Topic: Trump's bills soon come due
Mortman's photo
Tue 04/02/24 02:06 PM
Most experts expect him to win the appeal because of the partisan politics that is clearly involved with the Judge.. and the liberal prosecutor… Trump never had a fair chance for his defense.


Unless by "experts" you mean the commenters on the Conservative blogs you follow, I doubt that. Most opinions I've read confirm that appeals are difficult and citing the political views of the DA aren't sufficient. Tish James brought a carefully documented case and witnesses to court. Trump had no defense. It was such an obvious case that the judge granted a default judgement. Even the notion that there were no victims isn't enough. First the law doesn't require the prosecution to find a victim, and second, the state's witness testified that banks lost out on hundreds of $million in interest Trump would've otherwise paid. And besides, it's fraud. Saying you can't charge because nobody was hurt is like saying people can drive drunk as long as they don't get into an accident. Trump will lose his appeal.

Anyway, I only searched the web for a while to see if I could find any "experts" who agreed with you, and had no luck. Got a link?

Bart's photo
Tue 04/02/24 02:44 PM
Edited by Bart on Tue 04/02/24 03:25 PM

Most experts expect him to win the appeal because of the partisan politics that is clearly involved with the Judge.. and the liberal prosecutor… Trump never had a fair chance for his defense.


Unless by "experts" you mean the commenters on the Conservative blogs you follow, I doubt that. Most opinions I've read confirm that appeals are difficult and citing the political views of the DA aren't sufficient. Tish James brought a carefully documented case and witnesses to court. Trump had no defense. It was such an obvious case that the judge granted a default judgement. Even the notion that there were no victims isn't enough. First the law doesn't require the prosecution to find a victim, and second, the state's witness testified that banks lost out on hundreds of $million in interest Trump would've otherwise paid. And besides, it's fraud. Saying you can't charge because nobody was hurt is like saying people can drive drunk as long as they don't get into an accident. Trump will lose his appeal.

Anyway, I only searched the web for a while to see if I could find any "experts" who agreed with you, and had no luck. Got a link?

Yea, I got a link for you. The American people, according to them , most find all these trials political, and stacked against Trump. And that may be enough to make Trump a modern day Martyr…somewhere in the liberal chithole there has to be a impartial appellate court that doesn’t drool over the thought of ‘ getting the Orangeman’.. why hasn’t this judge recuse hisself with the interest his daughter has in this case as a democrat consultant firm. The rules in NY say the judge shall recuse their self under these circumstances

Mortman's photo
Tue 04/02/24 10:36 PM
Edited by Mortman on Tue 04/02/24 10:36 PM
"The American people" is not a link. I'm an American person and I can see this trial isn't political. Are you trying to say that lying on a loan application is a Republican thing, and prosecuting civil fraud is unfair to Republicans? Good luck with that.

It's also hilarious that Trump is so criminal that you cannot keep the cases straight. Here's a quick list:

1. The New York civil fraud case, filed by DA Tish James, was presided by Judge Arthur Engoron. I don't know about his daughter, but the ruling says Trump owes over $450 million with interest, and your "most experts"/"American people" have yet to identify grounds for appeal, and it's way too late to get the judge to recuse himself.

2. The falsified business records case ("hush money" to porn star) brought by DA Alvin Bragg, starts this month, and is presided by Judge Juan Merchan. The judge's daughter, Lauren Merchan runs a digital media consulting firm, which has worked for Democratic campaigns. And to answer your question, Judge Merchan probably didn't recuse himself because there's no need--he doesn't work for his daughter.

3. The election racketeering case in Georgia is being presided by Judge Scott McAfee, and brought by DA Fani Willis. No word on Judge McAfee's family, but that is a big, complicated case and will likely take a long time, despite several of the defendants already taking plea deals--agreeing to testify against Trump as needed.

4. The classified documents case in Florida is being presided by Judge Aileen Cannon, and brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith. Judge Cannon was appointed by Trump to her position, and several of her orders apparently misstate the relevant laws or show ignorance of the federal court rules. She might get replaced, but she seems to be doing what she can to help Trump delay the trial until after the elections.

