if there is nothing to hide and Zimmerman is justified, he should hope for a trial,,, Why should he hope for a trial if he is innocent? And, I think you are confusing the purpose of an investigation with the purpose of a trial. a trial to clear his appearance of guilt if the boy should have just been open to answering zimmermans questions, ,zimmerman should have no problem being open to answering the family's..... fair play,,,except zimmerman will walk away from the questions alive,,, |
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then Im sure the pictures of those injuries and the medical exam will come out in a trial,,,,, You don't have a trial if there is no arrest. And, you can't make an arrest without probable cause that a crime was committed. they are several probable causes in the case because of Zimmermans past record of aggressive action against others because of his words to the dispatcher about his frustration with 'aholes' 'getting away' and , recently, because of a portion of a dispatch recording that was initially edited out where he can be heard to say the word 'coons' there should be a trial,,, |
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then Im sure the pictures of those injuries and the medical exam will come out in a trial,,,,, I'm not going to read the whole post, because it starts with a faulty premise. If the DA determines that there is no grounds for prosecution, then there will not be a trial. If Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman, then there should be no grounds for a trial. IF there is no evidence that Treyvon INITIALLY Attacked zimmerman, there should be a trial if there is nothing to hide and Zimmerman is justified, he should hope for a trial,,, |
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I don't think the drug use is the point. The point is that Zimmerman had some pretty bad injuries, including to the back of his head which he states was being smashed into the ground. My answer: yes. then Im sure the pictures of those injuries and the medical exam will come out in a trial,,,,, This is where you are either failing to understand our system of justice, or just dont care and want a political arrest vs an actual legal arrest.
what am I not understanding? that they take pictures when someone has been assaulted and injured? Cause I have been an assault victim, so I think I do have an experience to draw from. I dont want someone to be able to approach, me, my child, or anyone else after intimidating them and insist they answer their question and then be permitted to SHOOT if a fight ensues where they cant back up the woof ticket they sold,,,, I want the EVIDENCE to come out because those involved with the investigation are suspicious, because the MANS actions and words that night were suspicious and REASONABLY could have intimidated a kid in this day and age of pedophiles I want it to come out because this MAN has a history of pushing when he is frustrated and its possible since he was in PURSUIT could have also pushed this boy while confronting him and making it REASONABLE for the boy to fight and if that is what happened, he should not be justified in SHOOTING someone just because he couldnt physically intimidate them into submission,,, |
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I don't think the drug use is the point. The point is that Zimmerman had some pretty bad injuries, including to the back of his head which he states was being smashed into the ground. then Im sure the pictures of those injuries and the medical exam will come out in a trial,,,,, usually, when someone has been assaulted and injured there are pictures taken,, just saying and if he had those injuries, were they justified of a young man fighting for his life against a strange man who had followed him and then confronted the boy about HIS intentions while the man carried a gun,,,,,? did that justify being shot after all that initial intimidation because he wasnt able to detain him or beat him when he had finally intimidated him into fighting for his life? IF he attacked him by his car,, how do they END up in the back of the building? sounds more like he followed him there if the boy initially ran, why would he come back? does he have any recorded history of initiating physical threat? does that sound logical or likely for a boy because he had a marijuana baggy? all Im saying is disclose the truth and give the boy justice,,,,witnesses can lie, on both sides, and witnesses can be mistaken about what they saw,,,, what does the EVIDENCE and common sense say? Did this mans background and tendency to be a wanna be cop, mixed with his having a gun on his person,,,make it likely that he continued to pursue and possibly push (like he has done to his ex wife and a cop in his pasat) to intimidate them into submission? or does this boys empty baggy, and flee AWAY from zimmerman, make it likely that he then decided to come back and confront him, although no history has been disclosed to back this up about the boys character,,,? I just want the evidence shared, I want the facts. The cop on the scene had been known to cover for people before. The original dispatcher tapes had edited out some things that seem damning to Zimmerman, which also indicates possible cover up. If they followed their procedures they should be able to mark where they found the boy,, approximately where the altercation began as well as ended, whether there is the blood dna and spatter that there was a scenario the way Zimmerman described it, and whether Zimmerman harmed or otherwise physically intimidated the boy as opposed to just being 'sucker punched'..... |
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Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head Same scenario I imagined yesterday. As I have already pointed out, this scenario fits all of the evidence we have. Trayvon was a drug using thug who attacked Zimmerman as he was walking back to his car, broke his nose and was pounding his head into the concrete. It was self-defense. ![]() drug using? really? how about this. Zimmerman was a domestic abuser and a police assaulter,,,,, does that still make him the innocent victim of some 'punk' what is the documentation of the drug use? there is documentation of charges against Zimmerman |
