The Jeanniebean brief on the 9-11 Report.

The Global Elite and The 9-11 Commission Report.

This information has been mostly written and Prepared by me, (alias jeanniebean) and is the result of my own information gathering. It is just a little background on the 9-11 Commission regarding it’s official report, and explains why I doubt very seriously the 9-11 Commission’s report represents a true account of the events on 9-11.

If you take the time to read this brief, – I invite intelligent conversation and consideration of the information. Please don’t leave insulting, ignorant or off topic remarks as they will be reported immediately.

These first opening posts are simply background on who is behind the so-called “independent” 9-11 Commission. I will leave a few links for references to websites for your convenience in verifying some of the information.

Have you read the official 9-11 commission report? Do you know who wrote it?

The public face of the 9-11 Commission was provided by the ten commissioners led by Thomas Kean, and Lee Hamilton. Most of the actual research and writing of reports was carried out by a staff of about 75 people, over half of whom were former members of the CIA, the FBI, the Department of Justice, and other government agencies. (Thomas Kean –a politician, republican and Bush-Chaney supporter and Lee Hamilton -a democrat who indorsed Barac Obama, 2008)

Do you believe the official Story even when they keep changing it?

FYI:
The official story did change. This is probably one of the reasons there are so many conspiracy theories out there. So you can blame that on the government because they can’t get their story strait.

There is a serious discrepancy between the reports from our own military officers regarding the response of NEADS (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and what the 9-11 commission report now says. Their pre-2004 claims are completely different from what the 9-11 commission report now claims happened, due to “the Norad tapes.”

Testimony that supports the first story and the military’s report were excluded from consideration by the 9-11 commission, thereby killing any evidence and rumors of a “stand down” order being given to not to intercept the planes by shooting them down.

The earlier claims made by the military, as represented by Major General Larry Arnold, the commanding general of NORAD’s Continental Region, and Colonel Allen Scott, were the “official story” (as reported by the media and others) from September 18, 2001 until the issuance of the 9-11 Commission Report in July 2004.

So either our Military leaders are liars, or the 9-11 commission report is a fabricated myth, and the “Norad tapes” are an elaborate fake. Either way, it sheds a lot of doubt on any “official story” of what happened that day. A few more details of these two stories will be posted later in this thread, but first I will post some background on the 9-11 commission report and who wrote it..

The following posts are about Philip D. Zelikow, Executive Director 9-11 Commission.

The myth maker behind the 9-11 Commission, Report Philip D. Zelikow

Most people have never heard of Philip D. Zelikow, but if you do a search you will find that he is best known as the executive director of the 9/11 Commission. Before heading up the 9-11 Commission, Zelikow was the Executive Director of the Markle Foundation Task Force on National Security in the Information Age (2002-2003).

Member of the Bush administration.

Philip Zelikow, was virtually a member of the Bush administration and a member of the State Department, posted in Washington DC and Vienna, during the 1980's. He had worked with Condoleezza Rice on the National Security Council in the administration of George H. W. Bush. He also co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice.

To his credit, Zelikow wrote a memorandum opposing the Torture Memos, and has stated that Bush administration officials not only ignored his memo, but tried to collect all the copies and destroy them. Jane Mayer, author of the Dark Side, quotes Zelikow as predicting that "America's descent into torture will in time be viewed like the Japanese internments," in that "fear and anxiety were exploited by zealots and fools..~ wikipedia

Zelikow is an expert on such things as the above, predicting how certain policies and actions might be viewed historically and how they could erode public trust in the government. Perhaps his motivation for manipulating the official version of 9-11 events might simply be his effort to cover-up something he knows will erode or completely destroy the public trust. This was, after all his field of expertise.

Philip Zelikow is the man behind what I call the government fabricated myth about 9-11 which is the 9-11 Commission Report. I can’t in good conscience even call it a “bad government conspiracy theory,” (which is what David Ray Griffin calls it,) because in my opinion it doesn’t even deserve that much of a respectable title. Rather than a conspiracy theory, it appears to be a skewed and fabricated tale, very carefully and spun in a specific way.

