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Edited by
karmafury
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Sumthing.... I think it should have meaning to everyone and there are more than just Americans on JSH! JMO Oh I don;t mean any disrespect..as I said before..I feel sorry for the family and friends. But to America it means nothing. They have been fighting in that region foerever and will continue, no matter who is leader. They had tried many times before to do this..even most of the experts agree..it was only a matter of time. So was not any surprise. I just don't like seeing Americans getting involved in something they are NOT ALLOWED to win. we have not won a war/conflict since WWII....and why is that??? It's because the USA has been allowing this country to be run by GRRED and IDIOTS. I hate seeing Americans die for someone elses GREED. It's NOT for FREEDOM, it's NOT for AMERICA..so let them kill there own like they have always and WILL always do..lets get Americans out.  To America it means the loss of a friend in a Muslim country. A friend who fought throughout her life against extremists. A woman elected to power in a Muslim country, not once but twice and would have been again. Also nobody asked for Americans to get involved. So stop with the 'we are tired of being the police to the world' line. Again it affects America in that they have lost a friend in a part of the world where they could could use, need to keep friends. Please do one thing..find out the actual "facts" regarding this country. It's kinda of like saying Saudi Arabia is our "freind" and "ally". What do you term as "friend or "ally"? Like with Saudie Arabia, our government terms them as an "ally" yet some 40+% of the rebal forces that go to KILL AMERICAN in IRAQ come from SAUDIE ARABIA!!! How can ANYONE consider them an "ALLY"??? Wow..I guess i just pick my "friends" a bit better and consider an "ally" as a place that does not send 40+% of our country men out to KILL MY FRIENDS! Benazir Bhutto was a friend to the U.S. A Harvard educated woman from a predominantly Muslim nation who wanted to give her people the same freedoms she "saw American people take for granted". The leader of a nation can be friendly, doesn't mean that the people have to follow. As I remember there are also groups in U.S. (militias - Oklahoma ring a bell) that are against the U.S. government, by your reasoning that means that not all Americans are friendly to U.S. Careful of who your friends are at home too. What matters is that someone who was friendly to U.S. interests, sought a better life for her people, wanted to bring stabilization to her country has gone. I forgot something. Check your geography. Pakistan is NOT part of Middle East. |
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Without oil...there would be no public transportation. With a limited supply of oil, the price of food and just about every good / service would skyrocket. It's simple economics. If it's $20 a gallon of gas, people are going to suffer. Some people will die of starvation. Some from contaminated water. Some from lack of medical care. Many more from exposure to the elements. World wide? Hundreds of millions is probably an understatement. Our world is very dependant upon oil. Our "vast" reserves? We have reserves of oil for a worldwide emergency. They shouldn't be used except in case of...an emergency. Besides, the US oil reserve is a 57 day supply, that's it. The majority of people don't own SUVs or Hummers, so that's a strawman. We aren't drilling in ANWR and the Gulf Region, because Democrats oppose that sort of legislation. So basically, your whole post was a long strawman based on some really silly assumptions on your part. Oh and yes, people lived quite well without oil. But at the same time, they weren't spread out all over the planet, they probably grew their own crops / raised animals or had someone nearby who did. They also knew how to preserve food for the winter months. If oil suddenly disappeared or we experianced a drastic reduction in oil supply, we would lose millions upon millions of people (mostly children and poor) while society adjusted to the new reality. First we are not talking about taking out "ALL" the oil in this factor. of course we can still use it. The key genuis is to CONSERVE IT and be LESS DEPENDANT ON IT! Public transportation should be the MAIN for of transportaion! Other countries do this quiet well. Even in the USA, we have been spread out coast to coast in the last 100 years! NOTHING has changed as far a geography..only the DEPENDENCE on the OIL! And no one would die from doing these things. In fact, millions die each day from starvation, disease and other very malicious causes, like the ethnic cleabnsing goin on right now. But where is the USA?? IN THE OIL LAND! And your "new reality" ..what a JOKE! The current "reality" is Americans have gotten spoiled, lazy, selfish, self centered, arrogant and many other BAD traits, and only from about the last 50 YEARS! In 1958, in most places in the country you did not even lock your dorrs when you left your home. You left you car keys in your car. Your neighbors knew you and you them and all watched out for each other. It was a "functional society" with a much keener sense of "community". JFK said it best when he said "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". It was the same with community and family. Now you have your "new reality"..well you can keep it, because it's WORTHLESS!  |
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Peace will happen for sure, you are witnessing the fight for it now...
