Topic: 22 Reasons to Vote For Trump
msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:03 PM




both lie, so the character assassination is irrelevant

and its hard to claim 'self made' when you are given tens of millions of dollars to start with and an already established business, name, and network of banks and colleagues

and that 'success' means little without accompanying integrity


what self made billionaire has lots of integrity? trumps daddy didn't build the casinos, hotels or towers, he did...

you mean the casinos and towers that didnt go bankrupt?..lol

Trump didnt build them, but some illegal immigrants were involved and some of his daddys money, and some banks whose relationships were well established by the Trump name already


i take it you're happy with the amount of moneys collected by the clintons from the muslim countries?




as happy as I am about the moneys collected from christian countries

msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:05 PM


but the Feds have knocked on Trumps door nearly a couple hundred times actually


does it bother you to beat your wife?

(thats called a loaded question because it assumes a truth thats not proven)


but to the point,, no more than it bothers me for them to OWE anything to anyone who has supported them,, like voters,,


i don't know, i see no proof of that.. but i do know they haven't knocked on trumps door while he's been running for prez...






haa,, so when it happens makes it somehow less scandalous or nefarious?


msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:07 PM



I said both have 'lied' ,by the common use of the word




Yeah, which means if they lied.. they are liars.. about as common usage as it gets.

you are a liar or you are not.. simple as that.

So, if Hillary has lied, as you stated. How do you know when she is lying and when she is telling the truth?

If you are a liar.. none of your words can be trusted.





very true all of it. Good post.

not to single out any particular member, however for example, if a poster made a statement, and posted a citation to validate the statement, then when examining the citation only to discover the citation does not validate the statement the poster made, a court would conclude was a lie with intent to lie.










no court could prove 'intent' ,,liar

I have seen the footage and based on the title mistook the video to be the same,, without being able to hear it because my laptop has blown out speakers

its not serious enough for me to make the effort to try to deceive about anything


msharmony's photo
Tue 11/01/16 11:17 PM
lying is about character

its a copout to say a citizen being a liar will therefore be better than a poltician because they are a liar

either being a liar is bad for the office or it isnt

and trump lies

and also has had many federal investigations of his own in the industry he is in from anti trust violations to housing discrimination

no,, none in politics, but only because he hasnt had that position ,,yet


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Wed 11/02/16 04:39 AM
yes, and Hillary is a very experienced well seasoned.. liar

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Wed 11/02/16 06:07 AM
Saint Hillary can do no wrong!grumble noway laugh

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Wed 11/02/16 09:35 AM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 11/02/16 09:42 AM
http://ilovemyfreedom.org/mega-donor-has-committed-25000000-to-bring-hillary-clinton-down-wow/

http://theduran.com/general-michael-flynn-blasts-hillary-clinton-crimes-america-im-sick-step-video/

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Wed 11/02/16 02:51 PM

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Wed 11/02/16 03:26 PM



I said both have 'lied' ,by the common use of the word




Yeah, which means if they lied.. they are liars.. about as common usage as it gets.

you are a liar or you are not.. simple as that.

So, if Hillary has lied, as you stated. How do you know when she is lying and when she is telling the truth?

If you are a liar.. none of your words can be trusted.






Im considering my audience,, who use 'lie' incorrectly anytime someones usage of words mismatches facts

LIE, actually requires an INTENT to deceive,, many errors and mistakes of facts are made without an intent to deceive,, which is obvious from the repeated nonsense in these threads who BELIEVE what they are saying is true, and therefore not 'lying',,,

and both Trump and Hilary have been caught in this 'lying' scenario many times


I agree, if you are a liar, you intend to decieve and cant be trusted

if you are just mistaken or misinformed, your words cant be trusted either



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your audience... Lol, sorry that just cracks me up...;).. and thanks' for considering " us" in your responses.


msharmony's photo
Thu 11/03/16 12:02 AM

yes, and Hillary is a very experienced well seasoned.. liar


people at that level,,(hers and his) usually are...

but she happens to also be experienced in other RELEVANT experience and skills

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/03/16 12:03 AM




I said both have 'lied' ,by the common use of the word




Yeah, which means if they lied.. they are liars.. about as common usage as it gets.

you are a liar or you are not.. simple as that.

So, if Hillary has lied, as you stated. How do you know when she is lying and when she is telling the truth?

