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Topic: "��I'��m not a cop you can mess with!"
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Fri 11/21/14 10:08 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 11/21/14 10:11 AM

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This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/

davidben1's photo
Fri 11/21/14 10:58 AM
well then you bettar start using your powers for something more than creating a bigger police state.

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Fri 11/21/14 01:20 PM


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This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/


Why isn't the Dishonorable Al or Uncle Jesse running to this kids defense?

Oh wait, that's right they are racists.

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Fri 11/21/14 01:21 PM
Talk one who takes his job way to seriously. Looks like some kids having fun watching a football game. The officer clearly was able to control the kid, and the kid was cooperating, no reason to spray him. I am curious as to what laws the cop thought this kid broke?

I hope the parents take not just the city, but the cop in question to court.


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Fri 11/21/14 03:20 PM


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This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/


Oh, what lying sacks of crap, Exclusive: Principal, police chief speak out after student pepper-sprayed at football game, "But the verbal became physical when Chief Smith says Prattville senior Cameron Rader became non-compliant.

"And if you play this thing quick enough you can actually see the juvenile's hand underneath the arm of the officer as he's pushing the officer into the rail and the officer's hand is going up," Smith added."

Play it quick enough, hell to see it you need to slow it down. And slowed down the first thing you see is the kids heads bobbing back and forth until he comes fully in frame with the cop's fist around the kids jacket front causing that bobbing.

One thing I will agree with though is the kid is defiant but not physically just as he has a right to be. But on the positive side, the clip shows a whole ton of witnesses looking at the thing head on and up close.


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Fri 11/21/14 03:22 PM

Talk one who takes his job way to seriously. Looks like some kids having fun watching a football game. The officer clearly was able to control the kid, and the kid was cooperating, no reason to spray him. I am curious as to what laws the cop thought this kid broke?

I hope the parents take not just the city, but the cop in question to court.




How do you take a city to court? But I will agree, you take the person that instigated the incident and bring the chief along for good company.

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Fri 11/21/14 03:52 PM
I tried to watch the video but it stops after a few seconds (Maybe it's being suppressed by the authorities). It's becoming all too common where another police officer lies to justify his mistakes. For all the people complaining about teachers' unions, we ought to work on police unions where officers get to protect other officers' incompetence with "internal reviews."


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Sat 11/22/14 02:55 PM



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This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/


Oh, what lying sacks of crap, Exclusive: Principal, police chief speak out after student pepper-sprayed at football game, "But the verbal became physical when Chief Smith says Prattville senior Cameron Rader became non-compliant.

"And if you play this thing quick enough you can actually see the juvenile's hand underneath the arm of the officer as he's pushing the officer into the rail and the officer's hand is going up," Smith added."

Play it quick enough, hell to see it you need to slow it down. And slowed down the first thing you see is the kids heads bobbing back and forth until he comes fully in frame with the cop's fist around the kids jacket front causing that bobbing.

One thing I will agree with though is the kid is defiant but not physically just as he has a right to be. But on the positive side, the clip shows a whole ton of witnesses looking at the thing head on and up close.




Two problems with that. 1st, all those witnesses are kids and probably friends with the kid. The 2nd is he didn't need to use pepper spray. If you cant handle a kid after he is away from the crowd then you have no business being a cop.

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Sat 11/22/14 02:55 PM


Talk one who takes his job way to seriously. Looks like some kids having fun watching a football game. The officer clearly was able to control the kid, and the kid was cooperating, no reason to spray him. I am curious as to what laws the cop thought this kid broke?

I hope the parents take not just the city, but the cop in question to court.




How do you take a city to court? But I will agree, you take the person that instigated the incident and bring the chief along for good company.


People sue cities and police departments on a regular basis. Al most all City Attorney's have deputy's on hand to handle law suits against the city.

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Sat 11/22/14 05:47 PM



Talk one who takes his job way to seriously. Looks like some kids having fun watching a football game. The officer clearly was able to control the kid, and the kid was cooperating, no reason to spray him. I am curious as to what laws the cop thought this kid broke?

I hope the parents take not just the city, but the cop in question to court.




How do you take a city to court? But I will agree, you take the person that instigated the incident and bring the chief along for good company.


People sue cities and police departments on a regular basis. Al most all City Attorney's have deputy's on hand to handle law suits against the city.


