Topic: allegations
msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 08:45 AM
so, as a survivor of sexual assault,, my question is what woman after being sexually assaulted , continually and for years visits and hangs out with their attacker?

and when is it so terrible for people that are hanging out and getting high and drunk together, to end up having sex together,,,,because one or both of them decided CONSENTUALLY to take the drugs that left them so unaware?

,,,,,dangerous precedent being set,, for men who hang out with women that are heavy drug users/drinkers,,,

no photo
Sat 11/22/14 09:02 AM

...especially if they think that means they're entitled to have sex with them without their consent.


That's what Bill Cosby thought.

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 09:07 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/22/14 09:11 AM

...especially if they think that means they're entitled to have sex with them without their consent.




thing is,, I never took time to say 'I consent to this', when I was intimate with anyone,,,whether it was when I was assaulted or 'consentual'


people give/receive the 'consent' in the vast majority of cases by reading body language, taking verbal cues,,,etc,,,

if you are one who gets too wasted to 'remember' things,, perhaps you should not endulge in potentially intimate settings

like someone ELSES hotel room alone, or their house alone,,,etc,,,

will we really need to resort to a 'three yes' type of rule for sex to be consentual

the other party must say 'yes' verbally three times before consent is assumed to be given,,,,lol


,,,,smh

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 09:17 AM



...especially if they think that means they're entitled to have sex with them without their consent.




thing is,, I never took time to say 'I consent to this', when I was intimate with anyone,,,whether it was when I was assaulted or 'consentual'


were you impaired or unconscious?



well, I have been near unconscious during 'cosentual' sex,,, yes

boredom will do that, but it still wasn't the same as the assault I survived,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 09:29 AM
well now one cant know its boring unless its happening,, right?

mostly in my teen years when I didn't know any better(nor did he) or what it 'could' be like,, I consented,, even though I was rather bored sometimes,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 09:33 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 11/22/14 09:33 AM

was he aroused by boredom? maybe some men are? Ive never experienced it. Ive never had consentual sex without being interested in it.


some men are aroused more by physical touch than some review of the emotion behind it,,,,


he was 'aroused' by my body,, and no doubt his ego was of the belief that he could 'arouse' me,,,just to be honest

the rest was pretty much auto pilot from there,,,,

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 09:36 AM
but all sex is not 'sensual',.,some can be very romantic, some can be very rough, some can be very dirty

but they can all be done with 'consent'

no photo
Sat 11/22/14 09:42 AM


and when is it so terrible for people that are hanging out and getting high and drunk together, to end up having sex together,,,,because one or both of them decided CONSENTUALLY to take the drugs that left them so unaware?



For it to happen, one of the two would have to be aware...If the other one is not aware it is ALWAYS wrong...Being unaware is NOT giving consent...

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 11/22/14 10:10 AM
,,,,,dangerous precedent being set,, for men who hang out with women that are heavy drug users/drinkers,,,


That's another way of saying "If you play with fire, then you will eventually get burned."

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 04:29 PM



and when is it so terrible for people that are hanging out and getting high and drunk together, to end up having sex together,,,,because one or both of them decided CONSENTUALLY to take the drugs that left them so unaware?



For it to happen, one of the two would have to be aware...If the other one is not aware it is ALWAYS wrong...Being unaware is NOT giving consent...


how do two people, if they are both in some state of unaware,, know that the other is unaware?


msharmony's photo
Sat 11/22/14 04:31 PM

,,,,,dangerous precedent being set,, for men who hang out with women that are heavy drug users/drinkers,,,


That's another way of saying "If you play with fire, then you will eventually get burned."





thats true, except noone ever looks to the fire to be anything but fire

in a case of two intoxicated people being engaged in physical activity,,, which one is the fire and which one should be considered burned?