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Topic: Rebuking Eric Holder
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Sun 07/20/14 10:45 AM



msharmony's photo
Sun 07/20/14 12:55 PM


msharmony's photo
Sun 07/20/14 12:56 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 07/20/14 12:56 PM

I can't prevent people from trying to keep the Democratic Party on a pedestal, but it is amusing to watch them try. laugh


its as amusing as watching people try to discard others perceptions and experiences by claiming they play a 'race card'

neither party is on a pedestal (though it is bipartisan to tie behaviors to one party over another, like how the 'race card' is used to disparage democrats)


but what is relevant to THIS THREAD is that the op cited here was making a false and all too commonly false claim,,

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Sun 07/20/14 01:47 PM


I can't prevent people from trying to keep the Democratic Party on a pedestal, but it is amusing to watch them try. laugh


its as amusing as watching people try to discard others perceptions and experiences by claiming they play a 'race card'

neither party is on a pedestal (though it is bipartisan to tie behaviors to one party over another, like how the 'race card' is used to disparage democrats)


but what is relevant to THIS THREAD is that the op cited here was making a false and all too commonly false claim,,


All too commonly false claim ... such as the false claim that the Republican Party promotes racist policies.
Got it.

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Sun 07/20/14 01:54 PM
well, I dont know if 'promote' is the word

but they certainly do step out AGAINST policies that could end past discriminatory practices against blacks

something that might be more appealing to 'racist' voters than non racists,,,

not the same as saying all republicans are racist though, as Im sure from past history people will start responding with complaints about,,,

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Sun 07/20/14 01:58 PM

well, I dont know if 'promote' is the word

but they certainly do step out AGAINST policies that could end past discriminatory practices against blacks


huh No they don't.

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Sun 07/20/14 02:07 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 07/20/14 02:08 PM
they promote an image and policies that would be attractive to racists

make it harder for blacks(and impoverished) to vote(voter id)
continue to give more privilged (mostly white) applicants the upper hand in admissions (reversing AA)
remove barriers that keep blacks and impoverished from voting(repealing parts of voting rights act)
non support of any compromise or leniency for illegal immigrants
cutting social programs that disproportionately assist minorities

I dont have on blinders , I realize that certain segments are more drawn to certain parties

homosexuals and non religious are more drawn to democrats (politically labeled as 'liberal')

religious fundamentalists and racists . especially bible belt racists, are more drawn to republicans (politically labeled as 'conservative')



thats just an honest observation, not an assertion that all democrats are homosexual and non religious or that none of them are fundamentalist or racist

just that the pursuits of these parties are bound to appeal more to some demographics than others,,,

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Sun 07/20/14 07:50 PM

they promote an image and policies that would be attractive to racists

make it harder for blacks(and impoverished) to vote(voter id)

As opposed to promoting the false claim that African-Americans are incapable of obtaining photo IDs. Seriously, I consider such a false claim to be an anti-black put-down.

continue to give more privilged (mostly white) applicants the upper hand in admissions (reversing AA)

I was not aware that "better qualified" was equal to "privileged".
However, I was already aware that it is an act of racism to admit a less-qualified person just because that person is a member of a certain race.

remove barriers that keep blacks and impoverished from voting(repealing parts of voting rights act)


Nothing "repealed" is preventing African-Americans from voting.

non support of any compromise or leniency for illegal immigrants


So, you want leniency for people who violate the USA's immigration laws. The rule of law doesn't matter to you?

cutting social programs that disproportionately assist minorities


How about reducing federal programs that have largely failed to do what they were supposed to do, that are notorious for waste and fraud. Some things really should be left to the states to do.

homosexuals and non religious are more drawn to democrats (politically labeled as 'liberal')

religious fundamentalists and racists . especially bible belt racists, are more drawn to republicans (politically labeled as 'conservative')


I was not aware that all of those people who voted for Obama because he is black are "drawn to Republicans".
I was not aware that racist Democrats are ""drawn to Republicans".

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Sun 07/20/14 08:06 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 07/20/14 08:07 PM
Dodo, nonoe said blacks were 'incapable' of anything

'better qualified' is not such a simple metric to measure, there are too many traits that are important to success, but when 'better qualified' is equated with who went to a better school or had a better education or looks more impressive on paper,, PRIVILIGED gets the automatic upperhand just from being born to the right situation or class


nothing is preventing african americans from voting, but it is now no longer illegal to make it harder to do so if a district so choooses, or to impose new regulations to make voting harder,,,even in places whre there has been a HISTORY OF DISCRIMINATION IN VOTING,,,,



the rule of law does matter to me, as well as common sense and balance,, common sense dictates to me that just like certain crimes are ruled upon based upon the defendants PAST offenses or history,, illegal immigrants need to be likewise prioritized and more deeply considered in terms of their past,, instead of just deporting everyone,,,,


and again, there were no absolutes stated

I believe I even included that the observation of which parties people are 'more drawn' to is not the same as an observation that those parties consist of only that type or that that type is ONLY drawn to that party

obviously, all the republican homosexuals arent drawn to democrats

but I would easily imagine that homosexuals are MORE OFTEN drawn to democrats or 'liberals'


because you are able to find other potential reasons for these policies , they certainly are still attractive to racists who see them as policies that will keep others from taking their privilged position in society

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Mon 07/21/14 03:44 AM


Eric Holder "... my people ..." referring to the Black Panther voter situation.