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Police sometimes shoot unarmed citizens because they are holding a bag so they think the citizen (or whoever) is armed. This case may not be any different. The media is trying to make it a race issue when there is no evidence of race being involved. The media is also making an issue of the boy's age when men of that size commit crimes every day. There will be more investigation. Trying the case in the media is wrong and just hype. That is wrong too. Police have authority to do many things that citizens do not. IF an officer stops or approaches you, it is clear they are an officer and their authority and weapon status and legitimacy are a given. Their position puts them in a unique position where threat is a regular and a constant so they can , unfortunately, usually pull the fear of physical threat card even if they THOUGHT an unarmed perosn was armed. A citizen approaching you, however, with a gun does not have any clear authority or assumed legitimate reason for having a gun and would be not within their right to shoot another citizen because they dont have the same level of authority to confront a citizen with a weapon on their person. But this man is not a police officer. Had not identifying marks or badge that someone would think he was a police officer with that authority. Trying the case in the media is how all high profile cases are tried, thats a fact of life. IN this case, I think bringing it the attention that it would otherwise not have been given is just and morally conscious and not wrong at all. THere is no evidence of race being involved, except possible racial slurs. But racism is not the crime. The potential crime that needs to be investigated is whether this man HUNTED , CONFRONTED, and then SHOT this young man who was breaking no laws and had no weapon. Race may play a part in why the man saw him as so 'suspicious' though, but thats not something anyone could prove. The boys age is at issue because he was unarmed and being followed by a grown man with a GUN. 17 year olds in most other cases arent repeatedly called 'men'. Juniors in high school arent yet 'men' or 'women'. Men hold jobs and can legally have weapons. This was a boy in school , volunteering four days a week, with no weapon, visiting family friends. When young men have to fear being hunted down , its an issue. The hell they don't. Have you not heard of something called a Citizens Arrest or a Good Samaritan Law? I guarantee that if I saw a crime being committed and there was not law enforcement around I would do whatever I could to try and stop the suspect until they got there. I have heard it. The good samaritan applies to situations where AIDE is being given to someone else. This doesnt apply here. A Citizens Arrest In a citizens arrest a crime has to have ACTUALLY occurred or the citizen is legally liable. As in this case.... Do we know for a fact that a crime wasn't committed? Are you privy to parts of the investigation that the rest of the country and media isn't? if so do fill us in. Also if the person was acting in good faith they wont be held liable, even if they made a mistake. I imagine since he was only found with skittles and a drink, he hadnt stolen anything so yeah, I pretty much can guarantee he had not committed a crime that night that he was pursued yes, good faith, without a crime, makes you legally liable for the consequences.... So theft is the only crime he could have committed? Not if you believed there was a crime in progress. what crime could be in progress from a sidewalk?.. please enlighten me... if you approach someone to try to arrest them and they have not committed a crime,, you will be legally liable if any harm results,,,, thats one reason why people dont do it everyday, because most understand if their ASSUMPTION is wrong they can be held liable,,,, There obviously was a crime committed otherwise Zimmerman would have been arrested by now if that were the case. Actually probably not as long as he was acting in good cause, good faith. no, he wasnt arrested because they couldnt yet prove he had broken the law,, ,it had nothing to do with whether Martin committed a crime,,, IM surprised at the intellectual dishonesty to make the suggestion that one has anything to do with the other,,, They need to provide the detailed about the crime the teenager comitted. do you get that he committed NO Crime....???? seriously? wow? thats the whole focus of the outrage about his pursuit and death.... actually the outrage started because the initial press reports were that Zimmerman was white.. this ties into what you can read here on a daily basis. whites are racists.. especially the ones that disagree with obama's failed and catastrophic economic policy.. a tragedy that has been turned into a political rally.. it is pretty appalling to be honest.. That's Obama, Jackson and Sharpton for you. its a good majority of americans, especially parents who have kids that may sometimes wear 'hoodies' or be in areas where they 'look suspicious' |
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oh yeah the defense attorney is saying this isnt a stand your ground case because the law is mostly used in relation to people inside your HOME or on private property the defense is merely going to be 'self defense' SYG has nothing to do with this case, why? Because they have an eye witness which has said Martin was beating Zimmerman from a dominant position while Zimmerman was on his back. To all the kids out there, dont get in fights. You could loose your life, fights are not fun and games. Your rights end where another persons rights start. do you get that he committed NO Crime....???? Except assault and battery . . .