Aspen Strategy Group

Immediately prior to G.W. Bush appointing Zelikow to head the 9/11 Commission, Zelikow was the executive director of the little known Aspen Strategy Group whose members include Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rica, and Paul Wolfowitz (to name a few.) Note: (Paul Dundes Wolfowitz is a former United States Ambassador to Indonesia, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, and former President of the World Bank.)

Although most people don't know anything about Zelikow, they do recognize Cheney, Rice and Wolfowitz as the Neoconservatives most responsible for stampeding America into the current unfortunate conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Next post: The elite Aspen Strategy Group.

The Aspen Strategy Group

The roots of the Aspen Strategy Group date back to the 1970s, when The Aspen Institute sponsored an annual conference for researchers associated with arms control projects at leading universities and think tanks. ~ASG

A brief look at this group and its members gives the impression of a think tank of elite global proportions. (Philip Zelikow is still a member. ) ~jb

A closer look at each member of the ASG clearly shows a network of powerful people very connected to government, intelligence, financial institutions, global corporations, well known foundations, the Bilderberg Group, National Academy of Sciences, National security council, Banking, Council on Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission. (To name a few.) ~jb

The Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies (AIHS) sponsors the Aspen Strategy Group.

"The current directors of the Aspen Institute continue to be drawn from the same upper echelon of global elitists. Humanism today is being “taught” throughout the business world by the Aspen Institute, particularly to the multinational corporation community. The major financiers of Aspen also are the major financiers of Trilateralism, and no less than seven members of the Trilateral Commission also serve at the Aspen Institute. ~~ref: Patrick Wood

This is definitely a powerful global community or network. It brings to mind something Tony Blair said: about Al Qaeda. He said, “Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization with ties to a global network." He did not say that Al Qaeda “was” a global network, he said that it “had ties” to a global network.

I first thought that “global network” might be the CIA, since that agency does operations all over the world, but I’m sure more than just the CIA is involved in this “global network.” Maybe the Aspen group and/or other similar elitists groups fit that profile better. (Then of course there are always your run-of-the-mill secret clubs and societies that operate off the Internet radar.)

A bit of research on The Aspen Strategy Group’s mission, according to them, is “to explore the preeminent foreign policy puzzles facing the United States. Its cross-disciplinary and high-level examination of policy strategies for addressing preeminent and emerging topics makes it crucially relevant to the American and global policy communities.” ref~ASG

Basically, their claim is that they are problem solvers and advisors to policymakers (politicians) (If there is a such thing as a “new world order” planning group this one would certainly fit the profile to a tee.) ~jb

Quote from them: They …”help American policymakers learn from experts, while helping the experts understand what questions trouble policymakers. No other group conducts this dialogue in the sustained depth that we achieve in our summer workshops, and with such outstanding participants from both sides of the expert-policymaker divide.” ~ASG

THE EXPERTS

Back to Philip Zelikow, director of the 9-11 commission.

"Mr. Zelikow was recruited by the administration because he was one of the foremost experts in the world on Al-Qaeda. Zelikow has been both praised by the Bush administration for his wide knowledge of the terrorism issue at hand and criticized by outside groups for his close ties to the administration and personal involvement in national security activities. Al-Qaeda expert or no, many outside groups feel Zelikow's extensive connections with the current administration endanger the integrity of the commission. ref~2004 Alice. Lemieux, student at the University of Washington.

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The 9-11 Commission

He was the head honcho of about 75 people divided into 8 investigative teams. One disgruntled member said that Zelikow was calling the shots and completely controlled seven of these eight teams. More generally, this staff member said that he was skewing the investigation and running it his own way. ~ jb~~ ref~Lev Grossman Time Mag Sept 2006

As executive director, Philip Zelikow was able to largely control what would appear in and be excluded from consideration in the 9-11 Report.

So what was Philip Zelikow’s expertise?