We are not watching two people in a boxing ring going at it... it is all through proxy wars... the people dying even Bhutto (RIP) are just pawns... |
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Edited by
Sumthingdifferent
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Fri 12/28/07 04:36 PM
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Actualy the entire region enjoyed quite a bit of stability and freedom from the time Mohammed conquered it to about the 10th century. How old are you? I'm guessing you weren't around or old enough to remember the Ottamens before WW1. It hasn't always been "unstable" that's pure american myth. And america is not by the Qu'ran a muslim enemy, stop believing the western hype about the Qu'ran and go read it. Truth is most Muslims are peace loving people. To give up hope is to fail and in this case failure could be the downfall of the region. Keep your cynical attitude to yourself, if you can't be positive you can't help with a sollution;^] Ok let me clarify that term as to the "middle east" and that "region", I'm talking about that entire part of the world, and includes Isreal, Palastine, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Suadi Arabia, etc..all that region of the world. So yes, there has been times of peace between certain countries, but ALWAYS conflict from within, thats been well documented. No I'm not that old, 42, but know i have watched nothing but conflict between countries in that region since I have been alive and it still continues. My point is, nothing that "we" (American's) do there will do nothing. And our government wants n that region for one reason, thats where the majority of the oil supply is. So they are not true "allies", they are "bought" allies. Simple point, lets stop worrying about all the other countroes problems and get OURS here at HOME fixed FIRST...then we will be in better shape to help others. 
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What conflict from within before the 10th century? All of those regions were under the Islamic empire and were in general united behind their empire, Not only Muslims either, most everybody. We're a multitasking nation, no reason to be selfish and only concentrate on ourselves, that's like the rich man ignoring the salvation army donation booth because he had to pay an extra $5 for his shoes. Our problems pale in comparison to theirs;^]
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What conflict from within before the 10th century? All of those regions were under the Islamic empire and were in general united behind their empire, Not only Muslims either, most everybody. We're a multitasking nation, no reason to be selfish and only concentrate on ourselves, that's like the rich man ignoring the salvation army donation booth because he had to pay an extra $5 for his shoes. Our problems pale in comparison to theirs;^] Before the 10th century? That I would have to look up later (been up for two days, just got back in from Texas) The other conflicts I would think are quite evident. Iraq and iran at eaach other all the time, Isreal and Palastine, Syria. All the different clergy from within the countries always fighting for power and leadership..that has been constant since i been around. and of course just like Saudie Arabia, we consider "ally" yet 40+% of the foriegn fighters in Iraq to kill Americans are from saudie, so I would consider that a problem. And we have plenty of MAJOR problems here. Education being one of the main ones on my list of many. I have a nephew who is now 20 years old..got a high school diploma..but when sent to Sylvain to be tested for some "learning issues" he has the comprehension of a 5th grader! math is an 8th grade level...yet the SCHOOL PASS THESE KIDS!! WHY!!?? And health care, illegal immigrants, drugs, crime, etc. I think we should fix the USA first before any other place.
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As I said, between the time Mohammed conquered the region to the 10th century...... Also Iraq & Iran only became seperate from eachother after the fall of the Ottamens in WW1. You keep saying it's always been unstable over there, I say you haven't studied your history carefuly enough. Immigration? Please, because starving people doing what it takes to survive is sooooo wrong. Education? We've still got some of the best schools in the world. Drugs? Yeah, I agree prohibition is a problem. Still my point stands, our problems pale in comparision to theirs, and it's quite selfish to compare political assasinations to our "problems". But I'm not gonna continue argueing such cynicism, things don't get fixed that way & never have, just like protesting against the system here by not voting can never work;^]
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As I said, between the time Mohammed conquered the region to the 10th century...... Also Iraq & Iran only became seperate from eachother after the fall of the Ottamens in WW1. You keep saying it's always been unstable over there, I say you haven't studied your history carefuly enough. Immigration? Please, because starving people doing what it takes to survive is sooooo wrong. Education? We've still got some of the best schools in the world. Drugs? Yeah, I agree prohibition is a problem. Still my point stands, our problems pale in comparision to theirs, and it's quite selfish to compare political assasinations to our "problems". But I'm not gonna continue argueing such cynicism, things don't get fixed that way & never have, just like protesting against the system here by not voting can never work;^] Ok so they have more problems..let them take care fo thier own. If our problems are so small, why have we not fixed them in all these years??? They just approved, what was it $77 BILLION more dollars for this "war"?? And they can't fix our financial crisis in health care?? I think that sum would be a good start..and in education as well.