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Mon 07/21/14 03:47 AM
To those who think there is no problem with Eric Holder's obvious racism,
... Why do you think someone took all the trouble to draw all the political cartoons?

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Mon 07/21/14 03:53 AM

HoneyFly's photo
Mon 07/21/14 05:17 AM
offtopic

Actually I have a green card, what color is the race card btw?

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 07/21/14 05:59 AM

offtopic

Actually I have a green card, what color is the race card btw?


pitchfork laugh

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Mon 07/21/14 02:32 PM



Eric Holder "... my people ..." referring to the Black Panther voter situation.



another example of taking a tidbit and running with it,, turns out, for Holder, it actually did involve his 'people'

full quote

HOLDER: But, I mean, think about that. When you compare what people endured in the South in the '60s to try to get the right to vote for African-Americans, and to compare what people were subjected to there, to what happened in Philadelphia, which is inappropriate -- it's certainly that -- but to call that -- to put it -- you describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line, who risked all for my people, my wife's sister.

Anyway, the University of Alabama -- George Wallace stood in the door and said that she, as a state resident, could not attend the University of Alabama, Vivian Malone, who I'm proud to say was my sister-in-law -- to compare that kind of courage, that kind of action, and to say that the Black Panther incident, wrong though it might be, somehow is greater in magnitude or is a greater concern to us, historically, I think just flies in the face of history and in the facts. [House Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies, 3/1/11]


cant say I disagree,, is a group of individuals standing outside and being intimidating (but never laying a hand on anyone) more blatant, than groups of people chasing down voting rights advocates and killing them or POLITIICANS sending armies to keep them from access to their rights?


yeah, I can see why that statement would be so 'racist' to some,,,,laugh

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Mon 07/21/14 02:34 PM

To those who think there is no problem with Eric Holder's obvious racism,
... Why do you think someone took all the trouble to draw all the political cartoons?



the same reason people draw political cartoons about any other issue,,, what is the relevance?

noone is denying that there are obviously people who disagree with or dislike or see conspiracies or racism or injustice and write or draw about it,,,,,,,


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Mon 07/21/14 07:02 PM
Here is an excerpt from a commentary by African-American columnist Deneen Borelli:

Desperate times call for desperate measures. As the crisis at the U.S. border rages on, Obama is beginning to lose support from some Democrats and black voters.

A few border state Democrats are speaking out against Obama over his refusal to visit the border to witness the gravity of the situation and black voters are increasingly frustrated with the president's performance and priorities.

Dissension in the liberal ranks would be extremely damaging for the Democrats in the upcoming election especially if black voter turnout is low.

In an attempt to rally the black voting base, Attorney General Eric Holder dealt the race card in an interview on ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." Holder talked about discrimination and "racial animus" directed at himself and President Obama, making them out to be the victims...



... Holder's race card antics are shameless and appalling because he is trying to play upon the emotions of black Americans to drive them to the polls. The sad truth is the black community is disproportionately suffering under President Obama's leadership and repealing voter ID laws will have no impact on the plight of black Americans.

As Holder knows, you need photo identification to enter the Department of Justice building.

Holder playing the race card during these trying times is a sign of sheer desperation.

msharmony's photo
Mon 07/21/14 08:03 PM
I should get a job as a columnist,, what credentials are required?

anyhow, here is my take on this persons opinions


1.Desperate times call for desperate measures.

-- a cliche saying that I believe to be generally true.

2. As the crisis at the U.S. border rages on, Obama is beginning to lose support from some Democrats and black voters.

--this is another common sense observation, since, at any given time, candidtes lose and gain support from voters who may have previously supported or opposed them.


3.A few border state Democrats are speaking out against Obama over his refusal to visit the border to witness the gravity of the situation and black voters are increasingly frustrated with the president's performance and priorities.

-- again, I have NO DOUBT that some individuals who are democrat have this complaint and probably many others about the president, as they have about every president,,,


4. Dissension in the liberal ranks would be extremely damaging for the Democrats in the upcoming election especially if black voter turnout is low.

-- again, just as true as dissention in conservative ranks would damage republicans

5. In an attempt to rally the black voting base, Attorney General Eric Holder dealt the race card in an interview on ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." Holder talked about discrimination and "racial animus" directed at himself and President Obama, making them out to be the victims...

