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Topic: Third-worlder Dorian Johnson. Thug Brown did attack Cop.
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Sat 08/23/14 06:57 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/23/14 06:58 AM
so disobedience and any type of aggression justify death

I understand, I will not continue to argue with those who believe such a philosophy,,, no point in it really,,,


and fleeing doesn't exclude turning back around at some point, especially after bullets have flown , if one has decided to stop running.

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Mon 08/25/14 03:46 PM
Do you know how much it costs to feed, house and medical for an inmate? Do you also realize that for that strong armed robbery he could have been looking at 15 years in prison?


I know you are responding to other people's poor arguments about the cost impact, but I don't like how you and Ms Harmony are even debating the details as if it matters to this topic.

Saving the taxpayers money is NEVER a justification for a cop to shoot a civilian... ever.


When Brown punched the cop in the face, that's when he threw his life away. And if he went for the gun, as is claimed, then double so.

I guarantee when the Officer approached him he was thinking "Oh $hit, they found me and I have the stolen evidence on me" and fight or flight kicked in knowing that if he knocked the officer out and got away, there would be a good chance he would never be caught.


Yes. All this talk about whether it makes SENSE for this aggressive, violent person to rush at the cop is irrelevant. Even peaceful people often do senseless things when fight/flight chemicals are coursing through their bodies. And this guy is known to be aggressive.

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Mon 08/25/14 03:53 PM
aggressive is not deadly

this guy is not 'known' for anything besides having pushed aside a clerk trying to detain him from leaving (no orbital socket injury/vicious harmful injurious attack there)


and now ALLEGED to have fought with a cop trying to arrest him, likely that he resisted arrest like he resisted detainment by the clerk trying to lock him in

but that's a far cry from him having RUSHED At someone he was JUST trying to put distance from, especially after they have started SHOOTING A GUN at him,,,

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Mon 08/25/14 11:31 PM







A local Saint Louis radio station is reporting that Dorian Johnson has recanted his prior media espousals and now asserts that he and Mike Brown did indeed engage in a physical confrontation with Officer Darren Wilson. As a consequence the same Radio Station is asserting the local prosecutor essentially advises it’s doubtful charges would be filed.

While this report is difficult to vet it does align with recently leaked information about Officer Wilson sustaining significant injury as a result of a felonious assault by Mike Brown during the initial encounter. Additionally we know the Grand Jury is scheduled for tomorrow. We also just found out the Missouri AG is on site tonight and tomorrow.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/comment-page-2/


OMG! You mean all that rioting was for nothing? Well, cept, de did get to steal some good stuff, dat was worf it.laugh



missing the point, even if there is resisting arrest, once the suspects are unarmed and FLEEING,,,,the situation has changed and the reaction should too

in other words, a fleeing unarmed suspect has no reason to be SHOT DOWN in the streets,,,,


he has shown an om going violent lifestyle

him being shot may have saved many lives

and

saved a lot of court time and money

if you dont want to get shot dont attack people



what he showed was AGGRESSIVE demeanor by pushing and later possibly punching someone who tried to STOP him

him being shot may have not saved any life at all, certainly not his

and is certainly not going to save court time or money over him having been arrested and arraigned for the robbery


lets see how much 'savings' will happen now since that option was not utilized,,,,:wink:


Do you know how much it costs to feed, house and medical for an inmate? Do you also realize that for that strong armed robbery he could have been looking at 15 years in prison?

I guarantee when the Officer approached him he was thinking "Oh $hit, they found me and I have the stolen evidence on me" and fight or flight kicked in knowing that if he knocked the officer out and got away, there would be a good chance he would never be caught.

Oh BTW, all's the law states is you have to be in fear for your immediate safety of life or extreme bodily harm or the safety of others and you can use deadly force (doesn't mean they have to have a weapon, in fact I know many people who don't need a weapon to beat someone to death). By your own words he was aggressive. Now your just running in circles and the only reason your coming right to this thugs aid is skin color. Period.


Do YOU know how much it costs? IN the most expensive state , California, according to my research(have you bothered to do any?) the cost is about 50000 per year

do you know how much all the military, and equipment and property damage and court costs are going to come to? much more than 50 g I guarantee.

the reason I come to this foolish boys defense is because an UNARMED person in retreat should not be SHOT DOWN, especially by those TRAINED and PAID to protect and serve

I made the same argument about the two WHITE robbers who ran from the house of that old WHITE Man and were gunned down

so that 'its just cause of his race' stuff can just stop,,,,




Ummmmm, he would be looking at far more then one year of prison. Strong arm Robbery carries up to 15 years in Nevada, and up to at least 10 in most states. Do the math. Then figure in future crimes and jail time.

Not to mention I guarantee this was not the first time he committed a theft. He was way to calm and composed. That is not the demeanor of a first time booster. Also first time boosters almost never put up a fight, and own up to it because they are too scared. This is someone that the video shows is completely confident committing a theft and violence. Confident enough to turn around and enter the store again to try and intimidate the little old man store clerk.