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Look, you're expecting america to be perfect, which it never will be. Guess we should have let europe fix their own problems in WW2, or maybe we should have let the victims of Edie Amin solve their own problems. Hell, at least we have a regulated health care system. Good will and freedom for all, including Pakistan;^]
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Look, you're expecting america to be perfect, which it never will be. Guess we should have let europe fix their own problems in WW2, or maybe we should have let the victims of Edie Amin solve their own problems. Hell, at least we have a regulated health care system. Good will and freedom for all, including Pakistan;^] No, don;t get me wrong, I definitely do not expect "perfect" or anywhere close. but a "minimum standard" should be set. Like any child "graduating" should be at that actual level of learning. We should ALL be able to get health care. etc. So no, not looking for "perfect", just a reasonable standard.
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As I said, between the time Mohammed conquered the region to the 10th century...... Also Iraq & Iran only became seperate from eachother after the fall of the Ottamens in WW1. You keep saying it's always been unstable over there, I say you haven't studied your history carefuly enough. Immigration? Please, because starving people doing what it takes to survive is sooooo wrong. Education? We've still got some of the best schools in the world. Drugs? Yeah, I agree prohibition is a problem. Still my point stands, our problems pale in comparision to theirs, and it's quite selfish to compare political assasinations to our "problems". But I'm not gonna continue argueing such cynicism, things don't get fixed that way & never have, just like protesting against the system here by not voting can never work;^] Ok so they have more problems..let them take care fo thier own. If our problems are so small, why have we not fixed them in all these years??? They just approved, what was it $77 BILLION more dollars for this "war"?? And they can't fix our financial crisis in health care?? I think that sum would be a good start..and in education as well. Sumthingdifferent, you keep refering to 'let them take care of their own problems' Who asked for American intervention there? NOBODY!!! Your President has already said what needed to be said for the situation. I didn't hear him offer to send aid. Nor did I hear anywhere on news that Pakistan asked for intervention. |
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As I said, between the time Mohammed conquered the region to the 10th century...... Also Iraq & Iran only became seperate from eachother after the fall of the Ottamens in WW1. You keep saying it's always been unstable over there, I say you haven't studied your history carefuly enough. Immigration? Please, because starving people doing what it takes to survive is sooooo wrong. Education? We've still got some of the best schools in the world. Drugs? Yeah, I agree prohibition is a problem. Still my point stands, our problems pale in comparision to theirs, and it's quite selfish to compare political assasinations to our "problems". But I'm not gonna continue argueing such cynicism, things don't get fixed that way & never have, just like protesting against the system here by not voting can never work;^] Ok so they have more problems..let them take care fo thier own. If our problems are so small, why have we not fixed them in all these years??? They just approved, what was it $77 BILLION more dollars for this "war"?? And they can't fix our financial crisis in health care?? I think that sum would be a good start..and in education as well. Sumthingdifferent, you keep refering to 'let them take care of their own problems' Who asked for American intervention there? NOBODY!!! Your President has already said what needed to be said for the situation. I didn't hear him offer to send aid. Nor did I hear anywhere on news that Pakistan asked for intervention. |
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Edited by
Sumthingdifferent
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Sat 12/29/07 10:29 AM
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Sumthingdifferent, you keep refering to 'let them take care of their own problems' Who asked for American intervention there? NOBODY!!! Your President has already said what needed to be said for the situation. I didn't hear him offer to send aid. Nor did I hear anywhere on news that Pakistan asked for intervention. I like that one thing you said. "I did not hear him (the US President) offer to send aid. Nor did I hear anywhere on the news that Pakastan asked for intervention". That's the EXACT type of "brainwashing" that we face with people in this world today! LOOK AT YOUR MENTALITY!!! Do you honestly think that what they FEED YOU in the MEDIA is REAL!!?? Do you think the media will show you EVERYTHING that is gooing on behind closed doors in the governments!!??? Where do you think Pakastan got the nukes!!??? From rubbing thier sticks and stones together and adding in some mud and baking it for 3 hours!!??  No! They got it from AMERICA! In trade for strategic positioning. The Pakastan government asked the US government , or the US goverment offered and the Pakastan goverment accepted. Not sure which has taken place, but either way, the two governments are in "bed" together. The majority of American people don't want our troops there. The American government is completely CORRUPT. You state "Your President"..well he's not mine, I never would vote for anyone who has a double digit IQ on a GOOD day. And again, as for who asked for who's help, or the offering of help, etc. That is pointless. BOTH governments are doing it for thier OWN AGENDAS. US for stategic positioning and Pakastan for US aid in economic development of Pakastan. So as usual, what's happening there is NOT the "will of the people", it is the governments. |
