Topic: whatever happened
Toodygirl5's photo
Sun 07/22/18 09:22 PM
Forgiveness helps us to move forward to a newer relationship.

dreamerana's photo
Sun 07/22/18 09:25 PM
Agreed

darkowl1's photo
Sun 07/22/18 09:41 PM
Edited by darkowl1 on Sun 07/22/18 09:41 PM
I will forgive anyone for most things, even some hurtful vile things... (I do draw the line at child molestation, rape, or serial killing)

But... when I do something wrong, (which I try to avoid doing) I on the other hand do NOT under ANY circumstances, want to be forgiven, even for the most minor thing. I want my misgivings. all of them. (Christians call them sins from what I have heard)

I do this because I LEARN to never EVER cross that line again. I haven't crossed it in many years, and I want to stay that way.

People that DO cross that line, justify why they should do so. most sane entities know where that line is, but they justify a reason for crossing it, even to go as far as making it a "tease, or joke".

Nope. the line is there for a reason.

Rock's photo
Sun 07/22/18 11:26 PM
Huh?

no photo
Mon 07/23/18 12:16 AM

Huh?



I agree with you.
Maybe he has a different definition of wrong,like I pressed the wrong button.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Mon 07/23/18 02:55 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal 💖💎 on Mon 07/23/18 02:57 AM

Forgiveness helps us to move forward to a newer relationship.

True, but not always easy. I think mostly because forgiving is not so much about the other person, it is about you yourself, and loving yourself enough to forgive you.
Forgiving makes you feel better as it means you move back into love after you've been holding a grudge, been upset etc. and that's why it feels so good. A relief. In a way you forgive yourself.
The other person won't consciously know whether or not you forgive them, they'll do whatever they're doing.

I'm still working on moving back into love so I can forgive. I'm in between, in no-man's land so to speak. I kind of there, but not fully yet. And in a way that has nothing to do with him, it's my own hurt ego that's in the way still.
I'll get there, but it's going to take a little while longer. I want to, but it's something you simply cannot will to happen.

no photo
Mon 07/23/18 07:15 AM

Forgiveness helps us to move forward to a newer relationship. Toodygirl5


I think it depends on the conflict, infidelity is one thing, but physical abuse where children is involved or beating a spouse I really dont think forgiveness is in order.


no photo
Mon 07/23/18 07:25 AM

Forgiveness helps us to move forward to a newer relationship.


I do forgive, but somethings take a lot of time for me to forgive. Somethings hurt to the bone and just take time.

I have forgiven at times but then made it clear to the person that I never want to bother with them again again.

no photo
Mon 07/23/18 07:42 AM
I forgive people right away. It doesn't mean I accept or condone what they did, and I may not communicate with them.

It clears my heart and brain, as I recognize my own shortcomings.

Stu's photo
Mon 07/23/18 07:47 AM
One big thing is to forgive yourself, as well as others...

Have a hard time with #1 myself..

Easttowest72's photo
Mon 07/23/18 08:09 AM
Forgiveness is tough. It's hard to move on when the ex keeps contact.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Mon 07/23/18 08:09 AM


Forgiveness helps us to move forward to a newer relationship.

True, but not always easy. I think mostly because forgiving is not so much about the other person, it is about you yourself, and loving yourself enough to forgive you.
Forgiving makes you feel better as it means you move back into love after you've been holding a grudge, been upset etc. and that's why it feels so good. A relief. In a way you forgive yourself.
The other person won't consciously know whether or not you forgive them, they'll do whatever they're doing.

I'm still working on moving back into love so I can forgive. I'm in between, in no-man's land so to speak. I kind of there, but not fully yet. And in a way that has nothing to do with him, it's my own hurt ego that's in the way still.
I'll get there, but it's going to take a little while longer. I want to, but it's something you simply cannot will to happen.


This is the most important response here. It's what I learned over the too many years I've been around as well.

Something else I would add to this, is that it isn't possible to GENUINELY forgive someone or something that happened, so long as you don't understand how it could have been done by a rational and caring person.

One more thing: not all forgiveness is equal. Sometimes I can forgive someone completely and want them in my life again, but if the offense is bad enough, the most I can do is see an end to my anger at them. And in the worst cases, all I can come to, is to rearrange my own life, so that I am no longer vulnerable to what they did, and to forgive myself, for having allowed them to damage me as they did.


Stu's photo
Mon 07/23/18 08:31 AM

Forgiveness is tough. It's hard to move on when the ex keeps contact.


I'm still best friends with #2.. she's still family to me. It just didn't work out, but I love hanging with her and her husband. Bunch of crazies...

#1 can burn in heck...

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 07/23/18 08:37 AM
There are exceptions as in anything when considering the uniqueness of individuals.
Forgiveness is only needed when someone's resentment causes them pain or malcontent.
If you're torn up inside over something, forgiveness can return you to inner peace.
There are people that are not torn up inside. Don't need to forgive that particular offense or person. They don't need to forgive to find contentment.

For example, if someone does you wrong once and changes their behavior forgiveness is prudent. But, if that person continues to do you wrong, forgiveness must be constant and the forgiveness itself can cause malcontent.

Some people will abuse, spite and betray you anytime they can. The only way to handle them is to get them out of your life. You can't forgive them because the abuse, spite and betrayal is ongoing. You forgiving them constantly does absolutely nothing to change them or their behavior towards you or those you love. It is unwise to forgive those people.

If someone is your friend and they betray you by beating you and you forgive them, do you remain friends with that person? If not, because you know they will betray you again, you might think you forgive them but you didn't. If you did forgive them, they would still be the same level of friend they once were.

Anger, like love, is a purely personal emotion and sometimes anger is justified.

olivepit's photo
Mon 07/23/18 12:08 PM
Turning the dogs loose and treeing them works for me.