Dear everything and everyone evangelises. Every time we put forward our opinion on any issue we are indirectly preaching. For example, every time you stand in the mirror it "preaches" to you that you are a product of intelligent design by an intelligent maker. Because the beautiful woman called Tmommy in the mirror is not an accident but exists by design.

Tmommy ,everything and everyone evangelises. Every time we put forward our opinion on any issue we are indirectly preaching. For example, every time you stand in the mirror it "preaches" to you that you are a product of intelligent design by an intelligent maker. Because the beautiful woman called Tmommy in the mirror is not an accident but exists by design.

They don't visit me anymore. Same with the Mormons.
My house is on the black list.
I see them walking pass and looking up my drive.

I guess discussing issues is not their thing.

And don't forget that every once in awhile a star explodes and destroys everything nearby into a vague mist.... no doubt owing to intelligent design,,,,

I don't see any relationship between the hyper-investigation of car related facilities and people trying to find the optimum way to live their lives, in light of their beliefs.

A more accurate simile would be to ask if you believe that your car was manufactured (instead of simply springing into being in your driveway), that you would consult the manufacturer's recommendations for best results.

I've known a lot of religious people, and not one of them have even attempted, as you suggest, to go to heaven, or to be buried alive, in order to investigate what happens to humans under such circumstances.

I personally think that "respecting others sensibilities as much as I wish to have my own respected" to be a basic act of American patriotism. I suggest you consider that for yourself. It helps me get along with others, rather than fight them all the time.

...Going with the title...yup...very much driven by God...and even though I get pissy with him..I always thank him at the end of my day..and first thing in the morning I invite him to tag along..and he walks with me all day..so does that make me walked by God...more so than driven..?

Man! that is so sweet of you to say.....and here I was thinking the US had only one God....called the Almighty Dollar.....thanks for sharing that...

Well put you two and thanks.

. I treat my car like my women I just get in and drive.. until the wheels fall off.lol..... don't think much about religion.. I'm sure when the time comes for me to meet my maker..
I'll have plenty of questions for him then... but for right now I'm sure he's too busy figuring out how Rubik's Cube actually works..lol

And that manual we get in our metaphorical car, is a little book called the Holy Qur'an. Those who truly believe will be guided to it, inshaAllah

Alhumdulillah, as He has used profits in the past you spread His Word, Muslims today are God's Messengers and His Servants leading all ye who believe to the path of righteousness

I agree with you about Tmommy, as she is fine, but I have to part company with you on "intelligent design by an intelligent maker." What kind of intelligent maker would do dumb **** like create men with foreskins and then tell them that they have to snip them off?!

With a car you can always find the manufacturers manual
It can be a bit confusing if its written in a foreign language
It can be even more difficult if it is both in a different language and from a different manufacturer.
So sometimes you need to not rely on confusing and misleading manuals and work it out for yourself.
Because every one knows you cant rely on mechanics as they are too inclined to rip you off

Genesis 17
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

But this isn't an instruction for people in general. This was a specific instruction too a specific person/group of persons for a specific reason.

4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.


Acts 15:5

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Circumcision in this context was a "Jewish" thing and is not reinforced in the NT "where Christians' salvation begins" as laws in OT are fulfilled in the NT and Jesus confirms this when he was on the cross right before he gave up the ghost when he says "It is finished". There is no instruction in the NT from Jesus on circumcision. We are saved now through faith, rather then works... including the work of circumcision. It was purely a "display" to God for the above reasons mentioned in Genesis, that we are no longer held accountable for. Thus why we are made with foreskin and was once told too remove it. It's not a "malfunction" in God's design or anything of sorts. Just a way for them too have displayed their gratitude and faith.

Acts 15

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

I've been expecting you, Sir. And, I assumed that you would say pretty much exactly what you said.

First off, circumcision isn't actually a "Jewish" thing. The Egyptians practiced circumcision before the Jews did, and it was probably from them that the Jews picked up the barbarous practice.

But, even assuming that what you say is true, and Yahweh really did tell the Jews to circumcise themselves, while everyone else was free (And is free to this day.) to remain un-snipped, that is totally irrelevant to my point.

The idea that an All-Wise intelligent designer would create human males with a foreskin, and then tell ANY of them to snip it off, is asinine.

That said, I see that you are asserting that the point of this hideous practice was not to correct a manufacturing error, but rather:



So, God likes looking at penises, eh? Perhaps God is female, after all.
Or, gay. Come to think of it...perhaps all that stuff in the OT about stoning homosexuals was a result of his own feelings of self-hate and guilt.
Yes, I admit it, I'm just winding you up with that one. Couldn't resist.

Anyway, you say that circumcision was:



While I am certainly not looking a gift-horse in the mouth, as I'm all for this practice being done away with, why would Yahweh change his mind about this? If this was such an important means of showing our gratitude, and was such for many centuries, why was it suddenly deemed unnecessary? By the way, I realize the we already covered the fact that you don't know why God chose to use two different covenants, in the other thread. I'm asking these questions rhetorically, to inspire thought. To me, it seems far more likely that an All-Knowing and All-Wise god wouldn't use two different covenants, because he would be smart enough to come up with the correct solution the first place. But, maybe I give God too much credit.

Furthermore, don't you find it a trifle sick that a supposed All-Loving god would require some of his children to mutilate their genitalia as a means of showing him how much they love him? Particularly in light of how many of them likely died from infections as a result of the procedure. And please don't tell me about how the procedure was done on the eight day, and how modern science has found that that is the point in the infant's life where clotting factors are highest, etc, etc, etc. I've heard all that before. We're still talking about very unsanitary conditions, and death from infections after injuries were VERY common. Besides, many adult converts had to go through the unnecessary procedure as well.

Besides:

1 Samuel 16:7

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

Based on Yahweh's words there, such outward displays were completely unnecessary, anyway. And, if you like, I can also quote the passages that state that Yahweh picked Jeremiah and Paul to be his buds even while they were still in the womb. Kinda' hard to demonstrate ones "gratitude and faith" while still floating around in amniotic fluid.

Bottom line: I maintain that the notion that God demanded that sharp implements be used on ANYONE'S penis is ridiculous.

In keeping with the topic of the thread, i.e. "Driven by God," I thought some of you might like this:

https://www.thrillist.com/cars/what-would-jesus-drive-all-the-cars-in-the-bible-from-the-old-to-the-new-testament

Why would he like looking at penises in general? And where did you come up with this inclination? If he liked looking at penises don't you think he would just create one or more too look at if that was his intentions? Why or how did you come up with a question if I may inquire as such?

I was just kidding you on that part, Sir.

lol ok sorry, it's just kind of hard too see humor in a text/typing kind of discussion. My apologies lol

No problem. I understand totally. :)
I have an off the wall sense of humor, anyway.