The kid was being a punk. If someone tried to detain me like that and I was truly innocent I would not fight, wait for the police to arrive, have the guy arrested for false arrest and false imprisonment then get his information so I can sue his a$$. This kid was trying to be a tough guy and a punk. More speculation. there is no WITNESS that he did or did not detain the boy, ,that is the point there are various witnesses to the altercation at different moments of the altercation some saw the man on top, noone has said they saw someone with a grey hoody on top, w hich is how the boy was described BY ZIMMERMAN himself the JOHN who supposedly saw them on the street has not yet had any 911 recording released that he called for help after there IS a 911 call from a black boy who was later interviewed who only said he saw someone BEHIND the houses (not on the street near cars as Zimmerman is claiming it initiated), ironically, t his boy says HIS DOG got loose and then he ran in the house to call 911 and 911 recordings confirm this BOYS story you assume this boy is a punk, although he is a volunteer, an A and B student, a volunteer, with no history of run ins with the law, or history of aggression or temper, who (by zimmermans own account on the phone) RAN AWAY from ZIMMERMAN to believe its more likely this same boy came back and assaulted ZIMMERMAN than it is that this man who was already FOLLOWING HIM and had IDENTIFIED him in his mind as no good, and who himself has a RECORD of domestic abuse allegation and violence against an officer (both of which started with a PUSH from ZIMMERMAN) is beyond me but people can keep looking for justification why this man pursued and then ended up shooting this boy who had harmed and done nothing to anyone , except maybe not be SUBMISSIVE enough for Zimmermans taste if and when he approached him asking him what he was doing there (as if someone owed him an explanation when he IS NOT a police officer) and carrying a weapon that would only initiate further fear in a young man who was aware of the man following him ,,,,,, |
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i have researched like crazy and there is no evideence of where the original gospels are and no physical evidence of the biblical characters.Moses,Noah,Jesus..etc.hell msharmony read up on King David besides a piece of something with the word David on it theres no physical evidence that king david even existed.Actually theres only assumptions where his Kingdom might have been.Linking possibilities isn't linking actual evidence.Funny how they can find all these older than abrahamic biblical characters that resemble abrahamic characters but can't find evidence of actual abrahamic characters. its not really that odd that billions of people dont all have 'physical' evidence of their existence left behind thousands of years later they didnt have printing presses in biblical days and material deteriorates,,,, |
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Police sometimes shoot unarmed citizens because they are holding a bag so they think the citizen (or whoever) is armed. This case may not be any different. The media is trying to make it a race issue when there is no evidence of race being involved. The media is also making an issue of the boy's age when men of that size commit crimes every day. There will be more investigation. Trying the case in the media is wrong and just hype. That is wrong too. Police have authority to do many things that citizens do not. IF an officer stops or approaches you, it is clear they are an officer and their authority and weapon status and legitimacy are a given. Their position puts them in a unique position where threat is a regular and a constant so they can , unfortunately, usually pull the fear of physical threat card even if they THOUGHT an unarmed perosn was armed. A citizen approaching you, however, with a gun does not have any clear authority or assumed legitimate reason for having a gun and would be not within their right to shoot another citizen because they dont have the same level of authority to confront a citizen with a weapon on their person. But this man is not a police officer. Had not identifying marks or badge that someone would think he was a police officer with that authority. Trying the case in the media is how all high profile cases are tried, thats a fact of life. IN this case, I think bringing it the attention that it would otherwise not have been given is just and morally conscious and not wrong at all. THere is no evidence of race being involved, except possible racial slurs. But racism is not the crime. The potential crime that needs to be investigated is whether this man HUNTED , CONFRONTED, and then SHOT this young man who was breaking no laws and had no weapon. Race may play a part in why the man saw him as so 'suspicious' though, but thats not something anyone could prove. The boys age is at issue because he was unarmed and being followed by a grown man with a GUN. 17 year olds in most other cases arent repeatedly called 'men'. Juniors in high school arent yet 'men' or 'women'. Men hold jobs and can legally have weapons. This was a boy in school , volunteering four days a week, with no weapon, visiting family friends. When young men have to fear being hunted