It,like statutes are but a "Color of Law". It is but a myth, the one where you can sue a fictitious piece of paper, "the city", as a determent against the actual persons being held responsible for their acts.

No people don't know any better, it is lawyers looking for a payday that sue that which doesn't exist. And it is the idiotic unwashed masses that buy the whole mess never stopping to realize they are the ones taking the bath as all the "rewards" are paid from their taxes, out of their pockets.

And "City" attorneys are a joke unto itself. The only need a city has for "legal" advice would be for the law of contracts to insure the general public receives value for their common money managed by the city and for that they can have a private firm on retainer as needed.

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Sat 11/22/14 07:25 PM
Actually an incorporated city, just like a business, can be sued as an entity. This has already been established by the supreme court and forms the basis on which PAC's can donate huge amounts of money circumventing the limits on campaign contributions.

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Sat 11/22/14 07:51 PM




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This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/


Oh, what lying sacks of crap, Exclusive: Principal, police chief speak out after student pepper-sprayed at football game, "But the verbal became physical when Chief Smith says Prattville senior Cameron Rader became non-compliant.

"And if you play this thing quick enough you can actually see the juvenile's hand underneath the arm of the officer as he's pushing the officer into the rail and the officer's hand is going up," Smith added."

Play it quick enough, hell to see it you need to slow it down. And slowed down the first thing you see is the kids heads bobbing back and forth until he comes fully in frame with the cop's fist around the kids jacket front causing that bobbing.

One thing I will agree with though is the kid is defiant but not physically just as he has a right to be. But on the positive side, the clip shows a whole ton of witnesses looking at the thing head on and up close.




Two problems with that. 1st, all those witnesses are kids and probably friends with the kid. The 2nd is he didn't need to use pepper spray. If you cant handle a kid after he is away from the crowd then you have no business being a cop.


Yeah the video doesn't quite show the whole story right from the start so right off the bat; I would question that video. I agree that the pepper spray was excessive in this case. Although teenagers are far from innocent. This morning I heard two teenagers threatened to beat up an ailing 67 year old man with a baseball bat that 67 year old just happens to be my brother. If I were there with my brother; pepper spray would have been the least of their worries when I got my hands on that trash.

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Sat 11/22/14 07:53 PM





Or talk to, deal with, appeal to, trust, or believe

This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/


Oh, what lying sacks of crap, Exclusive: Principal, police chief speak out after student pepper-sprayed at football game, "But the verbal became physical when Chief Smith says Prattville senior Cameron Rader became non-compliant.

"And if you play this thing quick enough you can actually see the juvenile's hand underneath the arm of the officer as he's pushing the officer into the rail and the officer's hand is going up," Smith added."

Play it quick enough, hell to see it you need to slow it down. And slowed down the first thing you see is the kids heads bobbing back and forth until he comes fully in frame with the cop's fist around the kids jacket front causing that bobbing.

One thing I will agree with though is the kid is defiant but not physically just as he has a right to be. But on the positive side, the clip shows a whole ton of witnesses looking at the thing head on and up close.




Two problems with that. 1st, all those witnesses are kids and probably friends with the kid. The 2nd is he didn't need to use pepper spray. If you cant handle a kid after he is away from the crowd then you have no business being a cop.


Yeah the video doesn't quite show the whole story right from the start so right off the bat; I would question that video. I agree that the pepper spray was excessive in this case. Although teenagers are far from innocent. This morning I heard two teenagers threatened to beat up an ailing 67 year old man with a baseball bat that 67 year old just happens to be my brother. If I were there with my brother; pepper spray would have been the least of their worries when I got my hands on that trash.


Salute you navy girl... I really appreciate your words

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Mon 11/24/14 09:09 AM
that seems like more abuse coming form the police ... and we all come from a police states just in hiding & waiting ... they seem to go over board with their authority becouse of who they are ... maybe they need a anger course ... and how to just deal with situation that are not harming anyone ... why do they want to pick a fight... is it there ego ... thinking must be ... and that is not a way to start a conversation with anyone ... they carry the weapons not always the kids ... sometimes it seems they just want to fight ... what tired of just standing around ... when that is why they are there in the first place ... not to antagonize people ...

davidben1's photo
Mon 11/24/14 10:09 AM
and so each time one accuse police of being a threat to society what shall such make the police apparatus do but create a larger force to counter those who deem it a threat, hence creating a larger police state...

