mill(one third of what we have become) http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720?quote=11082994 there were a small percentage of people who paid a small income tax, and they often werent happy about it either there were very few automobiles on the road telephones were mostly used for LOCAL communication the COUNTRY has grown and changed quite a bit over 100 years, to compare what is required of us now, to what was required of us then, kind of ignores all the areas of growth and the changes in lifestyle that have occurred,,, |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Wed 07/09/14 02:43 PM
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In reference to the question in the title... Not sure. I do believe citizens would be quite baffled if they actually knew how much they pay in taxes. Fed income tax State income tax Social security tax Medicare tax FICA Vehicle registrations Property tax Gasoline tax sales/excise taxes Inflation (yes this is actually a tax) Tolls Random fees/permits   you took the words right off my keyboard lol About time I got to em first...  
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Wed 07/09/14 02:37 PM
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whats to be baffled about really? federal government takes manpower and resources for which money is needed state government takes manpower and resources for which money is needed social security pays money out for which money must be taken in medicare pays money out for which money must be taken in documenting and tracking vehicles and owners and their legality takes manpower and resources for which money must be taken in for most things, they arent truly 'free' to produce or deliver and so there are expenses charged to cover the coss,,, While it may seem so, most are not blind to the necessity of some tax. Problem is these taxes are not efficiently utilized. Middle and upper class citizens would be better off if they were to invest the money themselves instead of putting into social security. 95% would be better off investing in their own medical expense account rather than donate to medicare/medicaid (or any type of insurance by that matter). You said it yourself, when the population was lower, we didn't need to pay as many taxes. Yet taxes, as a percentage, have increased drastically. Why did the percentage increase when the population increased? If 100 million only had to pay 15% of their annual income in taxes, why do 300 million have to pay 50% of their annual income? Something isn't right. This only points to how inefficient our system really is. While some countries with higher taxes have citizens who are wealthier, it is completely ludicrous to believe that the more money you give the government, the richer you get. Wealth only comes from capital. |
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the costs of providing goods and services and delivering them to masses never goes away either,,, Well said comrade but that should not be the job of government. And that my friends, is what we have lost sight of. Many do not understand our system of government only works if we maintain a certain set of principles. America was founded on the principle of independence and responsibility. Funny how things go awry when you abandon this concept. |
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One thing that should never be taxed is food, yet they still have a tax for it. That depends where you live. I live in Texas and food is not taxed. |
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I think as human beings , one of our greatest learning resources is each other. So, depending upon ones aim,and the type of country they wish to live in, looking at the example of others sometimes helps. if the goal is to be prosperous, or safe, or secure, for instance: For the third year, Norway ranked no. 1. With per capita GDP of $54,000 it is among the richest in the world and ranks first in social capital and second in safety and security. Denmark is no. 2 for the third year. The tiny country ranks first in entrepreneurship and opportunity, based on high levels of social equality, high connectivity and the world's lowest start-up costs Australia has moved up from fifth place in 2009, the result of excellent education, an efficient government bureaucracy and booming trade in natural resources. New Zealand ranks no. 2 in governance, education and personal freedom. No country ranks higher in tolerance for immigrants. (Image of artist Grand Hughes, Napier, N.Z.). http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 and the top four countries with the highest income tax are: Aruba 58.95% $165,000 Sweden 56.6% $81,000 Denmark 55.4% $76,000 Netherlands 52% $72,500 http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 you get out what you put in, ,,seems like countries with the best living are the ones with citizens who are willing(and able) to put in the most just SEEMS,,,to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates Go here and list my max individual. Almost the same as you listed but look at who is number 5 at 55.9%. Oh wait its the US. |
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I think as human beings , one of our greatest learning resources is each other. So, depending upon ones aim,and the type of country they wish to live in, looking at the example of others sometimes helps. if the goal is to be prosperous, or safe, or secure, for instance: For the third year, Norway ranked no. 1. With per capita GDP of $54,000 it is among the richest in the world and ranks first in social capital and second in safety and security. Denmark is no. 2 for the third year. The tiny country ranks first in entrepreneurship and opportunity, based on high levels of social equality, high connectivity and the world's lowest start-up costs Australia has moved up from fifth place in 2009, the result of excellent education, an efficient government bureaucracy and booming trade in natural resources. New Zealand ranks no. 2 in governance, education and personal freedom. No country ranks higher in tolerance for immigrants. (Image of artist Grand Hughes, Napier, N.Z.). http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 and the top four countries with the highest income tax are: Aruba 58.95% $165,000 Sweden 56.6% $81,000 Denmark 55.4% $76,000 Netherlands 52% $72,500 http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 you get out what you put in, ,,seems like countries with the best living are the ones with citizens who are willing(and able) to put in the most just SEEMS,,,to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates Go here and list my max individual. Almost the same as you listed but look at who is number 5 at 55.9%. Oh wait its the US. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sun 07/13/14 11:17 AM
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I think as human beings , one of our greatest learning resources is each other. So, depending upon ones aim,and the type of country they wish to live in, looking at the example of others sometimes helps. if the goal is to be prosperous, or safe, or secure, for instance: For the third year, Norway ranked no. 1. With per capita GDP of $54,000 it is among the richest in the world and ranks first in social capital and second in safety and security. Denmark is no. 2 for the third year. The tiny country ranks first in entrepreneurship and opportunity, based on high levels of social equality, high connectivity and the world's lowest start-up costs Australia has moved up from fifth place in 2009, the result of excellent education, an efficient government bureaucracy and booming trade in natural resources. New Zealand ranks no. 2 in governance, education and personal freedom. No country ranks higher in tolerance for immigrants. (Image of artist Grand Hughes, Napier, N.Z.). http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 and the top four countries with the highest income tax are: Aruba 58.95% $165,000 Sweden 56.6% $81,000 Denmark 55.4% $76,000 Netherlands 52% $72,500 http://mingle2.com/topic/reply/403720 you get out what you put in, ,,seems like countries with the best living are the ones with citizens who are willing(and able) to put in the most just SEEMS,,,to me seems something is amiss in your Reckoning! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Switzerland In 2002, some CHF 134 billion in taxes were levied in Switzerland, of which roughly one third was levied by the Confederation, the cantons and the municipalities, respectively.[59] The overall fiscal rate was 38.5 percent of GDP in 2002.[60] The effective individual tax rate is subject to considerable variation depending on the canton and municipality of residence. For instance, companies subject to ordinary taxation paid between 13 and 25 percent of income tax in 2006, and the maximum individual tax rates in major cities ranged between 12.3 percent in the canton of Zug and 32.3 percent in the canton of Jura.[61] |
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Why not stop working and just live on welfare?  If you make almost nothing everything is free. Free to Whom? |
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