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Topic: public speaking in '08
soxfan94's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:03 PM
Watching Clinton give her speech in New York right now, it really bugs me how she is always so robotic in her speaking...she always appears to be reading from a script, and has to force herself to infuse inflection and emotion in her speaking.
Obama, on the other hand, speaks very extemporaneously and genuinely. He establishes a great rapport with his audience and seems to be speaking offhand, rather than from a script.

To me, this makes a huge difference in how easily I can support Obama over Clinton. Does it make a difference to anyone else? Should it?

shoes4rhon's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:04 PM
of course it does it makes people seem more passionate and confident and of course more believable - hey soxfan what is up ?

Trackman's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:05 PM
somewhat...but i do see what u mean about Clinton.

nonchalantwendy's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:06 PM
I am a woman..........but she has no emotions or heart and I would not want her in controle of my future...or country.....

MarsNeverSleeps's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:09 PM
The real Hillary Clinton died years ago; this one's just an android put in place by the Men in Black in cooperation with the Illuminati. That's why she's so robotic. ;)

Enya's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:10 PM
The good one never wins...........

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Tue 02/05/08 08:10 PM
not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...

shoes4rhon's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:11 PM
when she was hillary rodham and was an advocate for education I liked her much better but it has become such a sport to bash hillary I can't help but wonder if that hasn't just worn her down

trying_to_fly's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:12 PM
I agree with you soxfan......Clinton is just.....well.....Clinton. We need a change in the White House and I think Obama is it. I'm a Republican but, I actually do see a good change with Obama in the House. We do need a change. If Hillary got in we'd see 4 generations of the same people..... 2 Bushs and 2 Clintons. We need someone who won't cry and crack under pressure and I think Obama is the man!!!!drinker drinker

soxfan94's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:12 PM

of course it does it makes people seem more passionate and confident and of course more believable - hey soxfan what is up ?


Hey shoes, how's it going. I agree with your comment, I'll vote for passion any day. :tongue:

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Tue 02/05/08 08:13 PM
I really like Obama, as a person. I've read both his books & his language is eloquent & beautiful. He has charisma & speaks well. BUT Hilliary has the experience & knowledge about the key issues. For me it comes down to this, especially her understanding of healthcare issues. Also, her record in NY. But either one is a billion times better than what we've got. I think they should team up.

soxfan94's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:15 PM
For clarification, I'm not suggesting that charisma should take the place of policies. Quite the contrary...but all other things being equal (theoretically of course) I would prefer a well spoken leader. I mean, after 4 years of Bush I suppose I should just be happy to have a literate english speaking leader hahaha.

'reveolution' - your point is well taken.

PS: California closed and is still too close for CNN to call.

no photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:15 PM
oh yes, charming man
smart woman

a smart man is never a b*tch


nonchalantwendy's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:16 PM

not that Im a Clinton fan but I dont think you have to be a great speaker to be a great leader...Im sometimes skeptical of the charismatic types lol....I mean think about it most cult leader have a great ability to move a crowd...


they are not talking about her speaking ability.....she is programed...cold calculated...she has no compassion for what she speaks.....She does not win your faith or trust....She is defensive...without a convincing debate....not what I want running my country.....

soxfan94's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:16 PM

I really like Obama, as a person. I've read both his books & his language is eloquent & beautiful. He has charisma & speaks well. BUT Hilliary has the experience & knowledge about the key issues. For me it comes down to this, especially her understanding of healthcare issues. Also, her record in NY. But either one is a billion times better than what we've got. I think they should team up.


For me, I see it the opposite. In my opinion, anyone who manages to survive in the senate for 30 years is likely to be well connected to special interests pretty strongly. I think we need something fresh and new, but still tempered enough to avoid inexperienced mistakes. As for healthcare, I couldn't disagree more with Hillary Clinton.

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Tue 02/05/08 08:18 PM

For clarification, I'm not suggesting that charisma should take the place of policies. Quite the contrary...but all other things being equal (theoretically of course) I would prefer a well spoken leader. I mean, after 4 years of Bush I suppose I should just be happy to have a literate english speaking leader hahaha.

'reveolution' - your point is well taken.

PS: California closed and is still too close for CNN to call.

Can't argue that point. But then what would the late nite shows use for jokes if our leaders didn't flub their lines

shoes4rhon's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:19 PM

I agree with you soxfan......Clinton is just.....well.....Clinton. We need a change in the White House and I think Obama is it. I'm a Republican but, I actually do see a good change with Obama in the House. We do need a change. If Hillary got in we'd see 4 generations of the same people..... 2 Bushs and 2 Clintons. We need someone who won't cry and crack under pressure and I think Obama is the man!!!!drinker drinker
are you saying that because Hillary is female she would crack and cry under pressure ?? you men have no idea of the pressure that woman deal with on a day to day basis = not only do I have to be the breadwinner of my house I also have to keep it spotless and look like a freaking porn star while I do it - or so general population seems to think ... Come on

Gumbyvs's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:19 PM

I really like Obama, as a person. I've read both his books & his language is eloquent & beautiful. He has charisma & speaks well. BUT Hilliary has the experience & knowledge about the key issues. For me it comes down to this, especially her understanding of healthcare issues. Also, her record in NY. But either one is a billion times better than what we've got. I think they should team up.


Ummm what knowledge does she possess? She stole an election for senator in New York. She tried to ruin healthcare. And she's running based on her husbands failures. Hmmm, America is stupid, maybe they'll believe she isn't a puppet after all. Blasted ignorance!

Gumbyvs's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:20 PM


I agree with you soxfan......Clinton is just.....well.....Clinton. We need a change in the White House and I think Obama is it. I'm a Republican but, I actually do see a good change with Obama in the House. We do need a change. If Hillary got in we'd see 4 generations of the same people..... 2 Bushs and 2 Clintons. We need someone who won't cry and crack under pressure and I think Obama is the man!!!!drinker drinker
are you saying that because Hillary is female she would crack and cry under pressure ?? you men have no idea of the pressure that woman deal with on a day to day basis = not only do I have to be the breadwinner of my house I also have to keep it spotless and look like a freaking porn star while I do it - or so general population seems to think ... Come on


Ummm, if I pay you, will you clean my house as a porn star too?

soxfan94's photo
Tue 02/05/08 08:21 PM
hahaha shoes give him a chance to answer the question of whether he meant it because she was a woman before you rip him limb from limb!

Although your angst is duly noted. Not sure how you keep the house, but you keep up the appearance just fine :wink:

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