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Fellow Obama Supporters
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If you people want some so and so sitting behind a desk in Washington to run your lives for you that your business. Personally I don't. He doesnt run my life really. But he provides some motivation and support/opposition to the ones in congress that do. and he represents america/americans to the rest of the world,,,and global relations,,, not quite,,,, Osama bin laden,, gone Libya AId to israel ,,,,you get the drift though LOL ok what exactly did he do to get Osama? Nothing, it was stuff that was already in place and it was the military. Its like giving the CEO of some company the credit for what the Engineers designed. Or even more dramatic than that. excuse me, he GAVE THE ORDER,,,, an engineers design is not of much value if it is never USED,,,, and it shows that he has not just gone around 'apologizing'.... |
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Recovery from religion...
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It is a good thing that it is becoming more mainstream to be religionless especially the major religions which are the great destructors. Next we need to get it out of the government and schools so it can be practiced at home where the founders wanted it to be. Would then limit the 'free practice thereof'. How will a soldier pray? How will a Muslim pray as exorted by Allah when he is in school to attend class but must pray? What will a Christ trained child think after being told that God is only practiced in the home like a secret shame? What right gives any one of us the right to remove from another a thing we have... Freedom to be. with the removal of religion from schools, etc. perhaps 'worship breaktimes' will be enacted to accomodate prayer rituals. 'freedom to be' 'being' (human actions with his brother man) 'prayer' communication with god freedom to live (freedom to be) according to one`s belief has never been hampered. children can be taught in the home about god, love, brotherhood, fairness, etc. when this is carried in the heart and soul, displayed by acts,,,,why must worship be done publicly, when it is truly done in the heart. on the other hand, why should it be RESTRICTED from public? why force people to keep their religion secret essentially by limiting its expression to behind closed doors? |
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Recovery from religion...
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msharmony wrote: I find, usually, most non believers have an extensive background of 'abuse' of some sort, and religion becomes the scapegoat that they feel relief ridding themself of,,, just my observation though my reply: Roman Catholic boys come to mind for me, They would not have been abused if they had not been in religion. :( thats not necessarily true,, pedophiles walk in all areas of life, although areas where children are available and trusting have more potential,,(such as boys and girls organizations, catholic churches, schools, social work,,,etc,,) |
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Does that mean all cases should meet that low standard? Or that we should try to raise the standard for those examples that do not meet the standards? PROBLEM: few crimes have witness testimony that can PROVE what happened and even witness testimony has shown to be flawed in high stress situations so the 'standard' will vary from case to case however, definition of a high 'standard' put aside,,,, the law should be applied CONSISTENTLY, whether its regarded as a low or a high standard murder and homicide should not be contingent upon whether the one to lose their life is a felon, let alone PERCEIVED to be a felon people should not have the right to be executioners or bullies because they perceive someone to potentially be a criminal,,, and where HUMAN life is taken, a higher 'standard' of evidence should be called for That was the purpose of the section of the law that talks about a forcible felony. There are very specific criteria that does not allow it to really do what you guys think it allows. I really want you to answer my question. If you could right now, raise the standard to make it equal, or lower the standard to make it equal, what would you do? Which would be more just? Which would support innocent until proven guilty? just, to me , is balanced where there is consistency, there is balance, so I cant really say which would be more just if applied consistently I do believe in the innocent until proven guilty, and proven guilty beyond a 'reasonable' doubt is totally dependent upon a jury and their personal interpretations of what is 'reasonable' I think in cases where an intruder has 'broken' in someones home, benefit of the doubt should be given to the resident I think in cases where an intruder does not appear to have 'broken' in, more investigation should be warranted before benefit of doubt is given I think in cases where people are in PUBLIC, an investigation should always follow wherever there has been physical harm or death |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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its good to see kindness,,,, thats all
I just saw it and it gave me a smile,,, thought ID share nice to know your disagreements dont become personal hatred towards an individual,,,, |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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something to smile about,,,,, www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/deaf-student-obama-sign-language_n_1369118.html?ref=mostpopular what a thoughtful man,,,,and educated too,,,lol I know a bit of ASL also, does that make me a good leader? Just fixed the link...does that make me a IT Technician? 
nope, but it makes you knowledgable in an areas others might not be, and knowledge is a plus,,,, |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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something to smile about,,,,, www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/deaf-student-obama-sign-language_n_1369118.html?ref=mostpopular what a thoughtful man,,,,and educated too,,,lol I know a bit of ASL also, does that make me a good leader? no, it would probably make me consider you an educated communicator which is a good asset for a leader to have and it would also make me smile, as kindness by people usually does, regardless of their political affiliations,,, |
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Does that mean all cases should meet that low standard? Or that we should try to raise the standard for those examples that do not meet the standards?
PROBLEM: few crimes have witness testimony that can PROVE what happened and even witness testimony has shown to be flawed in high stress situations so the 'standard' will vary from case to case however, definition of a high 'standard' put aside,,,, the law should be applied CONSISTENTLY, whether its regarded as a low or a high standard murder and homicide should not be contingent upon whether the one to lose their life is a felon, let alone PERCEIVED to be a felon people should not have the right to be executioners or bullies because they perceive someone to potentially be a criminal,,, and where HUMAN life is taken, a higher 'standard' of evidence should be called for |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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Socialists and liberals and aliens,, oh my!!!!