Zelikow, is basically the guy who “wrote” The 9/11 Commission Report, and he was an expert in how to misuse public trust and create public myths, as illustrated in the following:

While at Harvard Zelikow wrote about the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. As he noted in his own words, "contemporary" history is "defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public's presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to [the] notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.' Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." ref~rense dot com

Zelikow comes from the Bush administration, the Markle Foundation Task Force, and the Aspen Strategy Group as an expert on advising policy makers and politicians, and is made the head of the 9-11 Commission.

“If we can get people to see that the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report got his Ph.D. in public myths and actually had his hand in scripting the 9/11 event itself in 1998, they might be more receptive to the idea that the official story of 9/11 should be revisited.”~Rense dot com.

RE: He was the project director of the Catastrophic Terrorism Study Group

In 1998, Zelikow actually wrote ”Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy” -about imagining "the transformative event" three years before 9/11. Here are Zelikow's 1998 words:

“Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because the most serious constraint on current policy [nonaggression] is lack of imagination. An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse. “Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible. Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after." The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after." Our leaders will be judged negligent for not addressing catastrophic terrorism more urgently.”

So to recap:
Zelikow, is basically the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report, and he was an expert in how to misuse public trust and create public myths, and he was the project director and author of (the 1998) Catastrophic Terrorism Study Group’s paper which basically describes what happened on and after 9-11 three years in advance. ~jb

Here is a Harvard link to that document: http://www.hks.harvard.edu/visions/publication/terrorism.htm

As far as the Aspen group is concerned, I’m not sure what their purpose really is, but supposedly they solve problems and advise policy makers, IE politicians etc. on global matters of concern. My question is this. If these people of the Aspen Strategy Group (and institute) are so well educated and so smart and such experts in their fields, then why are they such miserable failures at protecting America from a devastating terrorist attack?

Or maybe that’s not what their purpose is. Are they working to protect American citizens or are they working on molding and manipulating global climates, and political policy? What specifically is their true agenda?

(Note:
I suspect they are all participants in the conspiracy of creating an economical global new world order with their clear ties to the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral commission. Lieutenant General Brent Scowcroft, co-chairman of the Aspen Strategy Group is said to be the man who actually coined the phrase “New World Order.”

Quotes:

"With the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was Scowcroft who coined the term New World Order." ref~ Keppler Associates, Inc

“The Facts on the Trilateral Commission Reveal That David Rockefeller and Other Elite Crooks Want Global Government Tyranny.” ref~Canada free press

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/481

“The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the U.S.” - Sen. Barry Goldwater

(Remember, the Aspen group has, at the very least, seven members who are also members of the Trilateral commission.)

Whether each member if this elite group had knowledge of the 9-11 plot for Catastrophic Terrorist attack or not, I suspect they all played their own “need to know” and individual role in the 9-11 catastrophic event. I suspect this group played a part in the Iran Contra affair also. (There you will find terrorism expert Philip Zelikow at the head of the pack investigating that one too. Apparently he not only designs terrorist scenarios, he investigates them afterwards. ~~jb)

I believe these organizations and their network is the “global network” that Tony Blair was talking about when he said, ““Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization with ties to a global network.") ~jb

References: cut and paste into browser.

http://www.augustforecast.com/2005/07/12/global_religion_for_global_governance/#

http://www.aspeninstitute.org/

http://www.aspeninstitute.org/policy-work/aspen-strategy-group

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Able Danger was a classified military planning effort led by the U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). It was created as a result of a directive from the Joint Chiefs of Staff in early October 1999 by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Hugh Shelton, to develop an information operations campaign plan against transnational terrorism.

In December 2006, a sixteen-month investigation by the US Senate Intelligence Committee concluded "Able Danger did not identify Mohamed Atta or any other 9/11 hijacker at any time prior to September 11, 2001," and dismissed other assertions that have fueled 9/11 conspiracy theories.


THE TRUTH IS THAT SOMEBODY IS LYING.
(The lies are in red above.)


Suppressing evidence.


