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Topic: Global Warming Is Real
Tomishereagain's photo
Fri 11/06/15 03:42 PM
Global warming is a real condition that is happening right now.
But its not what you think.

Our star, The Sun, is roughly 4.5 billion years into its 10 billion year life. Scientists call it being in Main-Sequence because it is burning its fuel at a pretty steady rate.

However, as the Sun ages. It burns hotter and hotter. Eventually the Sun will sluff off parts of itself as it starts dying. Those shells will engulf the Earth and fry it to a crisp. The Earth will be long dead by then, succumbed to the ever increasing heat.

The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. This decreases the tidal forces on the Earth. I'm not referring to waves on the ocean. I am referring to the magma flow inside the outer core. As the core slows, the Earth cools offsetting the increase in Solar temperature.

As the dynamo of magma that creates our magnetosphere weakens the Sun's solar weather will sluff off more and more atmospheric gasses that we call air. As that layer of insulation diminishes more radiation will reach the surface increasing the temperature of objects.

The Earth is not Venus. It does not have runaway greenhouse gasses causing global warming. It will never have the extreme conditions needed to cause the heat buildup of Venus.

Currently we are coming out of the last ice age. The polar ice caps are not a fundamental feature of the planet Earth. There will be another ice age, likely quite a few more. It is the natural cycle of the Earth.

Warming, yup, its warming. Anything to be concerned with, well, the coastal cities might be a problem but the Earth itself will be just fine.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 11/06/15 03:48 PM

Global warming is a real condition that is happening right now.
But its not what you think.

Our star, The Sun, is roughly 4.5 billion years into its 10 billion year life. Scientists call it being in Main-Sequence because it is burning its fuel at a pretty steady rate.

However, as the Sun ages. It burns hotter and hotter. Eventually the Sun will sluff off parts of itself as it starts dying. Those shells will engulf the Earth and fry it to a crisp. The Earth will be long dead by then, succumbed to the ever increasing heat.

The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. This decreases the tidal forces on the Earth. I'm not referring to waves on the ocean. I am referring to the magma flow inside the outer core. As the core slows, the Earth cools offsetting the increase in Solar temperature.

As the dynamo of magma that creates our magnetosphere weakens the Sun's solar weather will sluff off more and more atmospheric gasses that we call air. As that layer of insulation diminishes more radiation will reach the surface increasing the temperature of objects.

The Earth is not Venus. It does not have runaway greenhouse gasses causing global warming. It will never have the extreme conditions needed to cause the heat buildup of Venus.

Currently we are coming out of the last ice age. The polar ice caps are not a fundamental feature of the planet Earth. There will be another ice age, likely quite a few more. It is the natural cycle of the Earth.

Warming, yup, its warming. Anything to be concerned with, well, the coastal cities might be a problem but the Earth itself will be just fine.

i don't think it's the moon that causes the molten core, but the pressure from gravity... otherwise, the moon itself would have a molten core, which it doesn't...

Tomishereagain's photo
Fri 11/06/15 04:01 PM
No, the Moon did not create the molten outer core of the Earth, Yes, it is also from pressure and remnants of the Earths initial formation.
The Moon does however, affect the flow of the core tidally. The Earth and Moon revolve around each other at a barycenter. The tortional forces on the molten iron core has a cycle. As the Moon slowly moves away from the Earth, that tortional pull will diminish. The core will begin slowing and over ages it will eventually stop. At that time there will be no Magnetosphere to hold back solar winds and CMEs.
The Plates of the crust will contract and the Earth will get smaller, more compact.

All very much like what we see in Mars right now.

metalwing's photo
Fri 11/06/15 04:12 PM
Edited by metalwing on Fri 11/06/15 04:37 PM
You might want to study the subject some more. The cycles and changes to which you refer mostly occur over very long periods of time. Global Warming, as it pertains to modern use, refers to the heating of the planet during the current stable (between ice age)period that otherwise would be expected to last about 50,000 years.

The increase in carbon dioxide caused by humans burning coal, oil, and other carbon based fuels causes a 'greenhouse' effect which has raised the external temperature of the Earth and is expected to raise it some more. See the NASA website for detailed information.

