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RIGHT NOW, the Republican Party is OPPOSED to every American citizen having an equal right and ability to vote. Meanwhile, back in this universe . . . |
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Enough already. Almost everyone who is arguing against msharmony on this, are completely ignoring the fundamental fact, that over the period of years from Lyndon Johnson's administration up to now, there was a marked, and extremely purposeful shift, by the Republican Party, to move AWAY from support for the ideals that their party was originally created to fight for, and TOWARDS making themselves the party of hatred of one group of Americans against another. The litany and lists of everything that happened BEFORE Johnson, posted by people who thought they were OPPOSING msharmony, actually 100% supported exactly what she wrote. Bottom line, that was then. This is now. RIGHT NOW, the Republican Party is OPPOSED to every American citizen having an equal right and ability to vote. They are OPPOSED to everyone of us being equal under the law. And they actively SUPPORT persecution and oppression of one kind of Americans against another kind. By all means, read and learn where we all came from. But stop pretending silly things, such as that because Lincoln did what he did, that the Republicans of TODAY can pretend that they are just as nice. You might as well pretend that because Teddy Roosevelt created the National Parks system, that today's GOP can support the destruction of the environment for profit everywhere INCLUDING the parks, because Teddy was so cool. 
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Enough already. Almost everyone who is arguing against msharmony on this, are completely ignoring the fundamental fact, that over the period of years from Lyndon Johnson's administration up to now, there was a marked, and extremely purposeful shift, by the Republican Party, to move AWAY from support for the ideals that their party was originally created to fight for, and TOWARDS making themselves the party of hatred of one group of Americans against another. The litany and lists of everything that happened BEFORE Johnson, posted by people who thought they were OPPOSING msharmony, actually 100% supported exactly what she wrote. Bottom line, that was then. This is now. RIGHT NOW, the Republican Party is OPPOSED to every American citizen having an equal right and ability to vote. They are OPPOSED to everyone of us being equal under the law. And they actively SUPPORT persecution and oppression of one kind of Americans against another kind. By all means, read and learn where we all came from. But stop pretending silly things, such as that because Lincoln did what he did, that the Republicans of TODAY can pretend that they are just as nice. You might as well pretend that because Teddy Roosevelt created the National Parks system, that today's GOP can support the destruction of the environment for profit everywhere INCLUDING the parks, because Teddy was so cool. This is ludicrous! To say this is all about Lincoln is insane. The Republicans have been fighting for equal rights for Blacks, women, Indians and ALL people for the last 200 years. Here are just a few examples including "recent" history: It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s Dr. King(a Republican) was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman’s issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military. Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King. The OP seems to think everything changed after 1964 but in 1969 Republicans started the NAACP and affirmative action with President Richard Nixon’s 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation’s first goals and timetables. Nixon did it to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs. Republicans founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Also is the extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act that Dirksen(a Republican) wrote the language for the bill. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing. Contrary to the false assertions by OP, the racist “Dixiecrats” did not all migrate to the Republican Party. “Dixiecrats” declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks. Some of those “Dixiecrats” continued their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who was well known for having been a “Keagle” in the Ku Klux Klan. Another former “Dixiecrat” is former Democrat Sen. Ernest Hollings, who put up the Confederate flag over the state Capitol when he was the governor of South Carolina. There was no public outcry when Democrat Sen. Christopher Dodd praised Byrd as someone who would have been “a great senator for any moment,” including the Civil War. Yet Democrats denounced then-Senate GOP leader Trent Lott for his remarks about Sen. Strom Thurmond (R.-S.C.). Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. The 30-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party began in the 1970s with President Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” which was an effort on the part of Nixon to get Christians in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were still discriminating against their fellow Christians who happened to be black. In the End, this false narrative about somehow there was this big shift after 1964 about who supports civil rights is just spin by Democrats who still to this day are the real racists and bigots that practice "financial slavery" on blacks that keep them in poverty and high crime inner cities. |
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Enough already. Right back at ya sunshine.......the rest of that illogical, biased drivel wasn't worth quoting.