down , its an issue. The hell they don't. Have you not heard of something called a Citizens Arrest or a Good Samaritan Law? I guarantee that if I saw a crime being committed and there was not law enforcement around I would do whatever I could to try and stop the suspect until they got there. I have heard it. The good samaritan applies to situations where AIDE is being given to someone else. This doesnt apply here. A Citizens Arrest In a citizens arrest a crime has to have ACTUALLY occurred or the citizen is legally liable. As in this case.... Do we know for a fact that a crime wasn't committed? Are you privy to parts of the investigation that the rest of the country and media isn't? if so do fill us in. Also if the person was acting in good faith they wont be held liable, even if they made a mistake. I imagine since he was only found with skittles and a drink, he hadnt stolen anything so yeah, I pretty much can guarantee he had not committed a crime that night that he was pursued yes, good faith, without a crime, makes you legally liable for the consequences.... So theft is the only crime he could have committed? Not if you believed there was a crime in progress. what crime could be in progress from a sidewalk?.. please enlighten me... if you approach someone to try to arrest them and they have not committed a crime,, you will be legally liable if any harm results,,,, thats one reason why people dont do it everyday, because most understand if their ASSUMPTION is wrong they can be held liable,,,, There obviously was a crime committed otherwise Zimmerman would have been arrested by now if that were the case. Actually probably not as long as he was acting in good cause, good faith. no, he wasnt arrested because they couldnt yet prove he had broken the law,, ,it had nothing to do with whether Martin committed a crime,,, IM surprised at the intellectual dishonesty to make the suggestion that one has anything to do with the other,,, They need to provide the detailed about the crime the teenager comitted. do you get that he committed NO Crime....???? seriously? wow? thats the whole focus of the outrage about his pursuit and death.... actually the outrage started because the initial press reports were that Zimmerman was white.. this ties into what you can read here on a daily basis. whites are racists.. especially the ones that disagree with obama's failed and catastrophic economic policy.. a tragedy that has been turned into a political rally.. it is pretty appalling to be honest.. I dont recall the parents having an issue with his race, I do recall that they wanted justice for their son and questioned the police handling of his death I have heard much more about him being profiled for his clothes than I have his race, although there is the question of whether race played a part. Even if Zimmerman had been black, with his history, the question of racial profiling would be relevant. Profiling doesnt only happen interracially,,,,, I cant deny that racism is real or that some people may be having the issue with the race but the INITIAL complaint and the consistent complaint of the parents is that their son deserves justice all whites arent racist, but most americans because of our history and our media, will subconsciously profile and stereotype other americans thats the elephant in the room noone wants to face, but its true a tragedy was quite possibly going to be written off as an 'oops', and that would have been the real tragedy at least now their will be pressure to truly look at the details and disclose to the parents why their son had to die that night... |
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Ya know kleistos rants do make sense.Sometimes i wonder also. 1)where are the original gospels? 2)theres no evidence of any of the biblical characters,besides the bible. 3)why didn't Jesus write his own gospel? 4)The floods did cover the entire earth,but believers even discredit their own book by saying the floods didn't.Read some of the threads. research can answer those questions 1) http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/originalbooks.htm 2)http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/history-of-the-apostles-faq.htm 3) My answer would be, he was here to fulfill gospels already existing, not to write his own. 4) there are conflicting theories regarding the flood, no concrete proof that it did or did not cover the earth (as it would have been referred to in biblical times, not as it is now...) 4) |
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Oh, btw, my kid's allowances where based on their report card. $1 a week for A's, 50 cents for B's. Worked well when they were young. When they became teenagers the expenses hit and had to raise it substantially. Could always count on them to lend me a hand. different incentives work for different kids, despite the 'experts', child rearing is not one size fits all,,, lol its cool your kids did well academically I dont think I ever had a defined monetary reward for anything, I was expected to contribute at home and make good grades and sometimes I would randomly and suprisingly get 'rewarded' I think I appreciated those rewards much more because they were random and not an entitlement,,,, |