-- ANOTHER CASE OF SITUATIONAL DEAFNESS, when in fact, the Atty Gnrl was 'attempting' to answer the interviewers question regarding discrimination and therefore not playing any 'card' and definitely not making out any victimhood since he went on to admit other problems which may cause people to be opposed to the administration

6.... Holder's race card antics are shameless and appalling because he is trying to play upon the emotions of black Americans to drive them to the polls. The sad truth is the black community is disproportionately suffering under President Obama's leadership and repealing voter ID laws will have no impact on the plight of black Americans.

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the ops false race card allegations are shameless and appalling because she MAY be(notice I dont proclaim to know her intention) trying to play upon the emotions of americans who refuse to see racism as an issue worthy of discussion(which seem to be quite a few) to drive them to the polls. The sad truth is the black community IS disproportionately suffering under EVERY past presidents leadership as well as this one and refusing to allow people to speak on their experience with racism will have regressive impact on the plight of Black Americans.

7.As Holder knows, you need photo identification to enter the Department of Justice building

-- so we are comparing entering a secured government building with exercising ones right to be represented and vote? interesting


8.Holder playing the race card during these trying times is a sign of sheer desperation


- - Conservatives repeatedly taking phrases from INTERVIEWS which answer direct questions and whining about a 'race card' during these trying times is a sign of sheer desperation

metalwing's photo
Mon 07/21/14 09:41 PM




Eric Holder "... my people ..." referring to the Black Panther voter situation.



another example of taking a tidbit and running with it,, turns out, for Holder, it actually did involve his 'people'

full quote

HOLDER: But, I mean, think about that. When you compare what people endured in the South in the '60s to try to get the right to vote for African-Americans, and to compare what people were subjected to there, to what happened in Philadelphia, which is inappropriate -- it's certainly that -- but to call that -- to put it -- you describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line, who risked all for my people, my wife's sister.

Anyway, the University of Alabama -- George Wallace stood in the door and said that she, as a state resident, could not attend the University of Alabama, Vivian Malone, who I'm proud to say was my sister-in-law -- to compare that kind of courage, that kind of action, and to say that the Black Panther incident, wrong though it might be, somehow is greater in magnitude or is a greater concern to us, historically, I think just flies in the face of history and in the facts. [House Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies, 3/1/11]


cant say I disagree,, is a group of individuals standing outside and being intimidating (but never laying a hand on anyone) more blatant, than groups of people chasing down voting rights advocates and killing them or POLITIICANS sending armies to keep them from access to their rights?


yeah, I can see why that statement would be so 'racist' to some,,,,laugh


Once again, you miss the point by a mile. It isn't what he SAID, it's what he did. He refused to prosecute black panthers who, wielding clubs, intimidated voters during an election and got caught on video.

He failed to prosecute them PURELY because they were black. That is what the cartoon is about. Not your BS.

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Mon 07/21/14 09:48 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 07/21/14 09:51 PM





Eric Holder "... my people ..." referring to the Black Panther voter situation.



another example of taking a tidbit and running with it,, turns out, for Holder, it actually did involve his 'people'

full quote

HOLDER: But, I mean, think about that. When you compare what people endured in the South in the '60s to try to get the right to vote for African-Americans, and to compare what people were subjected to there, to what happened in Philadelphia, which is inappropriate -- it's certainly that -- but to call that -- to put it -- you describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line, who risked all for my people, my wife's sister.

Anyway, the University of Alabama -- George Wallace stood in the door and said that she, as a state resident, could not attend the University of Alabama, Vivian Malone, who I'm proud to say was my sister-in-law -- to compare that kind of courage, that kind of action, and to say that the Black Panther incident, wrong though it might be, somehow is greater in magnitude or is a greater concern to us, historically, I think just flies in the face of history and in the facts. [House Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies, 3/1/11]


cant say I disagree,, is a group of individuals standing outside and being intimidating (but never laying a hand on anyone) more blatant, than groups of people chasing down voting rights advocates and killing them or POLITIICANS sending armies to keep them from access to their rights?


yeah, I can see why that statement would be so 'racist' to some,,,,laugh


Once again, you miss the point by a mile. It isn't what he SAID, it's what he did. He refused to prosecute black panthers who, wielding clubs, intimidated voters during an election and got caught on video.

He failed to prosecute them PURELY because they were black. That is what the cartoon is about. Not your BS.


me thinks thou proest too much

what was stated, SPECIFICALLY about the cartoon was
Eric Holder "... my people ..." referring to the Black Panther voter situation.


giving the FALSE impression that he was calling the panthers his people, when he was referring to how insane it was to compare that incident to the intimication blacks faced in the past including his actualy FAMILY (his people)



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