People that think these trials are political aren't paying attention. Each of the cases came with indictments from grand juries. Not simply charged by politicians.

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 04/03/24 05:51 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Wed 04/03/24 05:52 AM
J Biden should be charged for all the criminal things he has done and not been charged. His slate is far from ever being clean. This administration is in support of his criminal acts and evil agendas. Soon it will be over.

Bart's photo
Wed 04/03/24 08:22 AM
The American people is not a link: The anger of the American people is what the Biden DOJ should be paying attention to. But their Trump hating agenda leaves them mired in their own corruption of democracy with no way to escape the destruction they are doing to their party… they take so much pride in defaming Trump and his supporters ..instead of focusing on the real problems caused by the democrats.. And people notice that stuff and will vote accordingly…

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 04/03/24 09:26 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-joe-biden-create-transgender-day-visibility-easter-1885518






J Biden should have been impeached from Office months ago.

Mortman's photo
Wed 04/03/24 01:48 PM
J Biden should be charged for all the criminal things he has done and not been charged. His slate is far from ever being clean. This administration is in support of his criminal acts and evil agendas. Soon it will be over.


Hah, yeah, the Congressional Republicans already tried that lie. There's no evidence Biden committed any such crimes. So good luck with that.

Mortman's photo
Wed 04/03/24 02:07 PM
The American people is not a link: The anger of the American people is what the Biden DOJ should be paying attention to. But their Trump hating agenda leaves them mired in their own corruption of democracy with no way to escape the destruction they are doing to their party… they take so much pride in defaming Trump and his supporters ..instead of focusing on the real problems caused by the democrats.. And people notice that stuff and will vote accordingly…

It doesn't matter that "American people" are angry. Prosecuting crimes is not dependent on popularity. The laws are in place so that justice is served. No need to check the popular opinion before having Trump pay his bills or serve his time if convicted. Rich white men should not automatically get to do crimes and your love for Trump doesn't make him innocent. Maybe petition the government to make it legal to commit the acts for which he's being charged, or just let Trump prove he's innocent in court.

I'm sorry if these facts hurt, but blaming Biden or the Democrats overall is wrong. This mess is Trump's fault. He's the criminal.

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 04/03/24 02:15 PM

J Biden should be charged for all the criminal things he has done and not been charged. His slate is far from ever being clean. This administration is in support of his criminal acts and evil agendas. Soon it will be over.


Hah, yeah, the Congressional Republicans already tried that lie. There's no evidence Biden committed any such crimes. So good luck with that.


I do not have to prove anything there are many out there that Know the Truth and so does D Trump.
Not about being a Republican.
Sad some democrats are still in the dark.

Mortman's photo
Wed 04/03/24 03:41 PM
I do not have to prove anything there are many out there that Know the Truth and so does D Trump.
Not about being a Republican.
Sad some democrats are still in the dark.


OK, it's not up to you to prove. That is the prosecutor's job. And if trump has any evidence that Biden is guilty of anything, why is he keeping it secret? It's just wishful thinking that Biden is guilty of anything. If you think anybody is in the dark, then show the evidence, but insisting Biden is guilty because "you know" makes you look stupid--especially when you can't even name the crime committed.

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 04/03/24 04:17 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Wed 04/03/24 04:20 PM
What makes a person look stupid is that they can not recognize a real criminal in office of POTUS.
Great their are some people who can.
Light will come to those who are deceived soon enough. J Biden's crimes are evident to those who are paying attention.

Mortman's photo
Wed 04/03/24 05:55 PM
So Special Counsel Robert Hur just wasn't paying attention? And neither were the Chairmen James Comer and Jim Jordan? That was kind of their job, but OK. Got it.

Bart's photo
Thu 04/04/24 05:47 AM

I do not have to prove anything there are many out there that Know the Truth and so does D Trump.
Not about being a Republican.
Sad some democrats are still in the dark.