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By the time they act on it, so many people will see the light it won't matter anymore, let them come, let us finish this so the world can finally act as one and take to the stars as we should. you know that everything with a beginning must end,,,,, thats life I dont see the evidence to indicate that such actions are coming soon,, but then again 'soon' is subjective Im much more worried about things like poverty, the growing gap between the haves and have nots, the decreasing ability of our kids to compete globally with our educational system,,,,stuff like that that really is happening NOW,.,,,, |
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its not exactly something OBAMA can lay individual claim to
The Defense Production Act (Pub.L. 81-774) is a United States law enacted on September 8, 1950, in response to the start of the Korean War. It was part of a broad civil defense and war mobilization effort in the context of the Cold War. Its implementing regulations, the Defense Priorities and Allocation System (DPAS), are located at 15 CFR §§700 to 700.93. The Act has been periodically reauthorized and amended, and remains in force as of 2012. The Act contains three major sections. The first authorizes the President to require businesses to sign contracts or fulfill orders deemed necessary for national defense. The second authorizes the President to establish mechanisms (such as regulations, orders or agencies) to allocate materials, services and facilities to promote national defense. The third section authorizes the President to control the civilian economy so that scarce and/or critical materials necessary to the national defense effort are available for defense needs.[1] The Act also authorizes the President to requisition property, force industry to expand production and the supply of basic resources, impose wage and price controls, settle labor disputes, control consumer and real estate credit, establish contractual priorities, and allocate raw materials to aid the national defense.[1] The President's authority to place contracts under the DPA is the part of the Act most often used by the Department of Defense (DOD) since the 1970s. Most of the other functions of the Act are administered by the Office of Strategic Industries and Economic Security (SIES) in the Bureau of Industry and Security in the Department of Commerce.[2] ..these policies have been in place under every president since 1950 |
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Police sometimes shoot unarmed citizens because they are holding a bag so they think the citizen (or whoever) is armed. This case may not be any different. The media is trying to make it a race issue when there is no evidence of race being involved. The media is also making an issue of the boy's age when men of that size commit crimes every day. There will be more investigation. Trying the case in the media is wrong and just hype. That is wrong too. Police have authority to do many things that citizens do not. IF an officer stops or approaches you, it is clear they are an officer and their authority and weapon status and legitimacy are a given. Their position puts them in a unique position where threat is a regular and a constant so they can , unfortunately, usually pull the fear of physical threat card even if they THOUGHT an unarmed perosn was armed. A citizen approaching you, however, with a gun does not have any clear authority or assumed legitimate reason for having a gun and would be not within their right to shoot another citizen because they dont have the same level of authority to confront a citizen with a weapon on their person. But this man is not a police officer. Had not identifying marks or badge that someone would think he was a police officer with that authority. Trying the case in the media is how all high profile cases are tried, thats a fact of life. IN this case, I think bringing it the attention that it would otherwise not have been given is just and morally conscious and not wrong at all. THere is no evidence of race being involved, except possible racial slurs. But racism is not the crime. The potential crime that needs to be investigated is whether this man HUNTED , CONFRONTED, and then SHOT this young man who was breaking no laws and had no weapon. Race may play a part in why the man saw him as so 'suspicious' though, but thats not something anyone could prove. The boys age is at issue because he was unarmed and being followed by a grown man with a GUN. 17 year olds in most other cases arent repeatedly called 'men'. Juniors in high school arent yet 'men' or 'women'. Men hold jobs and can legally have weapons. This was a boy in school , volunteering four days a week, with no weapon, visiting family friends. When young men have to fear being hunted down , its an issue. The hell they don't. Have you not heard of something called a Citizens Arrest or a Good Samaritan Law? I guarantee that if I saw a crime being committed and there was not law enforcement around I would do whatever I could to try and stop the suspect until they got there. I have heard it. The good samaritan applies to situations where AIDE is being given to someone else. This doesnt apply here. A Citizens Arrest In a citizens arrest a crime has to have ACTUALLY occurred or