Topic: Rebuking Eric Holder
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sat 07/19/14 06:53 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 07/19/14 06:55 AM


It's a game of percentages. It's called "where there is smoke, there is fire!" In other words, if Democrats scream "racism", where racism does not exist, there is a percentage of the population that will believe it an vote Democratic.

That card is played here a lot. It gets very tiresome.


I think the FAARC card is much more overused and tiresom

Falsely
Accusing
About
Race
Cards


lol


It seems to me that in a position of power directing the "whole" of a diversely populated nation the mere mention of race to any extent is uncalled for, divisive..... or playing it

willing2's photo
Sat 07/19/14 07:15 AM
It would seem to me, not enforcing law, such as Immigration Law, would be illegal.

Who all in DC is guilty of refusing to enforce this example?

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/19/14 08:43 AM



It's a game of percentages. It's called "where there is smoke, there is fire!" In other words, if Democrats scream "racism", where racism does not exist, there is a percentage of the population that will believe it an vote Democratic.

That card is played here a lot. It gets very tiresome.


I think the FAARC card is much more overused and tiresom

Falsely
Accusing
About
Race
Cards


lol


It seems to me that in a position of power directing the "whole" of a diversely populated nation the mere mention of race to any extent is uncalled for, divisive..... or playing it



Im sure glad those who passed civil rights bills didnt agree,,,lol

ignoring race is the OPPOSITE of what a leader does, especially in a nation where race has played such a large part of its history and laws

its tantamount to never mentioning immigrants,, but we dont have something called an 'immigrant' card for some reason,,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/19/14 08:45 AM

It would seem to me, not enforcing law, such as Immigration Law, would be illegal.

Who all in DC is guilty of refusing to enforce this example?


seems maybe a thread on the topic of immigration law would be more relevant for such a point of view

this topic is regarding the 'race card', when someone is asked about race and ANSWERS using the topic of race,,,,laugh laugh

willing2's photo
Sat 07/19/14 10:26 AM


It would seem to me, not enforcing law, such as Immigration Law, would be illegal.

Who all in DC is guilty of refusing to enforce this example?


seems maybe a thread on the topic of immigration law would be more relevant for such a point of view

this topic is regarding the 'race card', when someone is asked about race and ANSWERS using the topic of race,,,,laugh laugh

Reading comp classes are cheap.

The body of the topic gives examples of lack of enforcing laws.

They pull the race card and are exempt from SERVING the people?

And, I suppose, demanding him to enforce laws that protect our security is racist.

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/19/14 10:31 AM



It would seem to me, not enforcing law, such as Immigration Law, would be illegal.

Who all in DC is guilty of refusing to enforce this example?


seems maybe a thread on the topic of immigration law would be more relevant for such a point of view

this topic is regarding the 'race card', when someone is asked about race and ANSWERS using the topic of race,,,,laugh laugh

Reading comp classes are cheap.

The body of the topic gives examples of lack of enforcing laws.

They pull the race card and are exempt from SERVING the people?

And, I suppose, demanding him to enforce laws that protect our security is racist.


laugh laugh

wth

opening statement,, from the op

In an open letter published by the Daily Beast, African-American author Ron Christie rebukes U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for wrongfully playing the race card.


'pulling a race card' is a ridiculous accusation about someone who answers someone ELSES quesiton about race

noone suggested that protecting security was racist


He said: "There's a certain racial component to this for some people. I don't think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some, there's a racial animus."

Let's review: He said "I don't think this is the thing that is a main driver," but it is as if when certain whites hear the word race (or a derivative) as the explanation for any part of an event, they go situationally deaf.


to recap, there are other reasons people have negative opinions

but for SOME (magic word), there is racial animus....

metalwing's photo
Sat 07/19/14 11:43 AM
What we have with both Eric Holder and Obama are top Federal officials who disobey the law and get away with it because they are black and confront anyone who questions anything they do wrong with being a "racist". No one wants to branded a "racist" so the tactic has worked well.

