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Topic: The Story Of The God?
Conrad_73's photo
Sat 05/21/16 08:45 AM

The origins of the laws of nature, life and the Universe point clearly to an Intelligent Source that human theories cannot explain. Indeed the Supreme Power is God. The burden of proof is on those who argue to the contrary.

Antony Flew (1923-2010) was the world's most famous atheist. I would suggest you read his recount of his conversion in a book titled, 'There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind'.

After the simple homework, please come back and tackle these two questions, too simple for your high IQ :

1) Factually convince us the non existence of an Intelligent Source.
2) Many other known great atheists like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris with such high IQ changed their minds.
My take.... The wise gentlemen realized they were mistaken in their beliefs.
Discuss.

The burden of proof lies with you. Once ready, please submit your exam write up to the honourable members of Mingle who believe in God to open a factual discussion. Until then, I leave you with the following citations :

Psalm 14:1
A fool says in his heart there is no God.

Proverbs 26:4
Do not give answer to a fool according to his foolishness, lest you also be like him.

Wise sayings....
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
George Carlin

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain

I rest my case!


actually,since you claim the Existence of God,it is incumbent to you to prove your Claim,not to anyone who simply says that they don't believe you!
You make the Claim,you prove it!

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 05/21/16 08:48 AM





fish are also animals so did he get 2 whales?


FYI: Whales are mammals, not fish.



i think a bigger point would be "why would Noah need 2 whales if the world was flooded"? but the whole arc thing is just fantasy anyway, not a real big arguing point to god or the bible...

6.5 square-millimeter is a lot of space on an Arch!laugh


mm??huh laugh
'bout a quarter of an inch!

Annierooroo's photo
Sat 05/21/16 11:52 AM
You have your opinion and I have mine.

Because you are so negative I can't be bothered wasting my time with you.

You haven't won I choose to be the more mature one and walk away.


idevise's photo
Sat 05/21/16 08:03 PM
God approves rape, slave and many other atrocities and yet he saved you! I must be doing something wrong, maybe I need to start killing people to gain Gods favour and live a life of eternity. So many deluded empty heads in this world that try their hardest to shame the human race.


Lu10nt hasn't fooled anyone, but himself for the above statement.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder

lu10nt's photo
Sun 05/22/16 04:17 AM

I do want to point out that I do believe in an intelligent being far greater than us. Whether or not it is truly God, that's something for which we just have to rely on faith.

I just don't see how evolution can prove ALL of this. Our bodies are incredible. I said this before, but we breathe air, we process the elements around us, and we can use our sense, and our whole nervous system is a complex, intricate mesh of "wires" and "electrical charges".

There are really only two real conclusions I can draw from this.

a) We were either built, for some purpose, by some power we cannot even begin to understand or;

b) We are not real. Everything around us is nothing but an intense, deeper level of some kind of existential plane that we cannot grasp.

I'll opt for choice a, on the contention that if something DID build us and build this world for us to live upon, one can only assume it was done with love, and the hopes we would show mutual love to others.

And that's what God has always been about. =)


If we were built then I want some upgrades because the human body is flawed in so many ways, one key cause of some of my problems is from when we went from chimps to man because we aren't supposed to be Bi-pedal creatures but because of our evolution , I now suffer chronic back pain. Also our breeding organs are multi-functions to allow waste to pass through which doesn't sound quite hygenic. I could google countless other flaws with the human race but by far the biggest one is the sticky topic of god being stuck to the brains of easily deceived people

lu10nt's photo
Sun 05/22/16 04:38 AM
Edited by lu10nt on Sun 05/22/16 04:42 AM

God approves rape, slave and many other atrocities and yet he saved you! I must be doing something wrong, maybe I need to start killing people to gain Gods favour and live a life of eternity. So many deluded empty heads in this world that try their hardest to shame the human race.


Lu10nt hasn't fooled anyone, but himself for the above statement.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder



So what your telling me that the now more technologically advanced world capable of far more destructive power have killed more now than back when both science and technology were poor and populations were small.

Of course these numbers include Hitlers Germany of whom killed Jews. How was he atheist if he only picked on Jews and then those that waged war against him. Then there is all the communism in China and Russia that led to millions of deaths which are power houses in the east and have much larger populations than the entire population of europe thousands of years ago.

So I am not actually surprised that there seems to be more murdered from Atheists but who exactly are they killing? Also this is happening on the other side of the planet, somewhere that is communist and somewhere I don't care about because Christianity wasn't dominant in those areas.

Back to Europe all we have is World War 2 which saw Hitler and Stalin kill millions in a world war involving Jews. I don't recall it being termed as an Atheist War. It was a war so of course a lot of people died but not against the name of God and not in the name of Atheism. I struggle to see how these numbers add up because almost all of them are irrelevent, if you minus all the irrelevent communism and world war 2 I doubt we come close.

Back to the real world. When do you ever hear a time on the news when someone has killed someone because they weren't atheist. I hear it a lot about muslims and suicide bombers but thats because the media is also corrupt and have their ways of controlling trends and popular opinions by convincing the public that Muslims are the enemy when actually its just extremists. You just can't believe what you hear these days.

Also in todays world we can get quite an accurate total of number of deaths but from thousands of years ago its more like guess work so there could be far more than we realise but still, like I've said I doubt we reach a few hundred thousand because no armies go round with an Atheist Banner and kill other people for believing in God.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 05/22/16 08:20 AM

God approves rape, slave and many other atrocities and yet he saved you! I must be doing something wrong, maybe I need to start killing people to gain Gods favour and live a life of eternity. So many deluded empty heads in this world that try their hardest to shame the human race.


Lu10nt hasn't fooled anyone, but himself for the above statement.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder



thats just stupid..more people have been killed over a god than people killing not believing in one... get your facts straight...

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 05/22/16 09:22 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 05/22/16 09:23 AM

God approves rape, slave and many other atrocities and yet he saved you! I must be doing something wrong, maybe I need to start killing people to gain Gods favour and live a life of eternity. So many deluded empty heads in this world that try their hardest to shame the human race.


Lu10nt hasn't fooled anyone, but himself for the above statement.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder


CONSERVA-WHAT?noway laugh

Conservapedia is a self-described conservative and fundamentalist Christian alternative to Wikipedia. While the project began as an attempt to collaboratively develop an online encyclopedia, it has become in recent years a vanity project for its founder Andrew Schlafly, who uses the site as a way to forward his own particular insights on matters political and scientific. The site has a few other regular editors and administrators, most of whom use it to publicize their own projects or to write articles on their own pet causes. There is, in effect, no way to speak of "Conservapedia" as a collective voice or as a reflection of the insights of a larger community; what goes on the site reflects nothing more than the views of Schlafly and the handful of people he trusts with full editing privileges. The problem is separating what Schlafly and his cohorts write as truth from what the trolls (and there are many) edit onto the site. Basically, the entire wiki is one giant Poe's Law.(http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law)
Rational Wiki

PassionateWriter's photo
Sun 05/22/16 10:04 AM
Well, bear in mind, the way we are built now is NOT how we were built way back when. I firmly believe Neanderthal man may very well have demonstrated some of the most amazing things, like extra-sensory perception, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. It may sound far-fetched, but if you think about how little we use our brains now, and how many more distractions we have since way back then, it's possible.

What did God supposedly say? He made us in the same image as God? If that's the case, look through the Bible and you'll find all these stories about people doing incredible things, vanquishing foes, seeing visions in the sky, all SORTS of goodies.

It's conceivable God didn't do ANY of these things. Man did, through their own mind powers, and these powers were attributed to God, or A god. =)



If we were built then I want some upgrades because the human body is flawed in so many ways, one key cause of some of my problems is from when we went from chimps to man because we aren't supposed to be Bi-pedal creatures but because of our evolution , I now suffer chronic back pain. Also our breeding organs are multi-functions to allow waste to pass through which doesn't sound quite hygenic. I could google countless other flaws with the human race but by far the biggest one is the sticky topic of god being stuck to the brains of easily deceived people

mightymoe's photo
Sun 05/22/16 11:17 AM

Well, bear in mind, the way we are built now is NOT how we were built way back when. I firmly believe Neanderthal man may very well have demonstrated some of the most amazing things, like extra-sensory perception, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. It may sound far-fetched, but if you think about how little we use our brains now, and how many more distractions we have since way back then, it's possible.

What did God supposedly say? He made us in the same image as God? If that's the case, look through the Bible and you'll find all these stories about people doing incredible things, vanquishing foes, seeing visions in the sky, all SORTS of goodies.

It's conceivable God didn't do ANY of these things. Man did, through their own mind powers, and these powers were attributed to God, or A god. =)



If we were built then I want some upgrades because the human body is flawed in so many ways, one key cause of some of my problems is from when we went from chimps to man because we aren't supposed to be Bi-pedal creatures but because of our evolution , I now suffer chronic back pain. Also our breeding organs are multi-functions to allow waste to pass through which doesn't sound quite hygenic. I could google countless other flaws with the human race but by far the biggest one is the sticky topic of god being stuck to the brains of easily deceived people



personally, i think the aliens were the gods... anything with advanced knowledge back then would be seen as one...

lu10nt's photo
Sun 05/22/16 05:13 PM
Edited by lu10nt on Sun 05/22/16 05:17 PM

Well, bear in mind, the way we are built now is NOT how we were built way back when. I firmly believe Neanderthal man may very well have demonstrated some of the most amazing things, like extra-sensory perception, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. It may sound far-fetched, but if you think about how little we use our brains now, and how many more distractions we have since way back then, it's possible.

What did God supposedly say? He made us in the same image as God? If that's the case, look through the Bible and you'll find all these stories about people doing incredible things, vanquishing foes, seeing visions in the sky, all SORTS of goodies.

It's conceivable God didn't do ANY of these things. Man did, through their own mind powers, and these powers were attributed to God, or A god. =)



If we were built then I want some upgrades because the human body is flawed in so many ways, one key cause of some of my problems is from when we went from chimps to man because we aren't supposed to be Bi-pedal creatures but because of our evolution , I now suffer chronic back pain. Also our breeding organs are multi-functions to allow waste to pass through which doesn't sound quite hygenic. I could google countless other flaws with the human race but by far the biggest one is the sticky topic of god being stuck to the brains of easily deceived people



God came about simply because the dumb human race would see thunder in the sky and question, how does that happen? then the sun disappears during the day, something we now call an eclipse, how did that happen and eventually we end up with unexplained events that the dumb people could only see as being magical and attributed such powers as divine and caused by a higher power they name God. Meanwhile in the more sophisticated and slightly less dumb human race of today we answer these questions with science. We perform tests and experiments to confirm and replace the answer from God to Science. Every single God has been put to the sword, except for the God of Creation. Science has not yet been able to recreate the big bang and test to see if we are here by chance but considering Science has put hundreds of Gods to the Sword, I can pretty much discount the last one as well.

Anyway your going on about Neandethals having Telekinesis and that sounding Far-Fetched, enough said really. Lastly if God made us in his image and we as a species have many flaws as mentioned before then God decided in his ultimate Wisdom and Superior intellect to ours to create us with the same flaws that he has, sounds like Inferior intellect to me.

lu10nt's photo
Sun 05/22/16 05:17 PM


Well, bear in mind, the way we are built now is NOT how we were built way back when. I firmly believe Neanderthal man may very well have demonstrated some of the most amazing things, like extra-sensory perception, telekinesis, telepathy, etc. It may sound far-fetched, but if you think about how little we use our brains now, and how many more distractions we have since way back then, it's possible.

What did God supposedly say? He made us in the same image as God? If that's the case, look through the Bible and you'll find all these stories about people doing incredible things, vanquishing foes, seeing visions in the sky, all SORTS of goodies.

It's conceivable God didn't do ANY of these things. Man did, through their own mind powers, and these powers were attributed to God, or A god. =)



If we were built then I want some upgrades because the human body is flawed in so many ways, one key cause of some of my problems is from when we went from chimps to man because we aren't supposed to be Bi-pedal creatures but because of our evolution , I now suffer chronic back pain. Also our breeding organs are multi-functions to allow waste to pass through which doesn't sound quite hygenic. I could google countless other flaws with the human race but by far the biggest one is the sticky topic of god being stuck to the brains of easily deceived people



personally, i think the aliens were the gods... anything with advanced knowledge back then would be seen as one...


I think WE are the only Gods ever to be proven to have existed. The idea of God is that he is a creator and yet almost everything in this world that we see, do and use has been manmade. Our ideas of the power of God has been very well wielded by mankind and continues to be used and spread to almost every habitable place on earth and soon maybe the rest of the solar system and beyond.

PassionateWriter's photo
Sun 05/22/16 06:58 PM
It's a possibility.
Just look at the Nazca lines of Peru, for example.
Someone made those, and they weren't meant for anyone else to see - except something up in the sky. Whether or not they were drawn to appease sun gods is a mystery. Seems like a hell of a lot of work to impress the sun. =)


[personally, i think the aliens were the gods... anything with advanced knowledge back then would be seen as one...

lu10nt's photo
Mon 05/23/16 02:59 AM

It's a possibility.
Just look at the Nazca lines of Peru, for example.
Someone made those, and they weren't meant for anyone else to see - except something up in the sky. Whether or not they were drawn to appease sun gods is a mystery. Seems like a hell of a lot of work to impress the sun. =)


[personally, i think the aliens were the gods... anything with advanced knowledge back then would be seen as one...



Not sure but it seem like you don't believe but are still in some doubt and therefore Agnostic? It makes me think that you are a bit like me in the sense that I would love Pokemon, Iron Man, Thor, X-men etc to be real but the difference being that I can tell they are not with the overwhelming evidence, and the other difference being than some of these things could actually have the possibility of being real through science.

Godsfriend10's photo
Sun 05/29/16 03:42 PM

As an Atheist, you pronounce the word "God" more than any believer
i wonder whether you see God in your dream - i mean after thinking about God this much

Yea...something within tells him that God is real but he is fighting that inward witness.:smile:

mightymoe's photo
Sun 05/29/16 03:57 PM


It's a possibility.
Just look at the Nazca lines of Peru, for example.
Someone made those, and they weren't meant for anyone else to see - except something up in the sky. Whether or not they were drawn to appease sun gods is a mystery. Seems like a hell of a lot of work to impress the sun. =)


[personally, i think the aliens were the gods... anything with advanced knowledge back then would be seen as one...



Not sure but it seem like you don't believe but are still in some doubt and therefore Agnostic? It makes me think that you are a bit like me in the sense that I would love Pokemon, Iron Man, Thor, X-men etc to be real but the difference being that I can tell they are not with the overwhelming evidence, and the other difference being than some of these things could actually have the possibility of being real through science.


i don't believe a god created everything, or is all knowing, or has an ability to know everyones thoughts... but i do believe that man is flawed in their thinking about how everything can or does work... even sciences today (imo) can't seem to separate the god out of things, when a god couldn't have done the things humans think it can do/did...the big bang theory is a good example, where everything in the universe was created from nothing, just like god created everything from nothing... evolution is another, we can see the later stages of it, but not the beginning...

to me, a "god" is nothing more than a being with more knowledge than the things around it...

so, in a sense, you were right when you said we are the only gods, because to an ant, we are gods...

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