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You state "Your President"..well he's not mine, I never would vote for anyone who has a double digit IQ on a GOOD day. And again, as for who asked for who's help, or the offering of help, etc. That is pointless. BOTH governments are doing it for thier OWN AGENDAS. US for stategic positioning and Pakastan for US aid in economic development of Pakastan. Speaking of "media brainwashing"  Wether you like or dislike the President the fact is (not what you are brainwashed by the media to believe) he is the only president other then Woodrow Wilson to have earned a graduate degree.Wilson had a PHD and Bush has a Masters...he is quite smart as presidents go although the media has frequently label him some bumbling idiot. As for U.S. and or Pakistan doing it for there own agenda's...well duh...whose agenda should they be doing it for??? Brazils? Chinas ?? WoW you are so much brighter then our president to have seen through that one |
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Edited by
Sumthingdifferent
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Sat 12/29/07 04:20 PM
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Speaking of "media brainwashing" Wether you like or dislike the President the fact is (not what you are brainwashed by the media to believe) he is the only president other then Woodrow Wilson to have earned a graduate degree.Wilson had a PHD and Bush has a Masters...he is quite smart as presidents go although the media has frequently label him some bumbling idiot. As for U.S. and or Pakistan doing it for there own agenda's...well duh...whose agenda should they be doing it for??? Brazils? Chinas ?? WoW you are so much brighter then our president to have seen through that one The "own agenda" was like a retorical statement..duh!!  So Bush has a masters degree...just proves that money can BUY a lot without having to do or know chit! And it's NOT just the media who shows Bush as an IDIOT...it comes right from Bush HIMSELF!!! duh again!!! Is your last name Bush by chance????  And I'm not picking on Bush here..the whole US governemnt, the President and most of congress and senate are corrupt as hell. Oh LOOK! I just seen an internet ad..I can get my "masters degree" in 16 weeks! And a PHd in only 12 weeks after that! Guess those degrees will put me above Bush by the end of 2008!!! Wow, I will be so much more because I have a piece of paper that I "bought"!!! WOW!!! (yes, this was meant to be sarcastic to clarify!) |
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"So Bush has a masters degree...just proves that money can BUY a lot without having to do or know chit!
And it's NOT just the media who shows Bush as an IDIOT...it comes right from Bush HIMSELF!!! duh again!!! Is your last name Bush by chance???? And I'm not picking on Bush here..the whole US governemnt, the President and most of congress and senate are corrupt as hell. Oh LOOK! I just seen an internet ad..I can get my "masters degree" in 16 weeks! And a PHd in only 12 weeks after that! Guess those degrees will put me above Bush by the end of 2008!!! Wow, I will be so much more because I have a piece of paper that I "bought"!!! WOW!!! (yes, this was meant to be sarcastic to clarify!)" Yes..I guess all those "poor" past presidents... when they tried to buy a degree, were just too stupid to know how to buy one 
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Yes..I guess all those "poor" past presidents... when they tried to buy a degree, were just too stupid to know how to buy one LOL..no, they just did not care. Because many in history actually CARED about this country! You have the Internet..use it! go look at all the clips of Bush in speaches at public events, etc. Hell, the man can't even notice when he is staring into an elementary book (suppose to be reading along with a student) and the damm book is UPSIDE DOWN! Countless times this man has proven himself to be an "idiot". But you really can;t blame him, because he is nothing more than a "figurehead" anyway. just like Arnold here in California..the state is ran by the Kennedy's (his wife's family) So again, I can't blame Bush in many respects. I have to blame the source..which would be the American people not uniting and standing up for what is right. All most do is pay "lip service", but once "action" is called for, they run and hide. It's gotten really sad. |
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I think it's terribly sad. Not only was she a good woman she has left behind small children and many who cared for her.
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It won't be long before the US is "invited" to come on over with troops to help them out. Mark my word. This is the chance we've been waiting for. Right?
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This will have a major impact on the US and the rest of the world. I'm a bit unsettled about it all, but I am curious to see the how the US becomes involved in the events to follow. My heart goes out to her family and to the people of Pakistan. 
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