OK, it's not up to you to prove. That is the prosecutor's job. And if trump has any evidence that Biden is guilty of anything, why is he keeping it secret? It's just wishful thinking that Biden is guilty of anything. If you think anybody is in the dark, then show the evidence, but insisting Biden is guilty because "you know" makes you look stupid--especially when you can't even name the crime committed.

Obviously, your have no credibility either, Biden is guilty of letting millions of unvetted immigrants in our country free to steal, kill, rob, and squat in uninhabited homes. Biden has allowed inflation to make millions much worse off than they were under Trump. Biden has allowed deaseses to infest our community’s with his open border policy. Biden has allowed Russia and China to gain more power and bully our adversaries. Biden has allowed more babies to be killed in abortions. Biden has allowed attacks on Christian’s and ignores the crime committed by his followers. In short Joe Biden is the guilty party for all the crap that is ruining the good life we use to live in the United States . Nothing you can say to change the mind of the majority that feels the same..

Mortman's photo
Thu 04/04/24 12:35 PM
Obviously, your have no credibility either, Biden is guilty of letting millions of unvetted immigrants in our country free to steal, kill, rob, and squat in uninhabited homes. Biden has allowed inflation to make millions much worse off than they were under Trump. Biden has allowed deaseses to infest our community’s with his open border policy. Biden has allowed Russia and China to gain more power and bully our adversaries. Biden has allowed more babies to be killed in abortions. Biden has allowed attacks on Christian’s and ignores the crime committed by his followers. In short Joe Biden is the guilty party for all the crap that is ruining the good life we use to live in the United States . Nothing you can say to change the mind of the majority that feels the same..


Those still aren't crimes, even if Biden did all that. And he didn't. Immigrants may enter the country, but the laws don't allow Biden to lock them out. Biden asked Congress to send him a bill to sign to let him close the borders and Trump had Republicans kill it. Current laws require the US to allow immigrants to apply for asylum.

Russia and China aren't gaining more power--they're both currently under sanctions, and Russia is mired in a war with Ukraine (don't know how you missed that), losing $trillions in economic expansion and lost business. China is currently in an economic crisis, too, with its real estate sector collapsing, and they're in population decline. If China is bullying our adversaries, then that's a good thing. The US is supporting our allies in the region, though.

Babies aren't killed in abortions. Those are embryos or possibly fetuses; not babies, and that's not up to the President to decide, but between the mother and her doctor. Too often, women with serious medical complications are stuck with a pregnancy that can kill them and doctors are afraid to provide abortion services in fear for their licenses or practices or impending legal trouble. By the time they can get the help they need, they're left sterile from it. But none of that affects your "good life."

As to "allowed attacks on Christian’s and ignores the crime committed by his followers" I don't know what you mean. We have laws, and if people are guilty of crimes, they should be charged. Unless by "attack" you mean some words that hurt some Christian's feelings? The 1st Amendment wouldn't let Biden stop that, but maybe you can explain what you meant.

Again: Those aren't crimes. Not in the US, at least. Maybe after November's election, we'll have Democratic majorities and can get the border and abortion laws fixed.

Whatdoctor's photo
Thu 04/04/24 12:52 PM
So he managed to wrangle a 75% discount on his bond. This has enabled him to mount a challenge to the decision.

Should his appeal fail, he may end up with an increased bill - up to double the original amount. This may be why the court was so willing to let him have a go.

Toodygirl5's photo
Thu 04/04/24 12:54 PM
J Biden still probably thinks TikTok is a clock.:smile:

Incompetent POTUS

He is really the worse president for America's economy according to a financial advisor this morning.

J Biden says economy is doing will. Yes by his administration, the Rich are getting richer and the mid class getting poorer.


Rock's photo
Thu 04/04/24 01:33 PM

Nope. That's amerìca. Liberty and justice for all. Every single American has the same equal rights as everyone else. There is no liberal America. There is no conservative america. Just america so let that freak flag wave.
As far as crime. Crime is worse in red states. 4 years Ina major blue city I wasn't the victim of a crime once. In the red state I live in now it happens monthly. Just happened last weekend.
Murdering someone because 2,000 year old nook tells you to is still murder refuardless.
I hear russia is nice this time of year.


