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6 reasons why religion does more harm than good

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This article originally appeared on AlterNet.

AlterNetMost British people think religion causes more harm than good according to a survey commissioned by the Huffington Post. Surprisingly, even among those who describe themselves as “very religious” 20 percent say that religion is harmful to society. For that we can probably thank the internet, which broadcasts everything from Isis beheadings, to stories about Catholic hospitals denying care to miscarrying women, to lists ofwild and weird religious beliefs, to articles about psychological harms from Bible-believing Christianity.


In 2010, sociologist Phil Zuckerman published Society Without God: What the Least Religious Nations Can Tell Us About Contentment. Zuckerman lined up evidence that the least religious societies also tend to be the most peaceful, prosperous and equitable, with public policies that help people to flourish while decreasing both desperation and economic gluttony.

We can debate whether prosperity and peace lead people to be less religious or vice versa. Indeed evidence supports the view that religion thrives on existential anxiety. But even if this is the case, there’s good reason to suspect that the connection between religion and malfunctioning societies goes both ways. Here are six ways religions make peaceful prosperity harder to achieve.

1. Religion promotes tribalism. Infidel, heathen, heretic. Religion divides insiders from outsiders. Rather than assuming good intentions, adherents often are taught to treat outsiders with suspicion. “Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers,” says the Christian Bible. “They wish that you disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them,” says the Koran (Sura 4:91).

At best, teachings like these discourage or even forbid the kinds of friendship and intermarriage that help clans and tribes become part of a larger whole. At worst, outsiders are seen as enemies of God and goodness, potential agents of Satan, lacking in morality and not to be trusted. Believers might huddle together, anticipating martyrdom. When simmering tensions erupt, societies fracture along sectarian fault lines.

2. Religion anchors believers to the Iron Age. Concubines, magical incantations, chosen people, stonings . . . The Iron Age was a time of rampant superstition, ignorance, inequality, racism, misogyny, and violence. Slavery had God’s sanction. Women and children were literally possessions of men. Warlords practiced scorched earth warfare. Desperate people sacrificed animals, agricultural products, and enemy soldiers as burnt offerings intended to appease dangerous gods.

Sacred texts including the Bible, Torah and Koran all preserve and protect fragments of Iron Age culture, putting a god’s name and endorsement on some of the very worst human impulses. Any believer looking to excuse his own temper, sense of superiority, warmongering, bigotry, or planetary destruction can find validation in writings that claim to be authored by God.

Today, humanity’s moral consciousness is evolving, grounded in an ever deeper and broader understanding of the Golden Rule. But many conservative believers can’t move forward. They are anchored to the Iron Age. This pits them against change in a never-ending battle that consumes public energy and slows creative problem solving.

3. Religion makes a virtue out of faith. Trust and obey for there’s no other way to be happy in Jesus. So sing children in Sunday schools across America. The Lord works in mysterious ways, pastors tell believers who have been shaken by horrors like brain cancer or a tsunami. Faith is a virtue.

As science eats away at territory once held by religion, traditional religious beliefs require greater and greater mental defenses against threatening information. To stay strong, religion trains believers to practice self-deception, shut out contradictory evidence, and trust authorities rather than their own capacity to think. This approach seeps into other parts of life. Government, in particular, becomes a fight between competing ideologies rather than a quest to figure out practical, evidence-based solutions that promote wellbeing.

4. Religion diverts generous impulses and good intentions. Feeling sad about Haiti? Give to our mega-church. Crass financial appeals during times of crisis thankfully are not the norm, but religion does routinely redirect generosity in order to perpetuate religion itself. Generous people are encouraged to give till it hurts to promote the church itself rather than the general welfare. Each year, thousands of missionaries throw themselves into the hard work of saving souls rather than saving lives or saving our planetary life support system. Their work, tax free, gobbles up financial and human capital.