the citizen is legally liable. As in this case.... Do we know for a fact that a crime wasn't committed? Are you privy to parts of the investigation that the rest of the country and media isn't? if so do fill us in. Also if the person was acting in good faith they wont be held liable, even if they made a mistake. I imagine since he was only found with skittles and a drink, he hadnt stolen anything so yeah, I pretty much can guarantee he had not committed a crime that night that he was pursued yes, good faith, without a crime, makes you legally liable for the consequences.... So theft is the only crime he could have committed? Not if you believed there was a crime in progress. what crime could be in progress from a sidewalk?.. please enlighten me... if you approach someone to try to arrest them and they have not committed a crime,, you will be legally liable if any harm results,,,, thats one reason why people dont do it everyday, because most understand if their ASSUMPTION is wrong they can be held liable,,,, There obviously was a crime committed otherwise Zimmerman would have been arrested by now if that were the case. Actually probably not as long as he was acting in good cause, good faith. no, he wasnt arrested because they couldnt yet prove he had broken the law,, ,it had nothing to do with whether Martin committed a crime,,, IM surprised at the intellectual dishonesty to make the suggestion that one has anything to do with the other,,, They need to provide the detailed about the crime the teenager comitted. do you get that he committed NO Crime....???? seriously? wow? thats the whole focus of the outrage about his pursuit and death.... |
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Police sometimes shoot unarmed citizens because they are holding a bag so they think the citizen (or whoever) is armed. This case may not be any different. The media is trying to make it a race issue when there is no evidence of race being involved. The media is also making an issue of the boy's age when men of that size commit crimes every day. There will be more investigation. Trying the case in the media is wrong and just hype. That is wrong too. Police have authority to do many things that citizens do not. IF an officer stops or approaches you, it is clear they are an officer and their authority and weapon status and legitimacy are a given. Their position puts them in a unique position where threat is a regular and a constant so they can , unfortunately, usually pull the fear of physical threat card even if they THOUGHT an unarmed perosn was armed. A citizen approaching you, however, with a gun does not have any clear authority or assumed legitimate reason for having a gun and would be not within their right to shoot another citizen because they dont have the same level of authority to confront a citizen with a weapon on their person. But this man is not a police officer. Had not identifying marks or badge that someone would think he was a police officer with that authority. Trying the case in the media is how all high profile cases are tried, thats a fact of life. IN this case, I think bringing it the attention that it would otherwise not have been given is just and morally conscious and not wrong at all. THere is no evidence of race being involved, except possible racial slurs. But racism is not the crime. The potential crime that needs to be investigated is whether this man HUNTED , CONFRONTED, and then SHOT this young man who was breaking no laws and had no weapon. Race may play a part in why the man saw him as so 'suspicious' though, but thats not something anyone could prove. The boys age is at issue because he was unarmed and being followed by a grown man with a GUN. 17 year olds in most other cases arent repeatedly called 'men'. Juniors in high school arent yet 'men' or 'women'. Men hold jobs and can legally have weapons. This was a boy in school , volunteering four days a week, with no weapon, visiting family friends. When young men have to fear being hunted down , its an issue. The hell they don't. Have you not heard of something called a Citizens Arrest or a Good Samaritan Law? I guarantee that if I saw a crime being committed and there was not law enforcement around I would do whatever I could to try and stop the suspect until they got there. I have heard it. The good samaritan applies to situations where AIDE is being given to someone else. This doesnt apply here. A Citizens Arrest In a citizens arrest a crime has to have ACTUALLY occurred or the citizen is legally liable. As in this case.... Do we know for a fact that a crime wasn't committed? Are you privy to parts of the investigation that the rest of the country and media isn't? if so do fill us in. Also if the person was acting in good faith they wont be held liable, even if they made a mistake. I imagine since he was only found with skittles and a drink, he hadnt stolen anything so yeah, I pretty much can guarantee he had not committed a crime that night that he was pursued yes, good faith, without a crime, makes you legally liable for the consequences.... So theft is the only crime he could have committed? Not if you believed there was a crime in progress. what crime could be in progress from a sidewalk?.. please enlighten me... if you approach someone to try to arrest them and they have not committed a crime,, you will be legally liable if any harm results,,,, thats one reason why people dont do it everyday, because most understand if their ASSUMPTION is wrong they can be held liable,,,, There obviously was a crime committed otherwise Zimmerman would have been arrested by now if that were the case. Actually probably not as long as he was acting in good cause, good faith. no, he wasnt arrested because they couldnt yet prove he had broken the law,, ,it had nothing to do with whether Martin committed a crime,,, IM surprised at the intellectual dishonesty to make the suggestion that one has anything to do with the other,,, |