Comments by members of the Able Danger team

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a member of the Able Danger team, claimed that he alerted the FBI in September 2000 about the information uncovered by the secret military unit "Able Danger," but he alleges three meetings he set up with bureau officials were blocked by military lawyers.

Shaffer, who at the time worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency, claims he communicated to members of the 9/11 Commission that Able Danger had identified two of the three cells responsible for 9/11 prior to the attacks, but the Commission did not include this information in their final report.

WHY? Ask Philip D. Zelikow

Example of the Treatment of truth tellers:

Shaffer's lawyer, Mark Zaid, has revealed that Shaffer had been placed on paid administrative leave for what he called "petty and frivolous" reasons and had his security clearance suspended in March 2004, following a dispute over travel mileage expenses and personal use of a work cell phone.

As Lt. Col. Shaffer received a memorandum of OPCON status from Joint Task Force (JTF) 121, confirming his attachment to this element 1 November through 1 December 2004, and participating in the 75th Ranger Regiment's nighttime air assault of 11 November 2003, the controversy of his wearing the 75th Ranger Regiment patch as his "combat patch" is closed in his favor. In the Army Reserve, LtCol Shaffer is now assigned as the G6 of the 94th Division (Prov), Ft. Lee, VA.

Congressman Weldon asked for a new probe into the activities undertaken to silence Lt. Col Shaffer from publicly commenting on Able Danger and Able Danger's identification of the 9/11 hijackers.

Weldon called the activities "a deliberate campaign of character assassination."

Shaffer has also told the story of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) opposition to Able Danger, prior to 9/11, based on the view Able Danger was encroaching on CIA turf.

According to Shaffer, the CIA representative said, "I clearly understand. We're going after the leadership. You guys are going after the body. But, it doesn't matter. The bottom line is, CIA will never give you the best information from "Alex Base" or anywhere else. CIA will never provide that to you because if you were successful in your effort to target Al Qaeda, you will steal our thunder. Therefore, we will not support this."
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Navy Captain Scott Phillpott
Capt. Scott Phillpott confirmed Shaffer's claims. "I will not discuss this outside of my chain of command," Phillpott said in a statement to Fox News. "I have briefed the Department of the Army, the Special Operations Command and the office of (Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence) Dr. Cambone as well as the 9/11 Commission. My story has remained consistent. Atta was identified by Able Danger in January/February 2000," he was quoted as saying.

James D. Smith
Shaffer's claims were also confirmed by James D. Smith, a civilian contractor who worked on Able Danger. In an interview with Fox News, Smith reported that the project had involved analysis of data from a large number of public sources and 20 to 30 individuals. Smith stated that Atta's name had emerged during an examination of individuals known to have ties to Omar Abdel Rahman, a leading figure in the first World Trade Center bombing.


Major Eric Kleinsmith
Major Eric Kleinsmith, who was with the Army and chief of intelligence for LIWA until February 2001, testified that he was ordered to destroy Able Danger's information. "I deleted the data," he said. "There were two sets, classified and unclassified, and also an 'all sorts,'" which contained a blend of the two, "plus charts we'd produced." Kleinsmith deleted the 2.5 terabytes of data in May and June, 2000, on orders of Tony Gentry, general counsel of the Army Intelligence and Security Command.

Other witnesses
The Defense Department announced its findings on September 1, 2005, after a three-week investigation into Able Danger. The statement announced the discovery of three other witnesses in addition to Shaffer and Phillpott who confirm Able Danger had produced a chart that "either mentioned Atta by name as an al-Qaeda operative [and/or] showed his photograph." Four of the five witnesses remember the photo on the chart. The fifth remembers only Atta being cited by name. The Pentagon describes the witnesses as "credible" but stated that the document which allegedly mentioned Atta could not be found.

wow good find verry interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29

The wiki article in the above link is actually well written. Your claim of who coined the term "new world order" is false.

This is a long article which explains the origins of many conspiracy theories which still exist, and tracks their histories. It also explains the arguments and suppositions of most of the major conspiracy theories.