so who first created the police state...

who created first people against government...

for indeed, do not these who access government as a threat, so than create government to need to protect it self against those who deem it a threat...

if the peoples wanted to create a less police state, than greater campaigns to endorse the police and bring more empathy and understanding to the masses of what it be like to be accessed as a target to be destroyed each moment in one's day...

than we the people would decrease the NEED or WANT of police to HAVE TO protect them self from the peoples...

decrease the threat felt by police, decrease aggression used to counter threat.

so who is really first initiating into existence most what exist for all...

decrease the government as a threat, decrease the government to need and want to build defenses against threat.

accusers and blamers never see how they them self are creating many to WANT to PROTECT them self from, THEM...


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 11/24/14 12:39 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 11/24/14 12:54 PM

When you think yourself a hammer, everything's a nail, even tho it may just be a gummy worm.

It was high school kids at a game! Guess the cop had never been in a crowd before? Perhaps never made it to high school.....or thru it?

Escalating such a situation is a stupid move and only creates more problems. Kids will be kids, and animosities will grow in youthful minds still forming opinions.

Seems to me there is a problem in Ferguson somewhat based on that principle, but let's make it a race issue instead! Much more money in it under that label...gotta keep people safe ya know..... since were incapable of knowing what's best, just having fun, or caring for ourselves

Society in training!

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Mon 11/24/14 02:33 PM

Actually an incorporated city, just like a business, can be sued as an entity. This has already been established by the supreme court and forms the basis on which PAC's can donate huge amounts of money circumventing the limits on campaign contributions.



No, it has not been established. Those mystical beings in their black robes are not supreme beings but just members of the BAR with a political bent right along with all the other psychopaths in government. And where in the constitution does that mystical organization have the power to legislate?

They offer nothing but opinions that really carry no weight until those other illustrious members of that private club start to spread that opinion around like it actually meant something. But in a rare moment of partial honesty actually stated some semblance of the truth.

"A statutory or constitutional court (whether it be an appellate or supreme court) may not second guess the judgment of a common law court of record. The Supreme Court of the USA acknowledges the common law as supreme: "The judgment of a court of record whose jurisdiction is final, is as conclusive on all the world as the judgment of this court would be. It is as conclusive on this court as it is on other courts. It puts an end to inquiry concerning the fact, by deciding it." Ex parte Watkins, 3 Pet., at 202-203 as cited by SCHNECKLOTH v. BUSTAMONTE, 412 U.S. 218, 255 (1973)"

And yes, most governments have been converted from an entity of the people and by the people to a for profit corporations and profits have been great.

But when "cities" are sued and those illustrious law members rake off their take off the top, just where does the money come from? The government, not likely as they have nothing that wasn't stolen from the people.

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Mon 11/24/14 02:45 PM





Or talk to, deal with, appeal to, trust, or believe

This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/


Oh, what lying sacks of crap, Exclusive: Principal, police chief speak out after student pepper-sprayed at football game, "But the verbal became physical when Chief Smith says Prattville senior Cameron Rader became non-compliant.

"And if you play this thing quick enough you can actually see the juvenile's hand underneath the arm of the officer as he's pushing the officer into the rail and the officer's hand is going up," Smith added."

Play it quick enough, hell to see it you need to slow it down. And slowed down the first thing you see is the kids heads bobbing back and forth until he comes fully in frame with the cop's fist around the kids jacket front causing that bobbing.

One thing I will agree with though is the kid is defiant but not physically just as he has a right to be. But on the positive side, the clip shows a whole ton of witnesses looking at the thing head on and up close.




Two problems with that. 1st, all those witnesses are kids and probably friends with the kid. The 2nd is he didn't need to use pepper spray. If you cant handle a kid after he is away from the crowd then you have no business being a cop.


Yeah the video doesn't quite show the whole story right from the start so right off the bat; I would question that video. I agree that the pepper spray was excessive in this case. Although teenagers are far from innocent. This morning I heard two teenagers threatened to beat up an ailing 67 year old man with a baseball bat that 67 year old just happens to be my brother. If I were there with my brother; pepper spray would have been the least of their worries when I got my hands on that trash.


Question what, there was no bat, it was a football game?

The positive aspect of the Initiating Expression of Natural Law (how it starts) is knowledge, or the acceptance of truth. Knowledge positively influences the quality of our lives because it positively influences our decision-making processes in every area of our lives.