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Police sometimes shoot unarmed citizens because they are holding a bag so they think the citizen (or whoever) is armed. This case may not be any different. The media is trying to make it a race issue when there is no evidence of race being involved. The media is also making an issue of the boy's age when men of that size commit crimes every day. There will be more investigation. Trying the case in the media is wrong and just hype. That is wrong too. Police have authority to do many things that citizens do not. IF an officer stops or approaches you, it is clear they are an officer and their authority and weapon status and legitimacy are a given. Their position puts them in a unique position where threat is a regular and a constant so they can , unfortunately, usually pull the fear of physical threat card even if they THOUGHT an unarmed perosn was armed. A citizen approaching you, however, with a gun does not have any clear authority or assumed legitimate reason for having a gun and would be not within their right to shoot another citizen because they dont have the same level of authority to confront a citizen with a weapon on their person. But this man is not a police officer. Had not identifying marks or badge that someone would think he was a police officer with that authority. Trying the case in the media is how all high profile cases are tried, thats a fact of life. IN this case, I think bringing it the attention that it would otherwise not have been given is just and morally conscious and not wrong at all. THere is no evidence of race being involved, except possible racial slurs. But racism is not the crime. The potential crime that needs to be investigated is whether this man HUNTED , CONFRONTED, and then SHOT this young man who was breaking no laws and had no weapon. Race may play a part in why the man saw him as so 'suspicious' though, but thats not something anyone could prove. The boys age is at issue because he was unarmed and being followed by a grown man with a GUN. 17 year olds in most other cases arent repeatedly called 'men'. Juniors in high school arent yet 'men' or 'women'. Men hold jobs and can legally have weapons. This was a boy in school , volunteering four days a week, with no weapon, visiting family friends. When young men have to fear being hunted down , its an issue. A classic case of you deciding what is right with no knowledge of what actually happened. ITs a case of me having an opinion about how it was HANDLED and the attention it deserves and the opportunity for the family to GAIN knowledge of what happened ,,,even if it takes pressure from the national community to do so,,, You only know what you have heard on the mass media. You weren't there and know nothing about how it was handled. And "men" are often in the military, 17 years old and carry weapons, so your statements about what are "men" and who are boys and, again, just your opinion which conflicts with the facts. that assumes that being in the military is the same as being a man,, which is not at all true, but thats a whole other debate we send children to war, that is pretty well recognized , it still doesnt prove they arent still children but thats irrelevant here because THIS 'man' was not a militant with a weapon, he was a high school junior and volunteer with candy and a drink... and my opinion doesnt conflict with 'facts' at all as few 'facts' have been revealed besides a short summary on a police report and the testimony of witnesses who dont even seem to give the same account (probably because they were witnessing the ordeal at different moments) and also some background on the two involved the boy , a high school football player and volunteer with no criminal background or known violent tendencies or episodes, and a past hero who risked death to save his dad from a fire the man, a married , working man, who spent alot of time looking out for 'suspicious' people and had a past assault against someone else,,,(later dropped, but serious enough to consider given these circumstances), who was 'fed up' according to a friend and who implied as much to the dispatcher when he stated the 'aholes' always get away, and something was 'wrong' with the dude A day in court for that young man is all I want to see.... No violent history and he just happens to start a fight with someone the night he gets shot? ![]() if you have information about violence in his past, please present it otherwise he has no known history of violence or even trouble with the law,, unlike the shooter,,,, Ummmmmm he faught the shooter, and they haven't said anything about the shooters background. oh my goodness, he FOUGHT Someone with a gun and a threatening disposition? yeah, certainly deserves the death penalty,,,, |