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Tue 08/09/16 10:33 AM
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Hillary/Robert Byrd?
http://observer.com/2010/06/hillary-clinton-remembers-friend-and-mentor-robert-byrd/ Hillary/Robert Byrd Here’s her full statement: Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert Byrd. Senator Byrd was a man of surpassing eloquence and nobility. I will remember him most for a heartfelt comment he made to me in the dark days following 9/11, when my state of New York was reeling and we were scrambling to provide support and relief. “Think of me as the third senator from New York,” he said. And he meant it. Thanks to the leadership of Senator Byrd, who chaired the Appropriations Committee, New Yorkers got the help they needed. I will never forget his devotion and his friendship in that critical time. It is almost impossible to imagine the United States Senate without Robert Byrd. He was not just its longest serving member, he was its heart and soul. From my first day in the Senate, I sought out his guidance, and he was always generous with his time and his wisdom. I admired his tireless advocacy for his constituents, his fierce defense of the Constitution and the traditions of the Senate, and his passion for government that improves the lives of the people it serves. And as Secretary of State, I continued to rely on his advice and counsel. I have been grateful for the support he has provided as a leader of the Appropriations Committee to our diplomats and development workers as they serve our country and advance our interests all over the world. Robert Byrd led by the power of his example, and he made all of us who had the honor of serving as his colleagues better public servants and better citizens. After more than five decades of service, he has left an indelible imprint on the Senate, on West Virginia, and on our nation. We will not see his like again. I am heartened to know that Senator Byrd is now reunited with his beloved Erma, the high-school sweetheart who became his wife of nearly 70 years and the love of his life. My thoughts and prayers are with their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. |
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So, we are supposed to ignore what the major political parties were like before the year 1972, concentrate on the year 1972 and forget what the parties are like right now.
Nah, I don't think so. Anyway, I'm on Tweety's side. 
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Enough already. Almost everyone who is arguing against msharmony on this, are completely ignoring the fundamental fact, that over the period of years from Lyndon Johnson's administration up to now, there was a marked, and extremely purposeful shift, by the Republican Party, to move AWAY from support for the ideals that their party was originally created to fight for, and TOWARDS making themselves the party of hatred of one group of Americans against another. The litany and lists of everything that happened BEFORE Johnson, posted by people who thought they were OPPOSING msharmony, actually 100% supported exactly what she wrote. Bottom line, that was then. This is now. RIGHT NOW, the Republican Party is OPPOSED to every American citizen having an equal right and ability to vote. They are OPPOSED to everyone of us being equal under the law. And they actively SUPPORT persecution and oppression of one kind of Americans against another kind. By all means, read and learn where we all came from. But stop pretending silly things, such as that because Lincoln did what he did, that the Republicans of TODAY can pretend that they are just as nice. You might as well pretend that because Teddy Roosevelt created the National Parks system, that today's GOP can support the destruction of the environment for profit everywhere INCLUDING the parks, because Teddy was so cool. Bill Clinton gave our national parks and waterways to the UN while serving as POTUS. We pay for them, their upkeep and all.... but the UN controls them now thanks to Wild Bill! http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA341.html |
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look at regional voting,,,,southerners and conservatives have not been supportive of civil rghts northerners and 'liberals' have the republican party was once much more about 'liberal' policy todays republican party is not,,, the 'liberals' people love to hate in the modern era are democrats |
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look at regional voting,,,,southerners and conservatives have not been supportive of civil rghts northerners and 'liberals' have the republican party was once much more about 'liberal' policy todays republican party is not,,, the 'liberals' people love to hate in the modern era are democrats |
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Question: So in a nutshell this is another " how the blacks continue to get the shaft" thread, which you dredged up from a year ago, right?