The negative aspect of the Initiating Expression is Ignorance, or the refusal of truth. Ignorance negatively influences the quality of our lives because it negatively influences our decision-making processes in every area of our lives.

It is important to remember that ignorance should be distinguished from Nescience. Nescience means not knowing because necessary information is not present or unobtainable. Ignorance on the other hand, means not knowing even though necessary information has been willfully refused or disregarded.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

"No people will tamely surrender their liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved. On the contrary, when people are universally ignorant, and debauched in their manners, they will sink under their own weight without the aid of foreign invaders." - Samuel Adams.

"The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates

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Mon 11/24/14 03:04 PM


When you think yourself a hammer, everything's a nail, even tho it may just be a gummy worm.

It was high school kids at a game! Guess the cop had never been in a crowd before? Perhaps never made it to high school.....or thru it?

Escalating such a situation is a stupid move and only creates more problems. Kids will be kids, and animosities will grow in youthful minds still forming opinions.

Seems to me there is a problem in Ferguson somewhat based on that principle, but let's make it a race issue instead! Much more money in it under that label...gotta keep people safe ya know..... since were incapable of knowing what's best, just having fun, or caring for ourselves

Society in training!


Yes there is truth to your statements but the problem is still but a small portion of the police force but getting larger by the day. The federal government, like in so many things that are awry in our world, has taken over the training of the police using the same tactics as the military.

And why doesn't these "rogue" elements get disciplined? Well the reasons should be obvious, it is but to look at what passes for society and the implied goals of the elite to understand matters, or at least for a prudent soul to understand which leaves a huge segment of the population without a clue.

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Tue 11/25/14 04:29 PM






Or talk to, deal with, appeal to, trust, or believe

This is What a High School Football Game Looks Like In a Police State

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-football-game-police-state/


Oh, what lying sacks of crap, Exclusive: Principal, police chief speak out after student pepper-sprayed at football game, "But the verbal became physical when Chief Smith says Prattville senior Cameron Rader became non-compliant.

"And if you play this thing quick enough you can actually see the juvenile's hand underneath the arm of the officer as he's pushing the officer into the rail and the officer's hand is going up," Smith added."

Play it quick enough, hell to see it you need to slow it down. And slowed down the first thing you see is the kids heads bobbing back and forth until he comes fully in frame with the cop's fist around the kids jacket front causing that bobbing.

One thing I will agree with though is the kid is defiant but not physically just as he has a right to be. But on the positive side, the clip shows a whole ton of witnesses looking at the thing head on and up close.




Two problems with that. 1st, all those witnesses are kids and probably friends with the kid. The 2nd is he didn't need to use pepper spray. If you cant handle a kid after he is away from the crowd then you have no business being a cop.


Yeah the video doesn't quite show the whole story right from the start so right off the bat; I would question that video. I agree that the pepper spray was excessive in this case. Although teenagers are far from innocent. This morning I heard two teenagers threatened to beat up an ailing 67 year old man with a baseball bat that 67 year old just happens to be my brother. If I were there with my brother; pepper spray would have been the least of their worries when I got my hands on that trash.


Question what, there was no bat, it was a football game?

The positive aspect of the Initiating Expression of Natural Law (how it starts) is knowledge, or the acceptance of truth. Knowledge positively influences the quality of our lives because it positively influences our decision-making processes in every area of our lives.

The negative aspect of the Initiating Expression is Ignorance, or the refusal of truth. Ignorance negatively influences the quality of our lives because it negatively influences our decision-making processes in every area of our lives.

It is important to remember that ignorance should be distinguished from Nescience. Nescience means not knowing because necessary information is not present or unobtainable. Ignorance on the other hand, means not knowing even though necessary information has been willfully refused or disregarded.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

"No people will tamely surrender their liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved. On the contrary, when people are universally ignorant, and debauched in their manners, they will sink under their own weight without the aid of foreign invaders." - Samuel Adams.

"The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates



The bat had nothing to do with this incident; I was just recapping on an incident with my brother where teens were threatening him with a baseball bat. Point I was trying to make was teens can get out of control and are a real threat. People think automatically because someone is under 18 that they are not a threat but that is not true. Teens can be very dangerous and who really knows what really went down before the person caught this incident on their phone.

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