If you are a liar.. none of your words can be trusted.






Im considering my audience,, who use 'lie' incorrectly anytime someones usage of words mismatches facts

LIE, actually requires an INTENT to deceive,, many errors and mistakes of facts are made without an intent to deceive,, which is obvious from the repeated nonsense in these threads who BELIEVE what they are saying is true, and therefore not 'lying',,,

and both Trump and Hilary have been caught in this 'lying' scenario many times


I agree, if you are a liar, you intend to decieve and cant be trusted

if you are just mistaken or misinformed, your words cant be trusted either



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your audience... Lol, sorry that just cracks me up...;).. and thanks' for considering " us" in your responses.





its how debate works

audience: a group of people who gather together to listen to something (such as a concert) or watch something

these threads are VIEWED by many,,an audience you might say

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Thu 11/03/16 08:48 AM


yes, and Hillary is a very experienced well seasoned.. liar


people at that level,,(hers and his) usually are...

but she happens to also be experienced in other RELEVANT experience and skills


Good luck trying to polish that turd. laugh

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Thu 11/03/16 01:28 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 11/03/16 01:29 PM

Opinion: Five things Democrats won’t tell you about Hillary Clinton

Promises, promises. By all rights, this should be the subtext of every presidential election campaign. Candidates promise us the moon and deliver something far less celestial. All that pie-in-the-sky stuff about healing the planet and slowing the rise of the oceans? Time is running out for President Barack Obama to deliver on his 2008 campaign pledges.

The 2016 presidential campaign has been a contest between a catch-all slogan — “Make America Great Again” — and a long list of policy priorities and promises for every interest group imaginable. Unpleasant realities, such as budget constraints, get airbrushed or buried. Getting elected is the priority. And that means telling voters what they want to hear.

Ergo, it’s my job to put my ear to the ground and reveal the five things the Democrats don’t dare tell us. (Republicans, your turn is coming next week.)

1. Clinton is a neo-con in progressive clothing

It’s no surprise that some of the Republican foreign policy establishment are supporting Democrat Hillary Clinton over Republican Donald Trump. As a senator from New York, Clinton voted to invade Iraq in 2003. As secretary of state, she pressured Obama to intervene in Libya to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi in 2011, later joking that “we came, we saw, he died.” And she pushed to enforce a no-fly zone over Syria.

More importantly, she’s married to Bill Clinton, who governed as a centrist Democrat. Couples don’t necessarily agree on politics, but there was nothing in Clinton’s words and deeds — at least until Bernie Sanders proved a challenge in the primary and Elizabeth Warren started nipping at her heels — to suggest she would be a progressive’s dream candidate. Only time will tell.

2. Equal pay for women equals fewer job opportunities for women

Clinton has been a long-time advocate for “women’s rights,” including equal pay for equal work. She supports the enactment of a Paycheck Fairness Act, a bill she introduced as a senator, “to give women the tools they need to fight discrimination in the workforce.”

Those “tools” for women are litigation costs for companies. Should women be paid the same as men for equal work? Of course. Is enacting a law the best way to achieve pay equality? No.

As the Republican Party's hopes of a Donald Trump presidency dwindle, congressional candidates have changed their strategy to warn of a President Hillary Clinton and the need for a congressional check on the executive office. Photo: AP

(Feminists, hold your fire. Read on.)

The private sector doesn’t have the same uniform pay scale and prescribed wage adjustments as the federal government. Two people may be hired for the same job, be it “machine tool operator” or “administrative assistant,” but they will perform differently. That’s why some people get a raise while others get a pink slip.

If businesses anticipate the expense of defending against lawsuits — in some cases, frivolous — by women who earn less than the guy sitting next to them, they will be less inclined to hire a woman. So Clinton’s best intentions will end up on that long list of initiatives that have unintended consequences.

3. Another day older and deeper in debt

Clinton claims that her extended list of spending proposals won’t add a dime to the deficit. And it’s true that her proposed tax increases on the rich and on business will almost pay for her proposed spending.

But the awful truth is that deficits and debt will explode later this decade based on current law. And nothing Clinton proposes will change that.

The Congressional Budget Office projects that publicly held debt will increase from $14 trillion, or 77% of gross domestic product, this year to $23 trillion, or 86% of GDP, in 2026 without any changes to current law. That’s more than triple the size of the debt in 2009, when Obama took office.

