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Documents unearthed by an American academic indicate Israel offered to sell nuclear weapons to South Africa in the 1970s.
Israel has never confirmed it has nuclear weapons despite a large amount of evidence that it has as many as 200 warheads. The documents provide the first proof Israel not only has enough nuclear weapons for its own defence but has enough to sell elsewhere. Like India, Pakistan and North Korea, Israel is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. In the 1980s, Mordechai Vanunu, a former technician who worked at Israel's main nuclear facility, revealed the extent of the country's arsenal. Four years ago, former prime minister Ehud Olmert accidentally acknowledged the country's nuclear capability on German television. And now an American academic, Sacha Polokow-Suransky, has unearthed documents which appear to indicate Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons during the era of apartheid. The deal between Israel and South Africa did not proceed. But questions remain as to whether Israel helped South Africa develop nuclear weapons later on. Dr Gil Merom, an international security expert from Sydney University, says Israel looked for alliances all over the world. "Israel looked for any possible alliance and any possible support so South Africa could deliver to Israel mostly, I think, resources of the type of raw uranium," he said. The claims come as 190 nations are meeting in New York at the Nuclear Non-proliferation Review Treaty. Experts say they are likely to add more pressure on Israel to declare itself a nuclear power. Dr Andrew Davies, an expert on nuclear issues from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, says the news is unlikely to surprise anyone. "Being found out as being a proliferator never helps anybody's case for taking the higher moral ground on nuclear weapons," he said. "But I don't think any new revelation about Israel is going to come as a terrible surprise to anyone." Israel has played a strong role in the effort to prevent Iran gaining nuclear weapons. Dr Ron Huisken, an expert on nuclear weapons from the Australian National University, says the Iranians will use further proof Israel has nuclear weapons to justify its own program. He also says the revelations could force the United States to ratchet up the pressure on Israel to admit having nuclear weapons. "If Obama and co. were serious about a sustained process of nuclear diminution, an early part of that process has to be an Israel that comes out of the closet, and in the process of doing that, says yes, we've got the bomb," he said. "We've got it for these reasons, and then begin to talk to its neighbours about the motives behind it and ... what Israel thinks the neighbours need to do for Israel to consider giving the capability up." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-05-24/israel-tried-to-sell-nuclear-weapons/839404 Keep this in mind while Israel tries to drag the US to war with Iran over its alleged nuclear program. |
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blah, blah, blah never gets old with you does it? so tell, oh wise one... so what? what does it matter to you or anyone else who sells what to whom?
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blah, blah, blah never gets old with you does it? so tell, oh wise one... so what? what does it matter to you or anyone else who sells what to whom? Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty has submitted to inspections is trying to appease the mad dogs of war and still have some dignity. Israel a country that tried to sell atomic weapons to apartheid south Africa did not sign the non proliferation treaty is trying to start world war 3 over Bull crap. Every time Israel threatens war the gas prices go up due to conflict in the middle east. Can you even imagine the price of gas and what it will do to our economy? Can you imagine the never ending war and what it will do to our society? This is freaking madness to the extreme. |
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever.
Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() |
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blah, blah, blah never gets old with you does it? so tell, oh wise one... so what? what does it matter to you or anyone else who sells what to whom? Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty has submitted to inspections is trying to appease the mad dogs of war and still have some dignity. Israel a country that tried to sell atomic weapons to apartheid south Africa did not sign the non proliferation treaty is trying to start world war 3 over Bull crap. Every time Israel threatens war the gas prices go up due to conflict in the middle east. Can you even imagine the price of gas and what it will do to our economy? Can you imagine the never ending war and what it will do to our society? This is freaking madness to the extreme. OMg you are soo behind on things it is not even funny... No wonder why you are so confused, your reading from the ihatejews.com website again... If Iran has done as you say, then there would not be a problem right now... fact is, they won't let anyone inspect nothing, thats why there is a EMBARGO and SANCTIONS in place on iran right for refusing to cooperate... Read some real news for once... |
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blah, blah, blah never gets old with you does it? so tell, oh wise one... so what? what does it matter to you or anyone else who sells what to whom? Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty has submitted to inspections is trying to appease the mad dogs of war and still have some dignity. Israel a country that tried to sell atomic weapons to apartheid south Africa did not sign the non proliferation treaty is trying to start world war 3 over Bull crap. Every time Israel threatens war the gas prices go up due to conflict in the middle east. Can you even imagine the price of gas and what it will do to our economy? Can you imagine the never ending war and what it will do to our society? This is freaking madness to the extreme. OMg you are soo behind on things it is not even funny... No wonder why you are so confused, your reading from the ihatejews.com website again... If Iran has done as you say, then there would not be a problem right now... fact is, they won't let anyone inspect nothing, thats why there is a EMBARGO and SANCTIONS in place on iran right for refusing to cooperate... Read some real news for once... |
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever. Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() |
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever. Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() Unlike CT junkfood? |
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Edited by
Bestinshow