A common misconception in the discussion of "Global Warming" is that it makes it hotter everywhere. That's not true. The effect is an overall average warming with increased temperature extremes both warm and cold. Weather extremes also occur such as floods, drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc.

The net effect on humanity is that vast areas that are used for crops receive unstable weather and general climatic conditions move. West Texas was one of the best hard wheat growing areas but has been plagued with floods and drought. The midwest and California has had the same problems. The "wheat belt" is moving to Canada. The Chihuahua Desert is taking over Texas and various other systems of Global Warming are visible if you only care to look.

Flaky Political ideas such as the "Carbon Credit" have been proposed to solve the problem but mostly are actually intended to harm the US financially and do little to abate Global Warming.

The real cause of Global Warming is human over population but the connection between the two is politically incorrect. As populations grow, vast areas of the rainforest are burned for crop and grazing land. China lies about how much carbon they are putting in the atmosphere and both China and India are burning coal like crazy.

A switch from coal to nuclear power would make significant headway to reducing the carbon load but nukes are out of favor even though they have been proved to be, by far, the safest form of energy production. The waste heat from the nuclear power plants could be used to convert coal to raw materials suitable for plastics, road asphalt, solvents, etc., but the nuclear plants would have to be cooperating with coal instead of bitter enemies.

The extreme cost of over regulation of the nuclear power industry could be abated by standardized plant design but there is no plan to do so.

Tomishereagain's photo
Fri 11/06/15 04:36 PM
@Metalwing
Thanx, I expected more responses like yours.

The underlying cause for panic is that we are creating a planetary enviroment that is not conducive to our current metabolisms.
I recently discussed with a group that felt we were destroying the Earth because of our carbon emmissions. We are not destroying the Earth. We are destroying our enviroment but the Earth has and will get much hotter. Normally.

People are so deluded with their own importance they fail to understand that nature doesn't care. Sure we can curb our disasterous tendancies but the Earth will be here long after we are all gone.

Also, just think of the climate once Yellowstone Super volcano erupts. We are overdue given the planets history. At that point, all the panic will be moot as we try to stay alive.

metalwing's photo
Fri 11/06/15 05:13 PM

@Metalwing
Thanx, I expected more responses like yours.

The underlying cause for panic is that we are creating a planetary enviroment that is not conducive to our current metabolisms.
I recently discussed with a group that felt we were destroying the Earth because of our carbon emmissions. We are not destroying the Earth. We are destroying our enviroment but the Earth has and will get much hotter. Normally.

People are so deluded with their own importance they fail to understand that nature doesn't care. Sure we can curb our disasterous tendancies but the Earth will be here long after we are all gone.

Also, just think of the climate once Yellowstone Super volcano erupts. We are overdue given the planets history. At that point, all the panic will be moot as we try to stay alive.


Yellowstone may erupt in the next five years or the next 50,000 years. We, in any case, can't do much about that. The Earth has been in a decreasing volcanic cycle so those type of events are getting rarer. Most super volcanoes on Earth are dead. Only a few remain. We have similar odds to being hit by an asteroid which is guaranteed to happen eventually.

The underlying cause of panic is the BS put out by politicians and media. There are wild claims on both sides. The causes by humans of CO2 production could be stopped in a heartbeat but things would have to get much worse for the bombs to start dropping.

Your reasons for the Earth warming fall in several different time scales. Actually, the long range prediction of the Earth's future is exactly the same as Venus' as the Sun's diameter approaches Earth.