Not adding a penny to the deficit beyond what is circumscribed by current law is certainly better than what Trump is offering. But it is no panacea at a time when the U.S. is facing an explosion in mandatory spending — programs such as Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid, along with interest on the debt — that will swamp any modest increase in tax revenue, according to CBO.

4. Free, fair, fickle?

Trade is probably one of the few areas where the two political parties have moved closer together: closer together in their opposition to free trade. The extended hangover from the Great Recession has left blue-collar workers looking for a scapegoat. And elements of both parties have been happy to oblige with accusations that cheap foreign goods and cheap foreign workers are to blame.

Clinton was first lady when the North American Free Trade Agreement was signed into law in 1993. During her time in the Senate, she voted in favor of some trade deals and against others. And as secretary of state, she supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade agreement among 12 Pacific Rim nations.

Once she learned what was in it, she came out against the TPP. No doubt the public’s enthusiastic support for Sanders, who brags about opposing every trade deal in the Senate, helped nudge her to the left.

Clinton defends her current opposition to the TPP, claiming it doesn’t meet her high standard of “raising wages, creating good-paying jobs and enhancing national security,” according to the candidate’s website. But in a 2013 speech to Latin American bankers, released by Wikileaks, Clinton said her “dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders.”

Bottom line: Clinton is more closely aligned with the Democratic establishment on free trade than with its opponents. But there will be plenty of time to pivot publicly once she is settled in the White House.

5. Middle class taxes will have to go up

Clinton has pledged not to raise taxes on the middle class, which she defines as those earning less than $250,000 a year. That means the burden of underwriting all the “free” stuff she’s proposing will fall on a scant 3% of households, according to estimates by the Tax Policy Center for the year 2014. (Official IRS tax data are available only through 2013.)

There are simply not enough rich people as it is to underwrite the promises the federal government has made to the elderly. By 2026, spending on entitlements and interest payments alone will consume almost all the tax revenue coming in to the Treasury, according to CBO.

The top 5% of taxpayers already pay 59% of the federal income taxes. Are the rich really going to fork over more tax revenue with putting up a fight?

Full disclosure: Item No. 5 has been a fixture of my quadrennial columns since 2008 on what both parties are hiding. One of these years, I’m bound to be right.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/five-things-democrats-wont-tell-you-about-hillary-clinton-2016-10-26?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/03/16 02:11 PM


Better qualified means better at hiring the right people for the job and being better at managing them.

Hillary has shown none of that MsH.


Presidents dont do the hiring,,,,,,they are a public service position

being better qualified is having public service experience, passion, and knowledge of what public service entails as well as knowledge of the constitution , ability to secure allies, and knowledge of the three branches of government and their powers,,,,


Trump has shown none of that,,,



the president does do the hiring he hires those in the cabinet

those in the cabinet then run that area of the govt

yes trump has done that he has a muti-billion dollar business thus
has been very successful at hiring the right people to run his projects (equivalent to the presidential cabinet)

where has clinton shown any achievement other than hiding her shenanigans and misleading the very people she is supposed to be representing

after all what does it matter now
(that she let people get killed in Benghazi)
i bet it matters a lot to their families and anyone that has
a moral moral compass

adj4u's photo
Thu 11/03/16 02:15 PM


yes, and Hillary is a very experienced well seasoned.. liar


people at that level,,(hers and his) usually are...

but she happens to also be experienced in other RELEVANT experience and skills



if you were going to hire a construction company

would you hire the experienced company with a terrible reputation
for doing a shoddy job with proof of their shoddy work all around
the world

or

hire the construction company with less experience but has been very
successful at building other things and has proof of that success all
around the world


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Thu 11/03/16 02:31 PM

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/03/16 02:46 PM


yes, and Hillary is a very experienced well seasoned.. liar


people at that level,,(hers and his) usually are...

but she happens to also be experienced in other RELEVANT experience and skills

Clinton Syndicate-Skills?

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Thu 11/03/16 06:24 PM



yes, and Hillary is a very experienced well seasoned.. liar


people at that level,,(hers and his) usually are...

but she happens to also be experienced in other RELEVANT experience and skills

Clinton Syndicate-Skills?



yeh but look what she has done for women and children!






Everyone wants their sons and daughters to grow up to be just like the Clintons! The envy of America!

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Thu 11/03/16 07:20 PM