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Topic: Body Cams
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 09/01/14 10:13 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-police-now-wearing-cameras-much-might-help-135555285.html?bcmt=1409587993654-de503f35-d86c-423e-9794-e699c8dc4d34 I think body cams has a potentially large market if citizens can also start having access to their wear,, and if there can be sites and servers dedicated to collecting and saving the live streams, and broadcasting them across the net. hard to intimidate a world full of 'witnesses' and hard to manipulate ALL of their saved recordings too,,,

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Mon 09/01/14 03:43 PM
Maybe they will show the police doing their jobs the best they can, in a war zone.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 09/01/14 10:07 PM
or just give a balance which exposes the dirty cops as well as the 'thug' citizens

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Tue 09/02/14 06:59 AM
or just give a balance which exposes the dirty cops as well as the 'thug' citizens There were plenty of "thug" citizens rioting, stealing and looting. Cameras didn't stop them. No balance there.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 09/02/14 07:01 AM
there weren't cameras there,, that's the point,,lol if citizens and cops were wearing cameras, or if its known that they are likely to be wearing them,, people will be more cautious of how they behave,,, whether they are wearing a badge or not,,,,

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 09/02/14 07:30 AM
there weren't cameras there,, that's the point,,lol if citizens and cops were wearing cameras, or if its known that they are likely to be wearing them,, people will be more cautious of how they behave,,, whether they are wearing a badge or not,,,, No cameras there? At times, there were so many reporters, you couldn't tell the reporters from the rioters. There were too many cameras to count. I saw a man walking and a reporter was walking backwards in front of him with a camera in the man's face. The media was making the work harder for the police.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 09/02/14 07:37 AM
there weren't cameras there,, that's the point,,lol if citizens and cops were wearing cameras, or if its known that they are likely to be wearing them,, people will be more cautious of how they behave,,, whether they are wearing a badge or not,,,, No cameras there? At times, there were so many reporters, you couldn't tell the reporters from the rioters. There were too many cameras to count. I saw a man walking and a reporter was walking backwards in front of him with a camera in the man's face. The media was making the work harder for the police. Im not talking about the big bulky cameras that cant get too close to the action without fear of damage to EXPNSIVE equipment Im talking about the cameras that fit on a cap or an item of clothing, that can get just as close as any other person can,,,, and dozens of them , in that type of close up situation, from so many different angles,, gives a much CLEARER view of who is doing what

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Tue 09/02/14 08:04 AM Edited by alleoops on Tue 09/02/14 08:10 AM
Many, if not all of the stores and businesses that were looted had surveillance cameras. Thieves can be identified from them as many were. I don't think that thieves and looters will wear body cams.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 09/02/14 08:18 AM
Many, if not all of the stores and businesses that were looted had surveillance cameras. Thieves can be identified from them as many were. I don't think that thieves and looters will wear body cams. lol, I don't think most here are getting the point. people will wear them,, while they are doing their own business whether they happen to be caught in an environment with looters, or whether they happen to be caught in an environment where police are conducting their business,,, the crook(in or out of a badge) wont wear a camera to record their behavior, but that doesn't mean all the 'innocent' people around them wont have them on,,,,

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Tue 09/02/14 08:28 AM
If there were no crime, there would be no need for body cams or as many police.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 09/02/14 09:22 AM
if there were no crime, there would be no need for a lot of things including police or weapons,,etc,, but, since humans do 'criminal' things, we do need precautions to avoid and to prosecute,,,

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Tue 09/02/14 12:47 PM
We still need police for things other than crime. As long as we have some areas being "high crime areas", there will always be a need for more police in those areas.

Mortman Joined Tue 05/01/12 Posts: 1383	Tue 09/02/14 01:25 PM
We still need police for things other than crime. As long as we have some areas being "high crime areas", there will always be a need for more police in those areas. No. Police can do other things beside fighting crime or protecting the public from it, but in Msharmony's fantasyland world without crime, we could simply have other people perform those duties. However, her point was clearly that body cameras add evidence and the presence of those remind the officer that they need to behave better, and when interacting with civilians, those civilians seeing those cameras will know they cannot get away with false accusations.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 09/02/14 02:52 PM
I think someone understood,,,ty Mort

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48913	Tue 09/02/14 02:52 PM
However, her point was clearly that body cameras add evidence and the presence of those remind the officer that they need to behave better, and when interacting with civilians, those civilians seeing those cameras will know they cannot get away with false accusations.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 09/02/14 02:55 PM
Plenty HDDs will crash,not being backed up etc! Mark my word! Gonna be IRS on Steroids!

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Tue 09/02/14 06:01 PM
We still need police for things other than crime. As long as we have some areas being "high crime areas", there will always be a need for more police in those areas. No. Police can do other things beside fighting crime or protecting the public from it, but in Msharmony's fantasyland world without crime, we could simply have other people perform those duties. However, her point was clearly that body cameras add evidence and the presence of those remind the officer that they need to behave better, and when interacting with civilians, those civilians seeing those cameras will know they cannot get away with false accusations. Thank you for clarifying that Mortimer. I'm sure if Officer Wilson had been wearing a bodycam, Brown would have not beaten him and caused his own death. If there is more rioting the police should wear bodycams and they would stop looting and stealing.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48913	Tue 09/02/14 06:09 PM
I'm sure if Officer Wilson had been wearing a bodycam, Brown would have not beaten him and caused his own death. Not necessarily. Brown didn't seem to care that his act of strong-arm robbery was caught on camera.

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Tue 09/02/14 06:15 PM
I'm sure if Officer Wilson had been wearing a bodycam, Brown would have not beaten him and caused his own death. Not necessarily. Brown didn't seem to care that his act of strong-arm robbery was caught on camera. Yes, but that wasn't a "bodycam". That, would have stopped him.

mysticalview21 Joined Sat 06/28/14 Posts: 5462	Tue 09/02/14 06:46 PM Edited by mysticalview21 on Tue 09/02/14 06:46 PM
I heard and saw that...an they where donated ...I think its a good idea if they make sure they have them on... when trying to kill someone ... or in riots ... but it will work both ways to ...others non police ....may have them on them ...