If they were not black they would have been axed long ago.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 07/19/14 12:41 PM

What we have with both Eric Holder and Obama are top Federal officials who disobey the law and get away with it because they are black and confront anyone who questions anything they do wrong with being a "racist". No one wants to branded a "racist" so the tactic has worked well.

If they were not black they would have been axed long ago.

Breathing "Sieved Air" even!
Freshly sieved!


msharmony's photo
Sat 07/19/14 12:49 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 07/19/14 12:51 PM

What we have with both Eric Holder and Obama are top Federal officials who disobey the law and get away with it because they are black and confront anyone who questions anything they do wrong with being a "racist". No one wants to branded a "racist" so the tactic has worked well.

If they were not black they would have been axed long ago.


neither holder nor obama have 'confronted' anyone questioning them with being a racist

they have, however, been ASKED about issues of race,, which indeed probably wouldnt happen if they were not black.

not being black didnt get Bush or Cheney or Reagan axed, so that is also a false perception.

metalwing's photo
Sat 07/19/14 01:04 PM


What we have with both Eric Holder and Obama are top Federal officials who disobey the law and get away with it because they are black and confront anyone who questions anything they do wrong with being a "racist". No one wants to branded a "racist" so the tactic has worked well.

If they were not black they would have been axed long ago.


neither holder nor obama have 'confronted' anyone questioning them with being a racist

they have, however, been ASKED about issues of race,, which indeed probably wouldnt happen if they were not black.

not being black didnt get Bush or Cheney or Reagan axed, so that is also a false perception.


The spin never stops ...

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/19/14 01:05 PM



What we have with both Eric Holder and Obama are top Federal officials who disobey the law and get away with it because they are black and confront anyone who questions anything they do wrong with being a "racist". No one wants to branded a "racist" so the tactic has worked well.

If they were not black they would have been axed long ago.


neither holder nor obama have 'confronted' anyone questioning them with being a racist

they have, however, been ASKED about issues of race,, which indeed probably wouldnt happen if they were not black.

not being black didnt get Bush or Cheney or Reagan axed, so that is also a false perception.


The spin never stops ...


I agree.

its comical the way people take something out of its context and 'spin' it into some controvers or 'card'

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 07/19/14 01:07 PM


What we have with both Eric Holder and Obama are top Federal officials who disobey the law and get away with it because they are black and confront anyone who questions anything they do wrong with being a "racist". No one wants to branded a "racist" so the tactic has worked well.

If they were not black they would have been axed long ago.


neither holder nor obama have 'confronted' anyone questioning them with being a racist

they have, however, been ASKED about issues of race,, which indeed probably wouldnt happen if they were not black.

not being black didnt get Bush or Cheney or Reagan axed, so that is also a false perception.

no need,their conditioned Followers howl Racist loud enough any time when their Dear Leader's Malfeasance is mentioned!laugh

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/19/14 01:09 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 07/19/14 01:13 PM



What we have with both Eric Holder and Obama are top Federal officials who disobey the law and get away with it because they are black and confront anyone who questions anything they do wrong with being a "racist". No one wants to branded a "racist" so the tactic has worked well.

If they were not black they would have been axed long ago.


neither holder nor obama have 'confronted' anyone questioning them with being a racist

they have, however, been ASKED about issues of race,, which indeed probably wouldnt happen if they were not black.

not being black didnt get Bush or Cheney or Reagan axed, so that is also a false perception.

no need,their conditioned Followers howl Racist loud enough any time when their Dear Leader's Malfeasance is mentioned!laugh


except the article isnt about a 'follower' and the post above stated specifically 'what we have with both HODLER and OBAMA ,,'

its a false statement,



Conrad_73's photo
Sat 07/19/14 02:28 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/14/eric-holder-investigates-obama-outhouse-parade-float/

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 07/19/14 04:29 PM
In this discussion thread, I have cited African-Americans who say that the race card is real and has been played by certain Democrats. So, why shouldn't I believe them.

