Topic: History Teacher Stomps On American Flag In Classroom
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Wed 09/21/16 01:02 PM
History teacher's lesson includes stomping American Flag in classroom

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/09/21/history-teachers-lesson-includes-stomping-american-flag-in-classroom.html?cmpid=NL_morninghl/
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A North Carolina history teacher is facing a firestorm of controversy after he allegedly stomped on an American Flag inside a public school classroom.

The incident happened Monday at Massey Hill Classical high School in Fayetteville – home to Fort Bragg and one of the most patriotic communities in the nation.

“What that teacher did was a gut punch to all the military kids at that school,” one outraged parent told me. “More so to the ones with deployed parents and unforgivably so to Gold Star kids who lost a parent who fought under that flag. It is indefensible.”

A spokesperson for Cumberland County Superintendent Frank Till Jr. told me they are investigating the allegations and will not comment until the probe is completed. The spokesperson could not say if the teacher has been removed from the classroom.

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Wed 09/21/16 01:32 PM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Wed 09/21/16 01:36 PM
Tsk tsk! grumble

This is going to be interesting.
Obviously this teacher does not know what the regulations & protocol are for how to treat the American flag. Or he does know.... & there is a method to his madness spock

And I am VERY curious as to what his background is. spock

If people as individuals & organizations, public (like this school), & private do not start standing up for our country or anything we believe in .... We are f*c*ed.
From the inside out.

Not saying, ' NO' is saying 'YES'
Not saying or doing anything is letting people who scream the loudest win. If you are afraid or uncomfortable or don't want to rock the boat.... blah blah blah. Then you are letting other people determine the future for your children. And you have no one to blame but YOURSELF.


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Wed 09/21/16 02:09 PM
As a parent, I would speak up. Can't have religion. ...blah blah blah in the class. ..leave the politics out

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Wed 09/21/16 02:58 PM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Wed 09/21/16 03:02 PM


Lee Francis.... The Flag Stepper grumble



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Wed 09/21/16 03:00 PM
Until you know his true motive,passing judgement is a bit premature.
Blind subservience is a determining factor in any fascist movement,and a flag burning is a strong form of protest,that should be reserved for extreme circumstances. I have displayed an American flag on my wall,or in my window since I was 15 years old.I once owned a full size garrison flag which I donated to the boy scouts. With that said,I believe we are in some rather extreme times in the political field,and there are some of us who are very patriotic,and yet will go to extremes to make a statement.

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Wed 09/21/16 03:09 PM
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Until you know his true motive,passing judgement is a bit premature.

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I could care less what his motive is.
There shouldn't be any exceptions or special circumstances. Including not likely the way people precieve things to be & foreigners claiming they are offended.

The American flag is being disgraced, disrespected, & removed all across the country.

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Wed 09/21/16 03:51 PM

Until you know his true motive,passing judgement is a bit premature.




NOPE!!!! It is against "Flag Protocol
As a teacher he is an example to his students period..


Blind subservience is a determining factor in any fascist movement,and a flag burning is a strong form of protest,that should be reserved for extreme circumstances. I have displayed an American flag on my wall,or in my window since I was 15 years old.I once owned a full size garrison flag which I donated to the boy scouts. With that said,I believe we are in some rather extreme times in the political field,and there are some of us who are very patriotic,and yet will go to extremes to make a statement.


Well I will agree we are in extreme times and yet if a persons agenda is to piss of patriotic people then carry on.

There are so many better ways to protest and still be respectful but somehow in the last 8 or so years it has become to the "norm" to protest and be disrespectful at the same time.

As an American I believe in "Freedom of Speech" and yet when my "Freedom of Speech is censored because it offends and this is okay... We have a problem Houston...

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Wed 09/21/16 03:51 PM
the flag is a symbol of an idea so no matter what you do to the flag it is stronger than its being burned, spit on or otherwise desecrated and getting all emotional simply demonstrates ignorance of what a symbol means and represents. Just as though someone saying America is crap is somehow ultimately meaningful when its just an emotional statement used to get others aroused and has not merit unless being manipulated by verbiage, or actions that others find objectionable which is usually the point to arouse ignorant people when they are not actually being insulted unless they buy into the silly demonstration of offensive language or behavior.. Defending a flag is misdirected loyalty as you cannot destroy an idea with any symbolic gesture and not knowing this simply reflects on the ignorance of the people being manipulated....

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Wed 09/21/16 04:35 PM


Until you know his true motive,passing judgement is a bit premature.




NOPE!!!! It is against "Flag Protocol
As a teacher he is an example to his students period..


Blind subservience is a determining factor in any fascist movement,and a flag burning is a strong form of protest,that should be reserved for extreme circumstances. I have displayed an American flag on my wall,or in my window since I was 15 years old.I once owned a full size garrison flag which I donated to the boy scouts. With that said,I believe we are in some rather extreme times in the political field,and there are some of us who are very patriotic,and yet will go to extremes to make a statement.


Well I will agree we are in extreme times and yet if a persons agenda is to piss of patriotic people then carry on.

There are so many better ways to protest and still be respectful but somehow in the last 8 or so years it has become to the "norm" to protest and be disrespectful at the same time.

As an American I believe in "Freedom of Speech" and yet when my "Freedom of Speech is censored because it offends and this is okay... We have a problem Houston...