Answer: No. this is a thread in response to the constant and recent nonsense about how republicans(as conservatives) are the party of civil rights now because they championed (as liberals)civil rights prior to the seventies |
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look at regional voting,,,,southerners and conservatives have not been supportive of civil rghts northerners and 'liberals' have the republican party was once much more about 'liberal' policy todays republican party is not,,, the 'liberals' people love to hate in the modern era are democrats What kind of nonsense is this? Southerners and Conservatives? How do you even quantify those two groups? The Northerners(most of them) were republican and very conservative(defined by constitutional rights for all) Southerns(the more liberal) were mostly Democrats who had a very liberal interpretation of the constitution(thought it only applied to white people) Where do you get this stuff? Farrakhan sites or revisionist Wikipedia? |
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So, we are supposed to ignore what the major political parties were like before the year 1972, concentrate on the year 1972 and forget what the parties are like right now. Nah, I don't think so. Anyway, I'm on Tweety's side. not at all Dido just don't confuse todays political parties with yesterdays the states wanting to secede to maintain slavery were Alabama, florida, Georgia, Louisiana, missisippi, sc, tx, nc, Arkansas, Tennessee ,vrgina, 90th congress senate (1969) 64 democrats 36 republicans Alabama 2 dems florida 2 dems Georgia 2 dems Louisiana 2 dems misspi 2 dems s Carolina 1rep/1 dem TX 1 rp/ 1 dem NC 2 dems tn 1 rp/1 dm Virginia 2 dems Arkansas 2 dems secessionist states, represented in 1969 by 19 dms and 3 reps jump to todays senate Alabama 2 reps florida 1 rp/ 1dm Georgia 2 reps Louisiana 2 reps mississ 2 rps sc 2 reps texas 2 reps nc 2 reps TN 2 reps virgina 2 dems Arkansas 2 republicans the stats that fought for slavery are now rpresntd by 18 republicans and 3 democrats not my imagination, and not spin just the numbrs flip flopping ,,,,, |
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The fact that southern states are now represented by Republicans doesn't mean that the GOP is racist.
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look at regional voting,,,,southerners and conservatives have not been supportive of civil rghts northerners and 'liberals' have the republican party was once much more about 'liberal' policy todays republican party is not,,, the 'liberals' people love to hate in the modern era are democrats What kind of nonsense is this? Southerners and Conservatives? How do you even quantify those two groups? The Northerners(most of them) were republican and very conservative(defined by constitutional rights for all) Southerns(the more liberal) were mostly Democrats who had a very liberal interpretation of the constitution(thought it only applied to white people) Where do you get this stuff? Farrakhan sites or revisionist Wikipedia? I put up the numbers in a previous post conservative: a. disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change;) most relevant and well known to this discussion are those fighting to maintain the institution of slavery,, 11 states who wanted to secede, those conservatives were once primiarly represented by democrats,, but now primarily by republicans |
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look at regional voting,,,,southerners and conservatives have not been supportive of civil rghts northerners and 'liberals' have the republican party was once much more about 'liberal' policy todays republican party is not,,, the 'liberals' people love to hate in the modern era are democrats What kind of nonsense is this? Southerners and Conservatives? How do you even quantify those two groups? The Northerners(most of them) were republican and very conservative(defined by constitutional rights for all) Southerns(the more liberal) were mostly Democrats who had a very liberal interpretation of the constitution(thought it only applied to white people) Where do you get this stuff? Farrakhan sites or revisionist Wikipedia? I put up the numbers in a previous post conservative: a. disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change;) most relevant and well known to this discussion are those fighting to maintain the institution of slavery,, 11 states who wanted to secede, those conservatives were once primiarly represented by democrats,, but now primarily by republicans maybe you should watch this, it was posted above...If you can actually watch something with an open mind...but don't think you'd get through the first 2 minutes  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPChn4_KgDU He defines the whole "liberal vs conservative" and how they have been hijacked by the Democrats. |
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I don't have sound on this computer
maybe later, but for now, the numbers and the actual definition and us in these threads, is explanation enough |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 08/09/16 12:58 PM
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The fact that southern states are now represented by Republicans doesn't mean that the GOP is racist. no more than the fact that yesterdays democrats opposed civil rights means that republicans of today aren't racist just saying, it would be understandable that the states that wanted to maintain slavery would align with parties that they felt met their conservative values previously, that was democrats, but recently its definitely republicans its equally predictable that those who were fighting to keep slavery would be on opposite political sides to those being enslaved thus, blacks typically have voted in the opposite party that the states wanting status quo slavery have blacks were supporting republicans when conservatives supported democrats,, but those numbers have changed |
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