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Yeah, the armed forces radio and tv spots were all lies, the photos were fake, and all VN vets are just delusional Surgey in a couple hours to try and fix another one of my wonderful benefits of that war... a gift that just keeps on giving..... Thank you Dow Chemical! media has been known to spin stories, repeat falsehoods, and outright sensationalize rumors,,,,it happens |
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I also heard Elvis claimed black could only shine his shoes, found out its an urban legend.
This particular story has been similarly discredited many places as such a legend. |
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The Stand Your Ground Case
Edited by
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The cops were in Zimmerman’s corner, protecting him, from the very beginning—and treating Trayvon Martin like he was the criminal: ● The police didn’t charge Zimmerman with anything, accepting his claim that he acted in self-defense... even though Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon Martin was “armed” with Skittles and an iced-tea; even though Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds and Trayvon Martin weighed 140 pounds. ● The police told Trayvon’s father one reason Zimmerman wasn’t arrested was because they respected his education background in criminal justice and he had a “squeaky clean” record... ● The police corrected a witness who said she heard a very young voice cry for help, telling her to say she heard Zimmerman call for help... even though three witnesses said they heard the “desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.” (Miami Herald) ● The police did a background check on Trayvon Martin as he lay dead, but not on Zimmerman, the murderer. They tested Trayvon Martin’s blood for alcohol and drugs but not Zimmerman’s. ● The police didn’t even talk to Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, who had been on the phone with him before and during part of the attack. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29987 The police were and are in Zimmers corner because of the facts. Fact one Martin was a juvenile deliquent who was currently on suspension from school for drug and other offenses. Fact two Zimmerman backed off when told by the dispatcher. Witness accounts show that Martin approached Zimmer after he backed off and asked hi if he had a problem and when Zimmer stated no Martin stated you do now and priceeded to attack Zimmer. Fact three an eye witness who is not related to and did not know Zimmerman stated that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help as Martin was on top of him beating the daylights our of him. I can keep going if you want. This is why crap shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion and in the court of law. Fact two is not a fact at all, it is a claim,, there is nothing physical to confirm or deny it,,,, I also would like to be pointed to OFFICIAL document stating from a witness that they saw martin approach zimmer after he backed off...or the other you do now ,,,,,and Im not speaking about JUST news accounts or blogs,,,, I also would like to see the evidence of a report taken AT THE TIME by police that someone saw zimmerman on the ground and the accompanying 911 call that would have certainly followed to validate the 'witness' claim the only FACT there is that Martin had been suspended for having a marijuana baggie,,, the rest are unverified CLAIMS,,,,,being reported by media and repeated by their competitors The Orlando Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told police he lost Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind. The two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, and Martin punched him, jumped on top of him and began banging his head on a sidewalk. Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin's family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ, and emergency tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear. A statement from Sanford, Florida police said the newspaper story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/27/police-zimmerman-story-is-consistent-with-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qOe8F2eo Police are confirming the evidence backs up Zimmermans timeline of events. Oh yeam, good, honest hard working kids dont get suspended from school. and good law abiding men dont go around beating on their girlfriends or pushing on cops unless they do people arent perfect, the kid was 'good' enough to be volunteering several days a week and getting As and Bs in school,,,,, but I guess if a teen smokes pot or uses graffiti that i ndicates they probably are violent, tooo and likewise, an actual HISTORY of aggressive behavior might indicate someone is probably violent when offended as well and since we can assume neither KNEW what type of past behaviors the other had, lets assume they could only judge based upon the actions THAT night (when a grown man possessing a gun followed a 'suspicious' kid and a kid fought with that man and lost his life) and since we will assume both MIGHT Have a violent propensity, why dont we investigate what ACTUALLY happened as opposed to just taking the shooters word for it,,? |
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Topic:
The Stand Your Ground Case
Edited by
msharmony
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THE ORLANDO SENTINEL reported,,,
thats an unverified CLAIM, not an official statement or document,,,, we already know what Zimmerman SAID, but I can SAY I hung out with Smokey Robinson today,, wouldnt make it a FACT |
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To avoid the abuses of the English law (including executions by Henry VIII of those who criticized his repeated marriages), treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, or giving them Aid and Comfort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States that wasnt the question, I know the ambiguous wording of the constitution but what did SHE do that was treasonous,,,,? |