Besides exploiting positive moral energy like kindness or generosity, religion often redirects moral disgust and indignation, attaching these emotions to arbitrary religious rules rather than questions of real harm. Orthodox Jews spend money on wigs for women and double dishwashers. Evangelical parents, forced to choose between righteousness and love, kick queer teens out onto the street. Catholic bishops impose righteous rules on operating rooms.

5. Religion teaches helplessness. Que sera, sera—what will be will be. Let go and let God.We’ve all heard these phrases, but sometimes we don’t recognize the deep relationship between religiosity and resignation. In the most conservative sects of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, women are seen as more virtuous if they let God manage their family planning. Droughts, poverty and cancer get attributed to the will of God rather than bad decisions or bad systems; believers wait for God to solve problems they could solve themselves.

This attitude harms society at large as well as individuals. When today’s largest religions came into existence, ordinary people had little power to change social structures either through technological innovation or advocacy. Living well and doing good were largely personal matters. When this mentality persists, religion inspires personal piety without social responsibility. Structural problems can be ignored as long as the believer is kind to friends and family and generous to the tribal community of believers.

6. Religions seek power. Think corporate personhood. Religions are man-made institutions, just like for-profit corporations are. And like any corporation, to survive and grow a religion must find a way to build power and wealth and compete for market share. Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity—any large enduring religious institution is as expert at this as Coca-cola or Chevron. And just like for-profit behemoths, they are willing to wield their power and wealth in the service of self-perpetuation, even it harms society at large.

In fact, unbeknown to religious practitioners, harming society may actually be part of religion’s survival strategy. In the words of sociologist Phil Zuckerman and researcher Gregory Paul, “Not a single advanced democracy that enjoys benign, progressive socio-economic conditions retains a high level of popular religiosity.” When people feel prosperous and secure the hold of religion weakens.

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6 reasons why religion does more harm than good

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Valerie Tarico, Alternet
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6 reasons why religion does more harm than good
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This article originally appeared on AlterNet.

AlterNetMost British people think religion causes more harm than good according to a survey commissioned by the Huffington Post. Surprisingly, even among those who describe themselves as “very religious” 20 percent say that religion is harmful to society. For that we can probably thank the internet, which broadcasts everything from Isis beheadings, to stories about Catholic hospitals denying care to miscarrying women, to lists ofwild and weird religious beliefs, to articles about psychological harms from Bible-believing Christianity.


In 2010, sociologist Phil Zuckerman published Society Without God: What the Least Religious Nations Can Tell Us About Contentment. Zuckerman lined up evidence that the least religious societies also tend to be the most peaceful, prosperous and equitable, with public policies that help people to flourish while decreasing both desperation and economic gluttony.

We can debate whether prosperity and peace lead people to be less religious or vice versa. Indeed evidence supports the view that religion thrives on existential anxiety. But even if this is the case, there’s good reason to suspect that the connection between religion and malfunctioning societies goes both ways. Here are six ways religions make peaceful prosperity harder to achieve.

1. Religion promotes tribalism. Infidel, heathen, heretic. Religion divides insiders from outsiders. Rather than assuming good intentions, adherents often are taught to treat outsiders with suspicion. “Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers,” says the Christian Bible. “They wish that you disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them,” says the Koran (Sura 4:91).

At best, teachings like these discourage or even forbid the kinds of friendship and intermarriage that help clans and tribes become part of a larger whole. At worst, outsiders are seen as enemies of God and goodness, potential agents of Satan, lacking in morality and not to be trusted. Believers might huddle together, anticipating martyrdom. When simmering tensions erupt, societies fracture along sectarian fault lines.

2. Religion anchors believers to the Iron Age. Concubines, magical incantations, chosen people, stonings . . . The Iron Age was a time of rampant superstition, ignorance, inequality, racism, misogyny, and violence. Slavery had God’s sanction. Women and children were literally possessions of men. Warlords practiced scorched earth warfare. Desperate people sacrificed animals, agricultural products, and enemy soldiers as burnt offerings intended to appease dangerous gods.