After reading a few articles about Zelikow, including one which you cited, I am not convinced. In fact, if anything, it pointed out that you have a bias based on your conclusions. I also took a look at the full list of membership for the ASG. Although I recognize a number of names, including Al Gore and Madeline Albright, the vast majority of them are people I have never heard of. In fact, I am interested to find out when certain members joined the group just because some of those who you point out may have only joined in recent years, which would undermine a portion of your argument.

I'm still looking into a few things though. I prefer to do research in spurts so I stay fresh and aware and read things in proper context. So it will be several days before I uncover enough to form a full cohesive response. As of right now, your posting seems to contain a bunch of supposition and speculation, not just facts. So I have to take it with a grain of salt.

One last thing of note. It is interesting to find out that both Zelikow and ASG have ties to both the Clinton and Bush administrations, but no obvious ones to the Reagan or Bush Sr. admins despite ASG being founded in 1984, which is the same year that Bin Laden became involved in the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

Your link to the wiki article must be a typo it did not go through.

My claim about who coined the term "New world order" is not actually my claim. I gave a reference to the person (or company) who made that claim. (He probably stole the phrase from someone else and simply "coined" it, whatever that means. LOL)

Please post a corrected link to your wiki article.

I don't really have any solid "conclusions" other than I suspect that the 9-11 commission fabricated and spun the 9-11 report in order to cast a better light on the 'history' of the events of 9-11. That is his (Zelikow's) specialty.

NWO

The roots of the Aspen Strategy Group date back to the 1970s, when The Aspen Institute sponsored an annual conference for researchers associated with arms control projects at leading universities and think tanks. ~ASG

The Aspen Institute, which sponsors the Aspen Strategy group was started in 1950, a year after I was born. So its been around for 61 years approximately.

The process by which I came upon the Aspen Strategy group was when I began following key words in connection to people on the 9-11 commission, particularly the executive director.

The 9-11 group is touted as an "independent agency." On close examination I think we would be hard pressed to find any such thing as an "independent agency" anywhere, so a closer look at who these people are close to was necessary.

(I would think if you co-author a book with someone, I would call that close enough if you truly co-authored the book together.)

The Aspen Strategy Group stood out as a global network of powerful people who are not simply interested in America, but in the whole world's political and economical operation and climate. I did some individual searches on some of the members but not all of them. Every single one was connected to powerful political groups, foundations, etc.

These are the elite, rich, powerful people who write history, political strategy, influence politicians, shape policy, study terrorism and its effects, and basically start wars.

Here are my primary conclusions in summary about this subject.

1. The 9-11 commission report is propaganda and perhaps total fabrication based on false information.

2. Philip D. Zelikow, the director of the 9-11 commission, tightly controlled the information that would be presented to the commission and withheld vital testimony and information claiming that it was "historically insignificant."

3. Philip D. Zeikow, instead of actually investigating the events of 9-11 was simply writing the report as an historical account as he felt it should be viewed in history books. This was one of his specialies. Public myth and popular history.

4.The Aspen Strategy Group is a network of connected people with a global agenda much like that of NATO, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral commission.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

Apparently the link was altered when I copied it. This is what it said in the bar.

And yes, the Aspen Institute actually evolved from the Cold War. Zelikow's real expertise is on the Cuban Missile Crisis. The expertise you note is something that he fell into because of positions he held by appointment.

As you will see from the wiki link, many of the popular conspiracy theories actually gained popularity and momentum during The Red Scare of 1947 - 1957, which was instigated by Sen. Joseph McCarthy. There is also a book from the time period (I forget the author off-hand) which fueled these conspiracies even more, and used the phrase "new world order". That phrase actually goes back at least a century because Woodrow Wilson used it after WWI while trying to establish The League of Nations.

Because of the deceit perpetrated by world leaders, people have learned that their truly are conspiracies and propaganda going on. Most people don't like it when their leaders lie to them. They want the truth. That is the reason most conspiracy theories are born.