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Getting back to the situation in Florida. Ever hear “Get Whitey”. Florida is just,,,different, right up there with Arizona and Texas.... |
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wow,,, just wow for being followed around in a dark night, punching is overreacting but for speaking words that offend us, assassination is appropriate,,,, ,,,interesting country we have,,, Treason is a capitol offense. what treason did she commit? this is interesting to me,,,, |
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Topic:
The Stand Your Ground Case
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The cops were in Zimmerman’s corner, protecting him, from the very beginning—and treating Trayvon Martin like he was the criminal: ● The police didn’t charge Zimmerman with anything, accepting his claim that he acted in self-defense... even though Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon Martin was “armed” with Skittles and an iced-tea; even though Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds and Trayvon Martin weighed 140 pounds. ● The police told Trayvon’s father one reason Zimmerman wasn’t arrested was because they respected his education background in criminal justice and he had a “squeaky clean” record... ● The police corrected a witness who said she heard a very young voice cry for help, telling her to say she heard Zimmerman call for help... even though three witnesses said they heard the “desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.” (Miami Herald) ● The police did a background check on Trayvon Martin as he lay dead, but not on Zimmerman, the murderer. They tested Trayvon Martin’s blood for alcohol and drugs but not Zimmerman’s. ● The police didn’t even talk to Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, who had been on the phone with him before and during part of the attack. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29987 The police were and are in Zimmers corner because of the facts. Fact one Martin was a juvenile deliquent who was currently on suspension from school for drug and other offenses. Fact two Zimmerman backed off when told by the dispatcher. Witness accounts show that Martin approached Zimmer after he backed off and asked hi if he had a problem and when Zimmer stated no Martin stated you do now and priceeded to attack Zimmer. Fact three an eye witness who is not related to and did not know Zimmerman stated that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help as Martin was on top of him beating the daylights our of him. I can keep going if you want. This is why crap shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion and in the court of law. Fact two is not a fact at all, it is a claim,, there is nothing physical to confirm or deny it,,,, I also would like to be pointed to OFFICIAL document stating from a witness that they saw martin approach zimmer after he backed off...or the other you do now ,,,,,and Im not speaking about JUST news accounts or blogs,,,, I also would like to see the evidence of a report taken AT THE TIME by police that someone saw zimmerman on the ground and the accompanying 911 call that would have certainly followed to validate the 'witness' claim the only FACT there is that Martin had been suspended for having a marijuana baggie,,, the rest are unverified CLAIMS,,,,,being reported by media and repeated by their competitors |
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Topic:
The Stand Your Ground Case
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yes, illegal touch will be the hard thing to prove
Again you fail. Past illegal touch cannot be used to PROVE current illegal touch. Only the evidence gathered in THIS case can be applied to showing in THIS case a person was committing a crime.
until or unless circumstantial evidence of lies on Zimmermans part and a past of 'illegal touch' in Zimmermans past tie together circumstantially to hold him accountable Civil it might be enough, Criminal not even close. not quite past history is often used to prove CHARACTER of a defendant, it can tie in very well in a criminal case,,,, remember the domestic abuse calls being used against OJ? remember past allegations of sexual misconduct being used against MJ? yes, history of behavior goes towards character and character can be a big part of how REASONABLE someones action seems,,, ... and who supported OJ. all thats not proven are the details there is evidence that (at some point) Zimmerman was following the boy there is evidence the boy was shot dead with a gun there is evidence the gun was Zimmermans there is evidence of a fight ...plenty of physical evidence available, the case doesnt HAVE to be proven only on the physical evidence if other circumstantial evidence can paint the picture of motive,,,,, |
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wow,,, just wow
for being followed around in a dark night, punching is overreacting but for speaking words that offend us, assassination is appropriate,,,, ,,,interesting country we have,,, |
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great actress,, should be interesting I will grant that the woman is a good actress. However this would be the same as having Benedict Arnold play the part of George Washington. It is sickening. The woman should have been treated the way Mr. Arnold was, stripped of citizenship had banished to wander the world. Im not quite getting how Nancy Reagan is comparatible to George Washington,,, she was a presidents wife,, what else was so special about her? |
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ok
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great actress,, should be interesting
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Topic:
Famous phrases of horror
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I dont think its a phrase but
'ch ch ch ch,,, ha ha ha ha...ch ch ch ch... ha ha ha ha' terrifying..lol |
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Topic:
Where is the media on this?