You're either very ill informed,
or, intentionally dishonest.
But, at least you're consistent. :joy:
Keep on keepin' on.

Bart's photo
Thu 04/04/24 04:13 PM
Edited by Bart on Thu 04/04/24 04:19 PM

Obviously, your have no credibility either, Biden is guilty of letting millions of unvetted immigrants in our country free to steal, kill, rob, and squat in uninhabited homes. Biden has allowed inflation to make millions much worse off than they were under Trump. Biden has allowed deaseses to infest our community’s with his open border policy. Biden has allowed Russia and China to gain more power and bully our adversaries. Biden has allowed more babies to be killed in abortions. Biden has allowed attacks on Christian’s and ignores the crime committed by his followers. In short Joe Biden is the guilty party for all the crap that is ruining the good life we use to live in the United States . Nothing you can say to change the mind of the majority that feels the same..


Those still aren't crimes, even if Biden did all that. And he didn't. Immigrants may enter the country, but the laws don't allow Biden to lock them out. Biden asked Congress to send him a bill to sign to let him close the borders and Trump had Republicans kill it. Current laws require the US to allow immigrants to apply for asylum.

Russia and China aren't gaining more power--they're both currently under sanctions, and Russia is mired in a war with Ukraine (don't know how you missed that), losing $trillions in economic expansion and lost business. China is currently in an economic crisis, too, with its real estate sector collapsing, and they're in population decline. If China is bullying our adversaries, then that's a good thing. The US is supporting our allies in the region, though.

Babies aren't killed in abortions. Those are embryos or possibly fetuses; not babies, and that's not up to the President to decide, but between the mother and her doctor. Too often, women with serious medical complications are stuck with a pregnancy that can kill them and doctors are afraid to provide abortion services in fear for their licenses or practices or impending legal trouble. By the time they can get the help they need, they're left sterile from it. But none of that affects your "good life."

As to "allowed attacks on Christian’s and ignores the crime committed by his followers" I don't know what you mean. We have laws, and if people are guilty of crimes, they should be charged. Unless by "attack" you mean some words that hurt some Christian's feelings? The 1st Amendment wouldn't let Biden stop that, but maybe you can explain what you meant.

Again: Those aren't crimes. Not in the US, at least. Maybe after November's election, we'll have Democratic majorities and can get the border and abortion laws fixed.

I guess you haven’t heard of Alvin Bragg or several other DAs in liberal cities letting people that have commuted violent crimes walk with no bail. It is illegal to come into our country thru any point other than a point of entry but the Biden administration is guilty of accessory to that crime. That bill wouldn’t have closed the borders , but would have made it law to accept 5000 illegals a day… Russia and China are bullying our Allie’s I meant to say. And they are acting like they are more powerful or maybe they just feel more emboldened because of Joe Biden’s weakness.. Not all abortions are performed in the first stage. And some democrats want no restrictions including after birth abortions. “My good life”? Not hardly, I’m in the same boat that millions of others are thanks to Joe Biden, living check to check .. paying about $200 more per month than four years ago on the basic everyday costs. Attacks on Christian’s ? How about Easter Sunday Joe turns that Christian holiday into “ tranny vision day”. Really. Many birthing centers in the south have been vandalized and patients assulted but no one’s ever charged..The democrats seem to bend over backwards for all the unpopular things like open borders, men playing womens sports, dumbing down smart students to level the field for the sake of equity. These things are a recipe for disaster.

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Thu 04/04/24 04:20 PM
Amen.

Besides, he is "too rich to have to pay a bond"...

AMEN

Toodygirl5's photo
Tue 04/09/24 10:14 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-50-million-raised-from-biggest-fundraiser-yet/ar-BB1lc9WS



Trump is still getting support.


J Biden will soon be OUT of Office we hope.
We are those who knows what J Biden administration is trying to accomplish in America.