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The Stand Your Ground Case
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Police sometimes shoot unarmed citizens because they are holding a bag so they think the citizen (or whoever) is armed. This case may not be any different. The media is trying to make it a race issue when there is no evidence of race being involved. The media is also making an issue of the boy's age when men of that size commit crimes every day. There will be more investigation. Trying the case in the media is wrong and just hype. That is wrong too. Police have authority to do many things that citizens do not. IF an officer stops or approaches you, it is clear they are an officer and their authority and weapon status and legitimacy are a given. Their position puts them in a unique position where threat is a regular and a constant so they can , unfortunately, usually pull the fear of physical threat card even if they THOUGHT an unarmed perosn was armed. A citizen approaching you, however, with a gun does not have any clear authority or assumed legitimate reason for having a gun and would be not within their right to shoot another citizen because they dont have the same level of authority to confront a citizen with a weapon on their person. But this man is not a police officer. Had not identifying marks or badge that someone would think he was a police officer with that authority. Trying the case in the media is how all high profile cases are tried, thats a fact of life. IN this case, I think bringing it the attention that it would otherwise not have been given is just and morally conscious and not wrong at all. THere is no evidence of race being involved, except possible racial slurs. But racism is not the crime. The potential crime that needs to be investigated is whether this man HUNTED , CONFRONTED, and then SHOT this young man who was breaking no laws and had no weapon. Race may play a part in why the man saw him as so 'suspicious' though, but thats not something anyone could prove. The boys age is at issue because he was unarmed and being followed by a grown man with a GUN. 17 year olds in most other cases arent repeatedly called 'men'. Juniors in high school arent yet 'men' or 'women'. Men hold jobs and can legally have weapons. This was a boy in school , volunteering four days a week, with no weapon, visiting family friends. When young men have to fear being hunted down , its an issue. The hell they don't. Have you not heard of something called a Citizens Arrest or a Good Samaritan Law? I guarantee that if I saw a crime being committed and there was not law enforcement around I would do whatever I could to try and stop the suspect until they got there. I have heard it. The good samaritan applies to situations where AIDE is being given to someone else. This doesnt apply here. A Citizens Arrest In a citizens arrest a crime has to have ACTUALLY occurred or the citizen is legally liable. As in this case.... Do we know for a fact that a crime wasn't committed? Are you privy to parts of the investigation that the rest of the country and media isn't? if so do fill us in. Also if the person was acting in good faith they wont be held liable, even if they made a mistake. I imagine since he was only found with skittles and a drink, he hadnt stolen anything so yeah, I pretty much can guarantee he had not committed a crime that night that he was pursued yes, good faith, without a crime, makes you legally liable for the consequences.... So theft is the only crime he could have committed? Not if you believed there was a crime in progress. what crime could be in progress from a sidewalk?.. please enlighten me... if you approach someone to try to arrest them and they have not committed a crime,, you will be legally liable if any harm results,,,, thats one reason why people dont do it everyday, because most understand if their ASSUMPTION is wrong they can be held liable,,,, |
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The Stand Your Ground Case
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oh yeah the defense attorney is saying this isnt a stand your ground case because the law is mostly used in relation to people inside your HOME or on private property the defense is merely going to be 'self defense' The kid was fighting. Self defense right there. For whom? The kid was also 'standing his ground' (having been pursued). The kid was being a punk. If someone tried to detain me like that and I was truly innocent I would not fight, wait for the police to arrive, have the guy arrested for false arrest and false imprisonment then get his information so I can sue his a$$. This kid was trying to be a tough guy and a punk. trying to detain you like what? following you? confronting you with a gun? asking you (threateningly) what you are doing there? exposing they had a gun? reaching for you? would any of those actions, at 17, after being followed by a grown man who left his car to do so, cause you to just be calm and sit there till cops come? ,,ok,, if you say so,,,, |
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