Sacred texts including the Bible, Torah and Koran all preserve and protect fragments of Iron Age culture, putting a god’s name and endorsement on some of the very worst human impulses. Any believer looking to excuse his own temper, sense of superiority, warmongering, bigotry, or planetary destruction can find validation in writings that claim to be authored by God.

Today, humanity’s moral consciousness is evolving, grounded in an ever deeper and broader understanding of the Golden Rule. But many conservative believers can’t move forward. They are anchored to the Iron Age. This pits them against change in a never-ending battle that consumes public energy and slows creative problem solving.

3. Religion makes a virtue out of faith. Trust and obey for there’s no other way to be happy in Jesus. So sing children in Sunday schools across America. The Lord works in mysterious ways, pastors tell believers who have been shaken by horrors like brain cancer or a tsunami. Faith is a virtue.

As science eats away at territory once held by religion, traditional religious beliefs require greater and greater mental defenses against threatening information. To stay strong, religion trains believers to practice self-deception, shut out contradictory evidence, and trust authorities rather than their own capacity to think. This approach seeps into other parts of life. Government, in particular, becomes a fight between competing ideologies rather than a quest to figure out practical, evidence-based solutions that promote wellbeing.

4. Religion diverts generous impulses and good intentions. Feeling sad about Haiti? Give to our mega-church. Crass financial appeals during times of crisis thankfully are not the norm, but religion does routinely redirect generosity in order to perpetuate religion itself. Generous people are encouraged to give till it hurts to promote the church itself rather than the general welfare. Each year, thousands of missionaries throw themselves into the hard work of saving souls rather than saving lives or saving our planetary life support system. Their work, tax free, gobbles up financial and human capital.

Besides exploiting positive moral energy like kindness or generosity, religion often redirects moral disgust and indignation, attaching these emotions to arbitrary religious rules rather than questions of real harm. Orthodox Jews spend money on wigs for women and double dishwashers. Evangelical parents, forced to choose between righteousness and love, kick queer teens out onto the street. Catholic bishops impose righteous rules on operating rooms.

5. Religion teaches helplessness. Que sera, sera—what will be will be. Let go and let God.We’ve all heard these phrases, but sometimes we don’t recognize the deep relationship between religiosity and resignation. In the most conservative sects of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, women are seen as more virtuous if they let God manage their family planning. Droughts, poverty and cancer get attributed to the will of God rather than bad decisions or bad systems; believers wait for God to solve problems they could solve themselves.

This attitude harms society at large as well as individuals. When today’s largest religions came into existence, ordinary people had little power to change social structures either through technological innovation or advocacy. Living well and doing good were largely personal matters. When this mentality persists, religion inspires personal piety without social responsibility. Structural problems can be ignored as long as the believer is kind to friends and family and generous to the tribal community of believers.

6. Religions seek power. Think corporate personhood. Religions are man-made institutions, just like for-profit corporations are. And like any corporation, to survive and grow a religion must find a way to build power and wealth and compete for market share. Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity—any large enduring religious institution is as expert at this as Coca-cola or Chevron. And just like for-profit behemoths, they are willing to wield their power and wealth in the service of self-perpetuation, even it harms society at large.

In fact, unbeknown to religious practitioners, harming society may actually be part of religion’s survival strategy. In the words of sociologist Phil Zuckerman and researcher Gregory Paul, “Not a single advanced democracy that enjoys benign, progressive socio-economic conditions retains a high level of popular religiosity.” When people feel prosperous and secure the hold of religion weakens.




1. Religion promotes tribalism. Infidel, heathen, heretic. Religion divides insiders from outsiders. Rather than assuming good intentions, adherents often are taught to treat outsiders with suspicion. “Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers,” says the Christian Bible. “They wish that you disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them,” says the Koran (Sura 4:91).


Context my friend, context. This specific verse, is referring to relationships in general eg., man/woman. God NEVER says to turn away from a sinner, nor treat them any differently then any other person. As a matter of fact he tells us ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ALL. Not some, not non-believers, ect, ALL. And also you can not mix the bible and the quaran when referring to something it says especially instruction wise, they are two different writings two different things.