People like Alex Jones give conspiracy theories a bad name and he is actually on the payroll of a Jewish run corporation and he will peddle every conspiracy theory out there but he rarely mentions Zionism or Israel. They pretend to be at odds with each other but it is all a show and a ploy. He is a disinformation agent. He is all about spreading panic and paranoia.

There are real conspiracies involved in world politics make no mistake about that. The people behind the movement for truth are not a bunch of nuts. They are ordinary citizens and some are military leaders, scientists and even politicians. People who speak out who are in positions of authority are soon discredited, fired, framed, ridiculed, ignored, and in some cases die a mysterious death. I don't believe I am exaggerating either. I have looked into many of these things.

If a person speaks about conspiracy theories and has a one-sided view of them as if they are all ridiculous then they simply are not looking at the facts. There is a concentrated movement to silence whistle blowers and discredit anyone who truly has the goods on the propaganda pushers.

Do people in general really believe the rhetoric spewed by politicization running for office? I don't know too many who do.

"If a person speaks about conspiracy theories and has a one-sided view of them as if they are all ridiculous then they simply are not looking at the facts."

You either believe that a conspiracy exists or you don't.

Without turning this into a discussion on epistemology, let us just say that one persons "facts" are not always seen in the same context as someone else.

The reason these theories are ridiculed is not due to the persons lack of knowledge or inability to comprehend the "facts".

In most cases the "facts" alleged don't constitute facts at all.

That is the problem with conspiracy theories.

No the real reason these theories are ridiculed is because many people blindly believe what the media tells them, and if the media says we're nuts than it must be so. Ignorance is abound and those in power use that to their advantage so that we might stay that way.

Anything that goes against the government narative is labled a "conspiracy theory".

So many of them turned out to be true.


The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: The United States Public Health Service carried out this clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease. While the study was initially supposed to last just six months, it continued for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications by the end of the study.



Operation Northwoods was a well-orchestrated plan by top U.S. military leaders to create public support for a war against Cuba -- by carrying out acts of terrorism on U.S. soil, hijacking planes, sinking Cuban refugee boats and more.

Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but were reportedly rejected by the civilian leadership, then kept secret for nearly 40 years.

The Iran-Contra Affair: In 1985 and '86, the White House authorized government officials to secretly trade weapons with the Israeli government in exchange for the release of U.S. hostages in Iran. The plot was uncovered by Congress in 1987.

1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named "Nayirah" testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but -- despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory -- it was later discovered that the testimony was false. It was actually the creation of public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the purpose of promoting the Gulf War.

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm

No must of us on this forum follow science and logic to prove these theories wrong. There is media out that that says these theories are right. In fact if you google 9/11 you will find probably 10X more conspiracy websites than debunking sights.

The web is the new media so in fact the conspiracy theorists are the ones blindly following the media.

You are generalizing.

I personally don't watch any news.

I have spent time over the past several years reading from the 9-11 truther sites.

I can take what I have read from several different sources and with using common sense determine that most of what is theorized makes no logical sense.

The CIA was behind 9-11..

Yes.. I am certain that the CIA planned an operation in which made them look like complete and total fools.

That is a very good strategy. The more incompetent we look the better off we will be as an agency.

Is that really logical?

There is a trail of evidence that points directly at the incompetence of the FBI.

Do I think that they planted all of this evidence since the 1993 attack to make themselves look even worse than they already did?

I doubt it.. It is not logical.

Planting exotic explosives in the WTC buildings knowing that only you had access to those explosives.

Why don't bank robbers buy a one of a kind car to use in the getaway so they won't easily be recognized?

Its fning stupid..


Logic and common sense.. Two tools for looking at something objectively and coming to a reasonable conclusion.

Yeah and you know why they say it, because they are owned and controlled by the state, so of course they're gonna spout the company line. The media serves up what the government wants them to serve up, simple as that.

You are right on one thing though, the web IS the new media, and it's the only place you will find any shred of real truth. This is exactly why they have been pushing to censor and control it. They know it's power, and realize its the one information source that they really haven't been able to regulate. It's a threat to them so they must neutralize it.