The items that truly address Global Warming are the factors that affect the human condition over the next one hundred years. If the Earth heats up enough to cause the rain forests to go desert we are screwed. Some predict that it could happen in as little as thirty years. I don't think it matters if the primary source of oxygen production dies as a desert or is chopped down. The result is the same.

no photo
Mon 11/16/15 06:01 AM
YouTube - PROSECUTE CLIMATE DENIERS: 1 in 4 DEMOCRATS AGREE:

http://youtu.be/qoRFjEWDPcY/

Little Support for Punishing Global Warming Foes - Rasmussen Reports™

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/little_support_for_punishing_global_warming_foes/

Dodo_David's photo
Wed 11/18/15 09:53 AM
On 11/17/15, 20 inches of global warming fell on parts of Kansas.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 11/18/15 11:14 AM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 11/18/15 11:14 AM


global warming in Alaska as well...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/alaska-endures-temperatures-minus-24-its-only-november-n463996

Tomishereagain's photo
Wed 11/18/15 12:20 PM
I noticed this morning it was colder here in Mississippi than it was in Pennsylvania. Last year I saw a radar loop that showed snow in Mexico. I'll be looking for that again this winter.

no photo
Wed 11/18/15 01:57 PM
November 18, 2015

MEDIA IGNORES GROWING ICE
CAPS HYPES GLOBAL WARMING…:

http://youtu.be/oFCqU1W5LOA/

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Wed 11/18/15 02:09 PM
It's too bad so many people are purposely misunderstanding all of this.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 11/18/15 02:22 PM

It's too bad so many people are purposely misunderstanding all of this.


misunderstanding? more snow and ice = global warming? by all means, explain, please...

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/18/15 02:29 PM
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/18/1709-the-disparate-economic-and-political-impact-of-weather-and-climate/

1709; The Disparate Economic And Political Impact of Weather And Climate

mightymoe's photo
Wed 11/18/15 02:35 PM

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/18/1709-the-disparate-economic-and-political-impact-of-weather-and-climate/

1709; The Disparate Economic And Political Impact of Weather And Climate


one thing about that is they have already proved that wrong, just with ice core samples from various glaciers around the world...

mightymoe's photo
Thu 11/19/15 08:05 AM
bump

Tomishereagain's photo
Thu 11/19/15 11:00 AM
NASA study finds Antarctic ice cap growing
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ohoh_nasa_study_finds_antarctic_ice_cap_growing.html

Anyone remember


The theory is that melting ice from global warming changes the mid-Atlantic conveyor that causes the northern hemisphere to freeze.



mightymoe's photo
Thu 11/19/15 11:32 AM

NASA study finds Antarctic ice cap growing
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ohoh_nasa_study_finds_antarctic_ice_cap_growing.html

Anyone remember


The theory is that melting ice from global warming changes the mid-Atlantic conveyor that causes the northern hemisphere to freeze.





my theory would be there is no global warming... they watch the undersea water flows and know none have changed recently... you can see the flows on bpearthwatch.com, they have a link there

Rock's photo
Thu 11/19/15 02:59 PM
Otay...
The earth rotates on an "axis".
During rotation, the earth does a slow wobble on the axis, taking approximately 23,000 to 30,000 years to complete a wobble cycle.

This "wobble", has an effect on climate. For example, Alaska and much of the landmass inside the arctic circle, was known to have been tropical, based on soils, and various flora specimens found there.

Volcanoes, also have a massive effect on climate. Without volcanic ash blocking the warmth of the sun, there wouldn't have been a "mini ice age", during the medieval period. Without the mini ice age, the world would never have known the Stradivarius violin.

Yup! The world gets hot, and it gets cold. Been happening, since before recorded history.

Humans are evil, because dirty hippies say so.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 11/19/15 03:03 PM

Otay...
The earth rotates on an "axis".
During rotation, the earth does a slow wobble on the axis, taking approximately 23,000 to 30,000 years to complete a wobble cycle.

This "wobble", has an effect on climate. For example, Alaska and much of the landmass inside the arctic circle, was known to have been tropical, based on soils, and various flora specimens found there.

Volcanoes, also have a massive effect on climate. Without volcanic ash blocking the warmth of the sun, there wouldn't have been a "mini ice age", during the medieval period. Without the mini ice age, the world would never have known the Stradivarius violin.

Yup! The world gets hot, and it gets cold. Been happening, since before recorded history.

Humans are evil, because dirty hippies say so.


exactly, our recorded weather history represents about .00000000000001% of the billions of years weather has been on the planet

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