I have dealt with this for many years. I know the actions of a first time booster, a regular booster and a professional.

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Mon 08/25/14 11:31 PM




A local Saint Louis radio station is reporting that Dorian Johnson has recanted his prior media espousals and now asserts that he and Mike Brown did indeed engage in a physical confrontation with Officer Darren Wilson. As a consequence the same Radio Station is asserting the local prosecutor essentially advises it’s doubtful charges would be filed.

While this report is difficult to vet it does align with recently leaked information about Officer Wilson sustaining significant injury as a result of a felonious assault by Mike Brown during the initial encounter. Additionally we know the Grand Jury is scheduled for tomorrow. We also just found out the Missouri AG is on site tonight and tomorrow.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/comment-page-2/


OMG! You mean all that rioting was for nothing? Well, cept, de did get to steal some good stuff, dat was worf it.laugh



missing the point, even if there is resisting arrest, once the suspects are unarmed and FLEEING,,,,the situation has changed and the reaction should too

in other words, a fleeing unarmed suspect has no reason to be SHOT DOWN in the streets,,,,


he has shown an om going violent lifestyle

him being shot may have saved many lives

and

saved a lot of court time and money

if you dont want to get shot dont attack people


Or Rob them.

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Mon 08/25/14 11:35 PM







A local Saint Louis radio station is reporting that Dorian Johnson has recanted his prior media espousals and now asserts that he and Mike Brown did indeed engage in a physical confrontation with Officer Darren Wilson. As a consequence the same Radio Station is asserting the local prosecutor essentially advises it’s doubtful charges would be filed.

While this report is difficult to vet it does align with recently leaked information about Officer Wilson sustaining significant injury as a result of a felonious assault by Mike Brown during the initial encounter. Additionally we know the Grand Jury is scheduled for tomorrow. We also just found out the Missouri AG is on site tonight and tomorrow.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/breaking-report-dorian-johnson-recants-media-statement-tells-authorities-big-mike-did-try-for-officers-gun-acquittal-probable/comment-page-2/


OMG! You mean all that rioting was for nothing? Well, cept, de did get to steal some good stuff, dat was worf it.laugh



missing the point, even if there is resisting arrest, once the suspects are unarmed and FLEEING,,,,the situation has changed and the reaction should too

in other words, a fleeing unarmed suspect has no reason to be SHOT DOWN in the streets,,,,


We don't know he was fleeing. We do know he was a violent person. FACT. We do know he brutally attacked a cop. FACT. We do know the autopsy shows that Brown was about a foot away from the gun. FACT. That hardly makes a fleeing suspect.



wow, you are really reaching,,lol

struggle, 'attack', in the vehicle,, yes, by all accounts, that happened


some say it was through the window, others say it was inside the car, some say it started with the officer grabbing the suspect, some say it started with the suspect blindsiding the officer,, ALL of those details are still in dispute,, but that the initial struggle AT the car happened is a FACT


the autopsy shows that Brown was shot by NO LESS than a foot away,,lol,,,not that he was a foot away,,,

all accounts also state he was FLEEING,,,

some claim that at some point he just changed his mind and turned and 'charged'


some state that when the bullets flew he was tagged and turned to give up





I'm reaching?!? You just admitted that he was in the cops vehicle. Right there is red flag number one. If you go anywhere near a cops gun you are going to get shot. If the cops is sitting in a patrol car and a big 6+ foot tall guy reaches into the cops car to attack him that's a problem and a potentially life threatening situation being the cop had his sidearm within reach of the suspect, his shotgun within reach of the suspect and his backup weapon in reach of the suspect all while getting a beating and you say I am reaching.




No, I did not. I said a confrontation happened AT The vehicle. Some witnesses state it happened THROUGH THE CAR WINDOW, and others claim there was a struggle INSIDE The car,, those DETAILS ARE IN DISPUTE ( I didn't witness it) but ALL witnesses who did, even if they disagree on the details, agree that there was an initial confrontation AT or IN the car.

IF a guy reaches into a cops car or struggles with a cop outside the car, an expectation of being shot is a REASONABLE expectation during that struggle

however, once THAT STRUGGLE Has ended, and the guy FLEES, there is no REASONABLE expectation to fill him full of bullets




The autopsy proves he didn't flee. All bullet entries were from the front not the back. If he was fleeing it would be from the back.

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Tue 08/26/14 12:26 AM
if he wasn't fleeing, he would still be NEXT to the vehicle where the confrontation began and ended

he didn't have to continue running away once the bullets flew,,, merely turning would have caused the shots in the FRONT,,,

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Tue 08/26/14 07:09 AM
Create the MYTH and it will become they will follow, spin, spin spin.

rofl

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/26/14 08:55 AM
we agree

problem is, how to determine which is 'myth; and which is reality,, when so many stories come out and people on both sides change their stories,,,



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