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I am sorry, I just shake my head at the ignorance in this thread, but what I think it much worse is the case of this women. http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/02/09/culpeper-officer-shoots-kills-woman/ Zimmerman had his head opened up by Martin and the media is questioning the self defense claim, but in this case the officer is claiming his arm was rolled up in a window which had manual crank windows, at a stop where he had no RAS to detain the person and then decided to shoot 6 times to stop her from leaving. If no RAS, no authority to reach into her vehicle, if no authority then he had no right, if no right he shouldn't have done it, but even if he did do it, how did she roll his arm up into a window without him pulling free given it was a crank and not automatic? Also why shoot at all? She was driving away, he was not in front of the vehicle, and a witness says his arm was NEVER rolled up in the window at all. if a bully punches you and then you knock him onto the pavement, he may get a wound to the head,, but its not simply SELF DEFENSE If he responds by SHOOTING YOu the details are important, not just wounds,,,, |
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Where is the media on this?
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I am sorry, I just shake my head at the ignorance in this thread, but what I think it much worse is the case of this women. http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2012/02/09/culpeper-officer-shoots-kills-woman/ Zimmerman had his head opened up by Martin and the media is questioning the self defense claim, but in this case the officer is claiming his arm was rolled up in a window which had manual crank windows, at a stop where he had no RAS to detain the person and then decided to shoot 6 times to stop her from leaving. If no RAS, no authority to reach into her vehicle, if no authority then he had no right, if no right he shouldn't have done it, but even if he did do it, how did she roll his arm up into a window without him pulling free given it was a crank and not automatic? Also why shoot at all? She was driving away, he was not in front of the vehicle, and a witness says his arm was NEVER rolled up in the window at all. hopefully it will be INVESTIGATED thoroughly but police do tend to get more free passes than every day citizens, |
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Topic:
Where is the media on this?
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doesnt matter let it go to court, figure out who was the AGGRESSOR and who was 'defending' themself You're right it doesn't matter. The race baiters Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, president Obama and their followers have already convicted Zimmerman of murder. It's been made a racial issue by them and the media. Is it a sign of things to come? More racial devide in this country? I'd be willing to bet there will be a couple more of these incidences between now and the election. And if Obama looses there will be riots because all who didn't vote for Obama have to be racists. it hasnt been MADE racial, race is a part of our national dynamic,, it has a potential RACIAL element because of the words from Zimmerman describing him as a black male,,,that in itself mentions RACE and therefore potentially has a racial issue not DEFINITELY, but investigation will decide whether it was or not,, not denying that it could be possible.... this isnt the first incident, since stand your ground there are ALREADY many instances like this , but this happens to be one that isnt going to be pushed under a rug and brushed off and forgotten and noone is going to riot about a presidential election,,, |
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We had a situation right down the road in Indianapolis where a police (s) beat up on a 14 year old boy – yes he is black – The picture in the Star showed him with two big black eyes. A police officer who struck a 14 year old with his fists should be hung up by his balls but nothing happened. Sharpton came into town. The mayor called in the Feds. They sided with the police and didn’t even interview the boy. what I think is that EVERYONE is a human, and therefore capable of any potential character any other human has the police have humans that are sometimes honest who make mistakes, and sometimes they have humans that are bullies, and sometimes they even have humans that are downright dishonest some people put all 'crime' and 'criminals' in one box called NO RIGHTS< and NO REASON TO BE ALIVE once they are dehumanized people just dont care what happens to them or who does it,,, |
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thats interesting
death penalty isnt reserved for just 'heinous' crimes I dont understand the relevance to the decision,,,,,, |
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Topic:
Demonology And Dementia
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I think our spirits can become very sick with negative energies/demons, etc,,
whatver we call it , and manifest in different ways |
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