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Thu 11/20/14 11:10 AM
oh goodie googie goodie, another "religious thread"!

ye hah!

damn those are some of the most interesting...

just so many damn cut and paste of others peoples quotes.


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Thu 11/20/14 11:45 AM

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Thu 11/20/14 12:14 PM
smiles

can you believe what quacks can turn data into!

holy crapolia!

the bible declares only those who perpetrate acts upon another without their mutual consent are heathens...

shocked

that defines most of the civilized world as none heathens.

where did one need to crawl to find those definitions of data!

from the underbelly of the lunatic fringe...

those damn extremists...

poor poor sad beings.

all sins listed are said not to exist, to any who "sea" through "gods" eyes, as god eye's do not sea sin nor can sea sin...

and if they do...

they are actually called the "devils" eyes...

pitchfork

the followeres of "lucifer"...

pitchfork

who see not through "god eye's", so see sins, so make them self as false gods, equal to god, deducing and judging others to be sinning...

naughty naughty naughty!

flowers

the bible is a defender of equality for all, in all cases.

as it was writ, what be sin for one man be not sin for another...

which makes no sin definable by any "man", or human...

those thugs who define other wise are just despicably blasphemous...

rant

it expressly say's the book is NOT TO BE USED AS A GUIDE OF PERSONAL HUMAN CONDUCT, or the meanings can cause grave mental harm unto others.

drool

yeppers...

for all things were said to be righteous if determined by equal mutual consent, which was the sign of the righteous...

that also makes most of the civilized world "righteous"...

bigsmile

as of course primitives with spears did have a tendency to spear each other to death over just meals and all, before they got to learn much here, so kinda defeating the purpose of being sent here n all...

so the geico dudes needed a few xtra fear factors to keep em in line, back in the old days of the old testaments and all...

but that was for folks who needed a helping hand back then to become more civilized...

and they put that shitz in there for how to live in current days!

yawn

that could make people require a brain surgeon to cut out that kinda false data propaganda...

sad

but hey...

hate quacks whom love to harm will turn any data into duck quack hater definitions, and then post these materials, from the gazillions of gazillions of words written by humankind in book form, as their guide?

one can indeed find a gazillions definitions by millions of voices as to the meanings..

so the definitions self picks simply determine who self be.

slaphead

as all definitions define the definer.

having nothing to do with who a hearer of data is.

waving

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Thu 11/20/14 12:29 PM
note...

GOD DAMN agree with OP on such definitions cause more harm than good!

indeed, they cause MOST ALL HARMS TO HUMANKIND!

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Fri 11/21/14 11:36 AM
Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Fri 11/21/14 11:39 AM



1. Religion promotes tribalism. Infidel, heathen, heretic. Religion divides insiders from outsiders. Rather than assuming good intentions, adherents often are taught to treat outsiders with suspicion. “Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers,” says the Christian Bible. “They wish that you disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them,” says the Koran (Sura 4:91).


Context my friend, context. This specific verse, is referring to relationships in general eg., man/woman. God NEVER says to turn away from a sinner, nor treat them any differently then any other person. As a matter of fact he tells us ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ALL. Not some, not non-believers, ect, ALL. And also you can not mix the bible and the quaran when referring to something it says especially instruction wise, they are two different writings two different things.


To the contrary, these versus are not just to a general man/woman relationship but in fact are both relative to each other. There are hundreds of verses in both the Bible and the Quran that are pertinent to each other, without any cause for contradiction.

The only context to caution is for people who are contemptible in 'why' they want a relationship with you in the first place. So, it doesn't matter if it is a neighboring nation or your one of Sampson's disloyal wives... One must exercise caution with people who are contemptible in their intentions. If I'm to assume somebody may need to be forgiven 7x70 times daily, I must also assume this person isn't just trying to abuse our relationship.