I thought patriotic people revered RIGHTS,, one of which is freedom of speech and expression

but perhaps its more patriotic to revere the flag, than the rights of the americans it allegedly represents

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Wed 09/21/16 04:35 PM

the flag is a symbol of an idea so no matter what you do to the flag it is stronger than its being burned, spit on or otherwise desecrated and getting all emotional simply demonstrates ignorance of what a symbol means and represents. Just as though someone saying America is crap is somehow ultimately meaningful when its just an emotional statement used to get others aroused and has not merit unless being manipulated by verbiage, or actions that others find objectionable which is usually the point to arouse ignorant people when they are not actually being insulted unless they buy into the silly demonstration of offensive language or behavior.. Defending a flag is misdirected loyalty as you cannot destroy an idea with any symbolic gesture and not knowing this simply reflects on the ignorance of the people being manipulated....



drinker drinker drinker well put!

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Wed 09/21/16 04:36 PM


i hope there is a consequence for that guy....way to many crazy people out there

getting away with this stuff.....

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Wed 09/21/16 04:44 PM
Oh...

#blackliesmatter at it again.


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Wed 09/21/16 04:46 PM
crazy stuff like a history teacher teaching about rights?

yeah, we gotta get rid of them,,,,,



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Wed 09/21/16 04:46 PM



Until you know his true motive,passing judgement is a bit premature.




NOPE!!!! It is against "Flag Protocol
As a teacher he is an example to his students period..


Blind subservience is a determining factor in any fascist movement,and a flag burning is a strong form of protest,that should be reserved for extreme circumstances. I have displayed an American flag on my wall,or in my window since I was 15 years old.I once owned a full size garrison flag which I donated to the boy scouts. With that said,I believe we are in some rather extreme times in the political field,and there are some of us who are very patriotic,and yet will go to extremes to make a statement.


Well I will agree we are in extreme times and yet if a persons agenda is to piss of patriotic people then carry on.

There are so many better ways to protest and still be respectful but somehow in the last 8 or so years it has become to the "norm" to protest and be disrespectful at the same time.

As an American I believe in "Freedom of Speech" and yet when my "Freedom of Speech is censored because it offends and this is okay... We have a problem Houston...



I thought patriotic people revered RIGHTS,, one of which is freedom of speech and expression

but perhaps its more patriotic to revere the flag, than the rights of the americans it allegedly represents


Absolutely I agree with it.. My question is..


When does Freedom of Speech become Abuse to others..When does one persons opinion become absolute?


When did "Freedom of Speech" involve destroying actual property???


Correct me if I am wrong but where in the Constitution does Freedom of Speech condone property to be destroyed or has there been a new Amendment?



As a Patriotic American I also believe in Flag protocol...

I guess some haven't actually researched why our National Anthem was written the way it was written...Why the words were chosen...

The Flag isn't a false idol it is a representation of our Nation and all we stand for.

I would no more damage the Koran or the Bible... Somethings are just to be respected...IMHO The Flag is one of them. Doesn't mean that I have to believe in what is written but I have to respect it.

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Wed 09/21/16 04:49 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 09/21/16 04:52 PM
lol,, what does this have to do with 'black'?



anyway,

abuse of others isn't anything to do with our own inanimate objects/purchases



the details aren't there,, if he destroyed others property, that's a crime

if he is destroying his own, its his right

anyone can purchase flag, and do what they wish with their purchase

I dont have to 'respect' inanimate objects, and neither does anyone else, but any of us can 'choose' to, and they dont even have to mean the same thing to me as to everyone or anyone else

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Wed 09/21/16 04:59 PM

crazy stuff like a history teacher teaching about rights?

yeah, we gotta get rid of them,,,,,



like a history teacher teaching the wrong kind of rights


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Wed 09/21/16 04:59 PM

what is the 'wrong kind of rights?" its a right or it isnt


That's your problem, you don't know.

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Wed 09/21/16 05:03 PM
what is the 'wrong kind of rights?" its a right or it isnt

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Wed 09/21/16 05:11 PM
rofl rofl rofl

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Wed 09/21/16 08:10 PM
Not saying, ' NO' is saying 'YES'

So there is absolutely no room for tolerance, live and let live, compromise, respecting the decisions of others, or getting along.

If my kid says to me "I want to have sex with my girlfriend," then if I don't say "no!" if I don't actively oppose him wanting to have sex with his girlfriend...well that "must" mean I want him to have sex with his girlfriend, and by not actively trying to keep him from his girlfriend then he should take that to mean I want to help him have sex with her.

So when he comes home and says "hey dad! My girlfriend is pregnant!" and I say "huh?" he is justified in saying "well, it's all thanks to you, you pushed me into it by not locking me in my room after I hit puberty! You didn't say no, so you were saying yes!"

That's a great philosophy believing not saying "no" is saying "yes."
Helps make things black and white and absolute. Us or them. With me or against me. Such a safe place to be.

When does Freedom of Speech become Abuse to others

Practically speaking, when it fulfills a legal definition of abuse, harm, or abridging the rights of someone else?

When does one persons opinion become absolute?

Who's asking it to be? Other than those getting mad over flag stepping/stomping/immolation and wanting some sort of legal protection, retribution or something to happen to those doing it?

I mean "I also believe in Flag protocol...Somethings are just to be respected...IMHO The Flag is one of them."

You are basically saying "my opinion, my belief in flag protocol, should be absolute, universal, that everyone should respect it."

When did "Freedom of Speech" involve destroying actual property?

The revolutionary war? Lots of destruction of actual property in the name of protecting or expressing rights.
The Boston tea party?
Women burning their bras?
Men burning their draft cards?
Fireworks on the fourth of July?
Cutting down a tree to celebrate a religious holiday?
Sometime around then?

Correct me if I am wrong but where in the Constitution does Freedom of Speech condone property to be destroyed or has there been a new Amendment?

The constitution doesn't condone speaking, art, or the internet, either.
You want to outlaw anything that isn't specifically condoned by the constitution?