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Thu 08/23/12 04:30 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/31/obama-iran-sanctions_n_1725057.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/06/iran-sanctions-washington/ good reading! ![]() Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Answer from the Christian Science Monitor. Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Iran had 'violated' the treaty ahead of this week's NPT Review Conference in New York. But the UN nuclear watchdog has never used that term. Who's right? By Scott Peterson, Staff writer / May 4, 2010 The answer isn't black and white. It depends on whom you ask – and how deftly you define “violation.” But in essence, Iran is following the letter but not always the spirit of the NPT. ... http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0504/NPT-101-Is-Iran-violating-the-nuclear-treaty I am not willing to see people die over semantics. Our own government says. Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html SO why am I accused of reading websites called IHATEJEWS? |
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Edited by
Ras427
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Thu 08/23/12 05:13 PM
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever. Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() Unlike CT junkfood? |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/31/obama-iran-sanctions_n_1725057.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/06/iran-sanctions-washington/ good reading! ![]() Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Answer from the Christian Science Monitor. Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Iran had 'violated' the treaty ahead of this week's NPT Review Conference in New York. But the UN nuclear watchdog has never used that term. Who's right? By Scott Peterson, Staff writer / May 4, 2010 The answer isn't black and white. It depends on whom you ask – and how deftly you define “violation.” But in essence, Iran is following the letter but not always the spirit of the NPT. ... http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0504/NPT-101-Is-Iran-violating-the-nuclear-treaty I am not willing to see people die over semantics. Our own government says. Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html SO why am I accused of reading websites called IHATEJEWS? should have went deeper into it... you missed a lot http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSBRE87K12I20120821 http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/un-nuclear-watchdog-chief-not-optimistic-over-upcoming-iran-talks-1.460064 this one is a clear violation... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/23/uk-nuclear-iran-enrichment-idUKBRE87M0T820120823 you said " Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty has submitted to inspections is trying to appease the mad dogs of war and still have some dignity. Israel a country that tried to sell atomic weapons to apartheid south Africa did not sign the non proliferation treaty is trying to start world war 3 over Bull crap." I have proved that your wrong in the first sentence, and i haven't seen any proof of your second sentence... |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/31/obama-iran-sanctions_n_1725057.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/06/iran-sanctions-washington/ good reading! ![]() Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Answer from the Christian Science Monitor. Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Iran had 'violated' the treaty ahead of this week's NPT Review Conference in New York. But the UN nuclear watchdog has never used that term. Who's right? By Scott Peterson, Staff writer / May 4, 2010 The answer isn't black and white. It depends on whom you ask – and how deftly you define “violation.” But in essence, Iran is following the letter but not always the spirit of the NPT. ... http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0504/NPT-101-Is-Iran-violating-the-nuclear-treaty I am not willing to see people die over semantics. Our own government says. Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html SO why am I accused of reading websites called IHATEJEWS? should have went deeper into it... you missed a lot http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSBRE87K12I20120821 http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/un-nuclear-watchdog-chief-not-optimistic-over-upcoming-iran-talks-1.460064 this one is a clear violation... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/23/uk-nuclear-iran-enrichment-idUKBRE87M0T820120823 you said " Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty has submitted to inspections is trying to appease the mad dogs of war and still have some dignity. Israel a country that tried to sell atomic weapons to apartheid south Africa did not sign the non proliferation treaty is trying to start world war 3 over Bull crap." I have proved that your wrong in the first sentence, and i haven't seen any proof of your second sentence... |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/31/obama-iran-sanctions_n_1725057.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/06/iran-sanctions-washington/ good reading! ![]() Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Answer from the Christian Science Monitor. Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Iran had 'violated' the treaty ahead of this week's NPT Review Conference in New York. But the UN nuclear watchdog has never used that term. Who's right? By Scott Peterson, Staff writer / May 4, 2010 The answer isn't black and white. It depends on whom you ask – and how deftly you define “violation.” But in essence, Iran is following the letter but not always the spirit of the NPT. ... http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0504/NPT-101-Is-Iran-violating-the-nuclear-treaty I am not willing to see people die over semantics. Our own government says. Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html SO why am I accused of reading websites called IHATEJEWS? should have went deeper into it... you missed a lot http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSBRE87K12I20120821 http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/un-nuclear-watchdog-chief-not-optimistic-over-upcoming-iran-talks-1.460064 this one is a clear violation... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/23/uk-nuclear-iran-enrichment-idUKBRE87M0T820120823 you said " Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty has submitted to inspections is trying to appease the mad dogs of war and still have some dignity. Israel a country that tried to sell atomic weapons to apartheid south Africa did not sign the non proliferation treaty is trying to start world war 3 over Bull crap." I have proved that your wrong in the first sentence, and i haven't seen any proof of your second sentence... ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever. Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() Unlike CT junkfood? Do you know what a logical fallacy is? I counted four and I just glanced at your post. |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/31/obama-iran-sanctions_n_1725057.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/06/iran-sanctions-washington/ good reading! ![]() Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Answer from the Christian Science Monitor. Is Iran violating the nuclear treaty? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Iran had 'violated' the treaty ahead of this week's NPT Review Conference in New York. But the UN nuclear watchdog has never used that term. Who's right? By Scott Peterson, Staff writer / May 4, 2010 The answer isn't black and white. It depends on whom you ask – and how deftly you define “violation.” But in essence, Iran is following the letter but not always the spirit of the NPT. ... http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0504/NPT-101-Is-Iran-violating-the-nuclear-treaty I am not willing to see people die over semantics. Our own government says. Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/world/middleeast/us-agencies-see-no-move-by-iran-to-build-a-bomb.html SO why am I accused of reading websites called IHATEJEWS? should have went deeper into it... you missed a lot http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSBRE87K12I20120821 http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/un-nuclear-watchdog-chief-not-optimistic-over-upcoming-iran-talks-1.460064 this one is a clear violation... http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/23/uk-nuclear-iran-enrichment-idUKBRE87M0T820120823 you said " Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty has submitted to inspections is trying to appease the mad dogs of war and still have some dignity. Israel a country that tried to sell atomic weapons to apartheid south Africa did not sign the non proliferation treaty is trying to start world war 3 over Bull crap." I have proved that your wrong in the first sentence, and i haven't seen any proof of your second sentence... ![]() ![]() ![]() Iran unlike Israel has signed the NPT. What else do I need to say? ![]() |
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Edited by
Ras427
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Fri 08/24/12 05:29 AM
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever. Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() Unlike CT junkfood? Do you know what a logical fallacy is? I counted four and I just glanced at your post. |
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever. Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() Unlike CT junkfood? Do you know what a logical fallacy is? I counted four and I just glanced at your post. ![]() There has never been any evidence that Israel tried to sell or offered to sell nuclear weapons to anybody. Nothing but false innuendo! Makes anyone who claims this to be "evidence" look silly! ![]() ![]() Here's the so-called evidence posted on another of the numerous wanna-be Israel bashing threads currently on mingle2. 1. Memo shows South African interest in nukes on Jericho missiles. So, South Africa had interest. That does not mean Israel supplied them or offered anything nuclear. They did not. 2. Front page of 3rd ISSA minutes says nothing about what was discussed or even if the meeting was canceled or not. 3. Later excerpt from ISSA minutes says there are weapons in three sizes. No mention of which weapons and certainly no indication of nuclear anything. Not obvious if minutes are accurate there are a lot of cross outs and handwritten markings on notes. Israel does say they might supply tanks. ![]() 4. Agreement to keep talks private. Woop de doo. Every country who ever talked to any other country has such an agreement. ![]() 5. Nice diplomatic note from Peres to South Africa in the '70s saying that the two countries share a common interest in peace and working against injustice. Nothing but the usual diplomatic niceties. Big Deal. There is NOTHING in this garbage-trove of diplomatic fluff that in any way implies Israel had any agreement ever to supply South Africa with nuclear weapons. Nothin Nada. ![]() ![]() OK - rant on - just as long as everyone else knows it is a truckload. ![]() |
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Its not a truckload why do you insist on spinning everything wrong Israel does into some type of non issue?
You are only kidding yourself and anyone who cares to do a little research will find the same answers. Israel lobbied hard to keep those memos a secret. My opinion is Israel is the worst ally ever and most of our troubles in the world come from supporting them with nothing at all in return. I know many fine Jewish people and my gripe is our support of a State that is totally out of control. |
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Yep. No proof here whatsoever. Now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ![]() Unlike CT junkfood? Do you know what a logical fallacy is? I counted four and I just glanced at your post. ![]() There has never been any evidence that Israel tried to sell or offered to sell nuclear weapons to anybody. Nothing but false innuendo! Makes anyone who claims this to be "evidence" look silly! ![]() ![]() Here's the so-called evidence posted on another of the numerous wanna-be Israel bashing threads currently on mingle2. 1. Memo shows South African interest in nukes on Jericho missiles. So, South Africa had interest. That does not mean Israel supplied them or offered anything nuclear. They did not. 2. Front page of 3rd ISSA minutes says nothing about what was discussed or even if the meeting was canceled or not. 3. Later excerpt from ISSA minutes says there are weapons in three sizes. No mention of which weapons and certainly no indication of nuclear anything. Not obvious if minutes are accurate there are a lot of cross outs and handwritten markings on notes. Israel does say they might supply tanks. ![]() 4. Agreement to keep talks private. Woop de doo. Every country who ever talked to any other country has such an agreement. ![]() 5. Nice diplomatic note from Peres to South Africa in the '70s saying that the two countries share a common interest in peace and working against injustice. Nothing but the usual diplomatic niceties. Big Deal. There is NOTHING in this garbage-trove of diplomatic fluff that in any way implies Israel had any agreement ever to supply South Africa with nuclear weapons. Nothin Nada. ![]() ![]() OK - rant on - just as long as everyone else knows it is a truckload. ![]() Yep. Anti-semitism cloaked with the usual spin. |
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