As for 'tribalism'... This is little more than a closely inbreed society. (A National Group That Has Promoted Marriage Between First Cousins)

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Fri 11/21/14 01:17 PM




1. Religion promotes tribalism. Infidel, heathen, heretic. Religion divides insiders from outsiders. Rather than assuming good intentions, adherents often are taught to treat outsiders with suspicion. “Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers,” says the Christian Bible. “They wish that you disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them,” says the Koran (Sura 4:91).


Context my friend, context. This specific verse, is referring to relationships in general eg., man/woman. God NEVER says to turn away from a sinner, nor treat them any differently then any other person. As a matter of fact he tells us ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, ALL. Not some, not non-believers, ect, ALL. And also you can not mix the bible and the quaran when referring to something it says especially instruction wise, they are two different writings two different things.


To the contrary, these versus are not just to a general man/woman relationship but in fact are both relative to each other. There are hundreds of verses in both the Bible and the Quran that are pertinent to each other, without any cause for contradiction.

The only context to caution is for people who are contemptible in 'why' they want a relationship with you in the first place. So, it doesn't matter if it is a neighboring nation or your one of Sampson's disloyal wives... One must exercise caution with people who are contemptible in their intentions. If I'm to assume somebody may need to be forgiven 7x70 times daily, I must also assume this person isn't just trying to abuse our relationship.

As for 'tribalism'... This is little more than a closely inbreed society. (A National Group That Has Promoted Marriage Between First Cousins)


Please be more specific if you would. The Quaran and the "Bible" as a whole don't go hand in hand. Yes the Quaran is similar to the old testament, but that's an entirely different set of laws we were to abide by but no longer hold power over us. And most to all the laws/instructions in the old testament were specific instructions to a specific person(s) for a specific reasoning.

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Sun 11/23/14 10:17 AM
Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Sun 11/23/14 10:23 AM
Yes, Jesus did say that he'd come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. (But What Does That Mean?)

The ability to practice all of the law that was formerly known to Abraham and later Moses wasn't capable of being fulfilled completely by anybody. Please, refer to Galatians 3: 10-22. In fact, not all the same prerequisites of law are even the same through the tremendous period of time that laps between Abraham and Moses' time. So, is it the assumption that all of the followers of Jesus were somehow exempt from any obligations? Really, this would become a licence for lawlessness. The list of obligations that are still documented in the Gospel and more emphatically by the letters of the Apostles clearly imply there is an obligation for those followers still.

Here in is the problem with what modern 'Apostate Christianity' and the former 'True Brothers And Sisters Of Old.'

Too many, modern 'would-be Christians' use Jesus' death as a excuse to exempt themselves from any obligation at all. (This Wasn't The Purpose Of His Sacrifice)

The Quran is very helpful in reiterating this understanding to show that the True God by no means exempts those who'd call themselves True Believers from following these minimum moral prerequisites.

I seem to remember asking CowboyGH if he was a member of any one particular congregation or church... He seemed to decline affiliation with any denomination. (Can't Say I Blame Him) Truth be known... CowboyGH actually reminds me of myself long ago. He is a young man and I am an old man so, there's much yet to be learned if he keeps an open mind.

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Sun 11/23/14 10:54 AM
the concept of 'more harm than good' was always interesting to me as it inherently assumes harm and good are quantifiable

people receive different messages from the same values or theories or whatever,, its no the fault of the value so much as a characteristic of the person reflecting upon it

most all of the 'harmful' things mentioned can be applied to just about any philosophy where people relate to one group or another

acknowledging race can be said to do all the same things
acknowledging gender can be said to do all the same things
acknowledging nationality,,,etc,,,etc,,etc,,,,

once we 'belong' in any certain group, we can either view it as different than or better than,,, that is a determination that results from the character of the person,,,,

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Sun 11/23/14 10:56 AM
Most religions teach morality ... a lesson that is not always learned.

Some religions teach hate ... a lesson that is sometimes learned all too well.


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Sun 11/23/14 11:13 AM


laugh