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/19/14 04:34 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 07/19/14 04:38 PM

In this discussion thread, I have cited African-Americans who say that the race card is real and has been played by certain Democrats. So, why shouldn't I believe them.


the 'race card' is real by its definition of calling someone racist to get away with something,,,,(though we mysteriously dont have a 'body image card' to describe calling someone shallow to get away with something or a 'gender card' to describe calling someone sexist or chauvanist to get away with something, or any number of demographics BESIDES race,,)

just as uncle tom is real, by its definition of soeone who betrays their own oppressed group to gain favor with the oppressors,,

lots of derogatory references have definitions that describe REAL things and people


that is not the issue

the OVERUSE and MISAPPLICATION of the term to quiet people from voicing their experiences or concerns is more the issue

believe that 'some' people do 'some' of everything, that is a given

just like SOME people have racial animous towards blacks, INCLUDING blacks who are elected officials like the Potus or blacks like Holder,,,

metalwing's photo
Sun 07/20/14 04:45 AM
Edited by metalwing on Sun 07/20/14 04:47 AM


In this discussion thread, I have cited African-Americans who say that the race card is real and has been played by certain Democrats. So, why shouldn't I believe them.


the 'race card' is real by its definition of calling someone racist to get away with something,,,,(though we mysteriously dont have a 'body image card' to describe calling someone shallow to get away with something or a 'gender card' to describe calling someone sexist or chauvanist to get away with something, or any number of demographics BESIDES race,,)

just as uncle tom is real, by its definition of soeone who betrays their own oppressed group to gain favor with the oppressors,,

lots of derogatory references have definitions that describe REAL things and people


that is not the issue

the OVERUSE and MISAPPLICATION of the term to quiet people from voicing their experiences or concerns is more the issue

believe that 'some' people do 'some' of everything, that is a given

just like SOME people have racial animous towards blacks, INCLUDING blacks who are elected officials like the Potus or blacks like Holder,,,


Although you are notorious for the using the "straw man" argument to it's infinite limits, you certainly have gone overboard.

Is it even possible for you to discuss the failures of your heroes without bringing anyone else into it?

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/20/14 07:18 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 07/20/14 07:22 AM



In this discussion thread, I have cited African-Americans who say that the race card is real and has been played by certain Democrats. So, why shouldn't I believe them.


the 'race card' is real by its definition of calling someone racist to get away with something,,,,(though we mysteriously dont have a 'body image card' to describe calling someone shallow to get away with something or a 'gender card' to describe calling someone sexist or chauvanist to get away with something, or any number of demographics BESIDES race,,)

just as uncle tom is real, by its definition of soeone who betrays their own oppressed group to gain favor with the oppressors,,

lots of derogatory references have definitions that describe REAL things and people


that is not the issue

the OVERUSE and MISAPPLICATION of the term to quiet people from voicing their experiences or concerns is more the issue

believe that 'some' people do 'some' of everything, that is a given

just like SOME people have racial animous towards blacks, INCLUDING blacks who are elected officials like the Potus or blacks like Holder,,,


Although you are notorious for the using the "straw man" argument to it's infinite limits, you certainly have gone overboard.

Is it even possible for you to discuss the failures of your heroes without bringing anyone else into it?

sigh

straw man :The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.


so, whose position did I misrepresent or exaggerate

lets review, the THREAD IS CALLED, REBUKING ERIC HOLDER

the opening position is : In an open letter published by the Daily Beast, African-American author Ron Christie rebukes U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for wrongfully playing the race card.


the position EACH OF MY POSTS addresses,


and, oddly, the topic that only SOJOURN has bothered to address or state an actual position about

and here is the situational deafness again,,, note how OTHERS have introduced other issues and people without rebuke , but simply RESPONDING DIRECTLY to the points THEY bring up makes ME guilty of some straw man,,,,,,



very interesting indeed,,,,




Dodo_David's photo
Sun 07/20/14 10:02 AM
I can't prevent people from trying to keep the Democratic Party on a pedestal, but it is amusing to watch them try. laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 07/20/14 10:03 AM

I can't prevent people from trying to keep the Democratic Party on a pedestal, but it is amusing to watch them try. laugh

similar to watching someone trying to nail "JELLO" to a Tree!:laughing: