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These 2 murder sprees were 47 yrs ago. Technically, some perps have done their time. Good behavior.. Blah blah blah... My opinion has not changed in 1/2 a century. Shame on you California, for stopping the death penalty. Look at what it cost you. * Wow, has it been that long. Not too many countries have the death penalty anymore. But 47 years is barbaric, death would be peace for this human. Forty seven years and Justice could not reform this person. California is an progressive State... and they failed? And that is something new Cali.. failed at something...  I honestly think Death would have been too easy for what these people did and had no remorse...It is one thing to do something as horrible as this and have remorse and show it in their actions... Totally different for someone or several people to do something like this and show nothing...So IMHO the slow torture of being imprisoned like an animal is no more punishment than what the loved ones of the victims feel each and everyday I endorse your sentiments Rains.The time served gives them ample opportunity to show that they had some human sentiment.Sometimes it takes years to acknowledge ones mistakes.It would appear they have never openly acknowledged their remorse.Whilst the death penalty is in itself barbaric at times it is too good for some people and possibly deprives them of the opportunity to express remorse.Incarceration costs the community but as the saying goes sometimes you have to pay for what you want.Quite often what we get free we don't value. They murdered on three known occasions (others are suspected to be victims of the Manson Family, Van Hauten has not cooperated in any of those investigations BTW) and tried to cut a baby out of a pregnant woman's stomach. They should have been fried years ago. The point I was trying to make was that some people change.Frying people does not allow this to happen although it does prevent them from re offending.Executing them is also too soft on them,I don't believe that the anguish and pain involved in execution ( unless it was a botched effort) is anywhere close to what they deserve.I acknowledge that a criminal expressing remorse does not right the wrong but it is surprising how often the family of victims take comfort in hearing remorse expressed.There is no simple or universally acceptable way of dealing with these matters. It is a well documented FACT that a psychopath and a sociopath cant not change. They can't feel remorse, empathy or even sympathy.  We can word play virtually anything. We can call prison 'rehabilitation', but it is not. We can call a political party, 'progressive', as if all progress is a good thing. Geez. Diseases are progressive. So are societies on a downward spiral.  Justice however is justice. And victims of crime & their families & society as a whole deserve that. And prevention of future crimes is our/ societies obligation. I have as much compassion, empathy, sympathy for the perp as they had for their victim. I don't want or need to hear ' I am sorry, I changed'. And neither does the family of the victim.. they want and are entitled to swift justice. Where was this skanks compassion as Sharon Tate begged and pleaded to just give her two weeks to live so she could deliver her baby then they could do whatever they wanted to her. Where was the compassion as they tried to cut the baby from Tate's body? People this sick are the reason we have the death penalty and life imprisonment. Charles Manson and his so called family have committed so much evil. There are the 7 victims that are definitely victims of his plus the attempted assassination of President Ford. Not to mention all of the other murders and crimes they haven't proven yet. Last I read they are still finding bodies every so often out at one of the ranches....... Yes. I read all that too. And I remember.. The screaming & chanting in & out of the court room, shaving their heads, cutting themselves, yelling & insulting & threatening the judge, lawyers, police.... Everyone. I was young. |
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Swift "justice" has resulted in many cases of wrongful conviction and execution. Oh here we go now. Manson and his nut jobs were wrongly convicted eh? Wow, I need to really rethink Darwinism now. There really are people so stupid out there that should be extinct by now. I fail to see how your response has any connection to my statement.Neither in this post or any of my previous posts have I inferred anything that might imply that they were wrongly convicted.In fact I have stated that in my opinion the death penalty was too lenient for their particular crimes.If you can present something which refutes my statement rather than an irrelevant and ignorant rant I would be interested in reading it.You need to rethink more than Darwinism. |
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Swift "justice" has resulted in many cases of wrongful conviction and execution. Oh here we go now. Manson and his nut jobs were wrongly convicted eh? Wow, I need to really rethink Darwinism now. There really are people so stupid out there that should be extinct by now. I fail to see how your response has any connection to my statement.Neither in this post or any of my previous posts have I inferred anything that might imply that they were wrongly convicted.In fact I have stated that in my opinion the death penalty was too lenient for their particular crimes.If you can present something which refutes my statement rather than an irrelevant and ignorant rant I would be interested in reading it.You need to rethink more than Darwinism. Yea, your rush to judgment statements. All typical liberal babbling BS statements. This is the one case I actually have basically read everything there is out there on, the true, the bogus, the BS. They had they're a$$es dead to rights, the little trial outbursts, witness tampering and intimidation and the family members outside the court creating a commotion and doing anything humanly possible to get in front of the media. Manson knew exactly what he was doing and even tried to force a mistrial in a rather clever stunt showing the jury a current newspaper article that President Nixon declared them guilty, then there was trying to physically attack the judge when he didn't get his way. I also read that the Secret Service still has many members on their list to monitor. |
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Swift "justice" has resulted in many cases of wrongful conviction and execution. Oh here we go now. Manson and his nut jobs were wrongly convicted eh? Wow, I need to really rethink Darwinism now. There really are people so stupid out there that should be extinct by now. I fail to see how your response has any connection to my statement.Neither in this post or any of my previous posts have I inferred anything that might imply that they were wrongly convicted.In fact I have stated that in my opinion the death penalty was too lenient for their particular crimes.If you can present something which refutes my statement rather than an irrelevant and ignorant rant I would be interested in reading it.You need to rethink more than Darwinism. Yea, your rush to judgment statements. All typical liberal babbling BS statements. This is the one case I actually have basically read everything there is out there on, the true, the bogus, the BS. They had they're a$$es dead to rights, the little trial outbursts, witness tampering and intimidation and the family members outside the court creating a commotion and doing anything humanly possible to get in front of the media. Manson knew exactly what he was doing and even tried to force a mistrial in a rather clever stunt showing the jury a current newspaper article that President Nixon declared them guilty, then there was trying to physically attack the judge when he didn't get his way. I also read that the Secret Service still has many members on their list to monitor. My statement has nothing to do with Manson or any specific individual or judgement.If you wish to dispute anything I have said then deal with it in the context it was made.My statement is a statement of fact and with universal relevance.The statement,in my opinion does not reflect bias of a philosophical,political or cultural nature.If your response to my comment is indicative of your reasoning ability then your personal opininion on the Manson case is in my view very suspect.You may very well have read everything that is out there on this particular case but I'm sure that there is a lot of information that is not out there of which you are not aware.Of course you are entitled to express your opinion on the Manson case and to criticise the justice system in your country and to criticise any comments I have made. |
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Yea, your rush to judgment statements. All typical liberal babbling BS statements. There is no more classic example of "rush to judgment babble" in this thread (so far), than this statement. No attention to facts, no references or arguments from logical reasoning, no effort to directly address ANY specifics whatsoever...just slap the "anti" political label in, and trot it on out. |
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https://www.change.org/p/keep-charles-manson-cult-murderer-leslie-van-houten-from-early-prison-release
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No attention to facts, no references or arguments from logical reasoning, no effort to directly address ANY specifics whatsoever...just slap the "anti" political label in, and trot it on out.
It was 47 yrs ago. What facts? Why would any be necessary? Most states if not all had the death penalty, back then. California was one of the first not to. And the death penalty still exists, in some states just under less circumstances. Not many people would think that a group of people who killed 5 people & probably more should live. And most don't care about laws over seas. So what is to prove ? |
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I bet ol'moonbeam will let her out. He needs to be in with her.
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Manson and slags, were found guilty
and sentenced for their "special" crimes. Rehabilitated?  Manson, is STILL threatening to kill people. VanHouten, actually DID kill people. Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, was shown leniency early on. She repaid that leniency, by firing a .38 calibre pistol AT a U.S. president. Let them all die in the obscurity of prison. |
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Manson and slags, were found guilty and sentenced for their "special" crimes. Rehabilitated? Manson, is STILL threatening to kill people. VanHouten, actually DID kill people. Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, was shown leniency early on. She repaid that leniency, by firing a .38 calibre pistol AT a U.S. president. Let them all die in the obscurity of prison. The only reason the pistol didn't go off is because a defect in the gun and the Secret Service Agent who saw Fromme jammed the webbing of his hand between the hammer and the gun leaving him with a lifetime injury. |
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