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I hope it is solved too. But I fear the available 'facts' will be too slim to prove or disprove who initiated the threat of deadly force, to either justify or condemn this boys death. I guess our system is despotic, tyrannical, and anarchistic then because many a case is won with 'circumstantial evidence' as opposed to 'facts' |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 03/23/12 02:21 PM
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Driving into to work this morning I was listening to news and they are now describing Zimmerman as white hispanic.. WTF Does anyone call Obama a white african? I have to explain american demographics here african is a nationality, and africa is actually a continent white is a race hispanic is an ethnicity we could call obama a white african, although he is not from the nation of africa,,, we recognize the HISPANIC ethnicity because of their growing numbers in america and so our census now includes white (not of hispanic ethnicity),,, which implies that there is also a white that is of hispanic descent,,, there is also black (not of hispanic ethnicity), which implies there is also black of hispanic ethnicity there is not yet on our census,, white of african ethnicity,,, I suspect, the original story just described zimmerman as white, and fearing racial overtones, the family wanted to make sure he was identified as hispanic perhaps feeling that would change the racial overtone of the story,,,, |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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Oh and unlike Bush he isn't in the gas business so he isn't making billions off gas prices like Bush did. That is a plus that isn't even his fault. So let me get this right, you are happy to pay double for gas, just so long as President Bush isn't making a profit on it? You do realize that President Bush didn't make a dime of profits on oil when he was president and gas prices were half of what they are now, right? Oh excuse me, misprint here. All of Bush's family made a killing off the gas prices and are making a killing off the gas prices now but Obama is not.. So making a profit is a crime? in some circumstance it can be considered a 'conflict of interest' and prone to ethics violations charges,,, |
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I wish it would die,,,,
and people can stop pretending like Rush gets paid to do anything but be offensive to others,,, |
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Stand Your Ground
Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 03/23/12 01:55 PM
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My comment: I like the law...
Pan in the other thread this was the claim being made, which makes this NOT begging the question, but asking for someone to explain there reasoning.
I refuse to acknowledge your request of "Then please explain why this law is problematic." That is begging the question... I see nothing wrong with the law, I challenge anyone who does to explain what the problem is that they see. So far all we have is a few people who do not like the lack of evidence in a particular case. I dont like the law being vague enough to give passes to vigilante citizens because it presupposes that the citizens can judge a lawful activity from an unlawful one, and act accordingly with deadly force,,, I think it encourages the idea that a felons life is expendable, regardless of whether the felon involves physical harm to another or not,,, I think it encourages dangerous/reckless vigilantaism |
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Stand Your Ground
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we will wait and see
but Im sure, in absence of witnesses to how the fight begun the law in Florida will be on the side of the survivor |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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If you people want some so and so sitting behind a desk in Washington to run your lives for you that your business. Personally I don't. He doesnt run my life really. But he provides some motivation and support/opposition to the ones in congress that do. and he represents america/americans to the rest of the world,,,and global relations,,, not quite,,,, Osama bin laden,, gone Libya AId to israel ,,,,you get the drift though |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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Don't you guys think you are setting the bar a bit low? Seeking President: Must know ASL. Socialists who drastically raise gas prices, increase unemployment and national debt are okay. Racial politics are a plus. thats called an EXTRA,, like in a job description where spanish is preferred it is generally better to be able to communicate with more people as opposed to less, but its not a mandate presidents dont control gas prices or unemployment rates in any direct way and congress passes budgets along WITH the president,,,, |
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Fellow Obama Supporters
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If you people want some so and so sitting behind a desk in Washington to run your lives for you that your business. Personally I don't. He doesnt run my life really. But he provides some motivation and support/opposition to the ones in congress that do. and he represents america/americans to the rest of the world,,,and global relations,,, |
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Stand Your Ground
Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 03/23/12 01:25 PM
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Oh but we do.
This is following, which is not illegal.
We have all heard the 911 tapes and he did follow after being told not and that was before the shooting so he was hunting. It was obvious from a few words exchanged on the tapes. I know you heard the tapes right? Please explain to me where on the force Continuum following lays? Do you know what the force continuum is? Can you explain its applicability? since the boy did at some point beat him, it will be zimmermans word against a corpse about what 'started' the confrontation, and by stand your law, that might not matter either,,,, You keep parroting on about SYG, even after I have shown that based on the witness testimony it is not a factor in this case.
That we have a possible lack (I say possible becuase the police have no relased all the witness testimony yet) of evidence is not an argument against SYG. This is the logical inconsistency I am arguing against here. You know, Zimmerman has done a great disservice to the second amendment community, I wish this had never happened. I am all about non-confrontational tactics when dealing with these kinds of situations, HOWEVER I am all about logical thought, proper use of the law, and NOT violating a persons rights becuase we the community want "heads to roll" That leads to anarchy. the argument is not 'against' stand your ground, it is against how it is applied in this case, who had less of a right to stand their ground? if someone approaches you with a gun , or grabs you, or pushes you, asking you what you are doing there ,, in a SYG state,, do you have an obligation to retreat and avoid a conflict or do you have a right to stand your ground and fight? and if you die? what standard of evidence will prove you had that right and were therefore not engaged in a criminal assult that would justify deadly force,,,? probably the one who was left alive will get the pass , especially if they are left with the bruises because the corpse 'stood their ground' |
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Stand Your Ground
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He did hunt him down. Do you think following is the same as hunting someone down?
What is the difference between following and hunting someone down? These are exactly the kinds of questions that must be answered for you to reach these conclusions, and when a person does not do the work to answer these questions the conclusions they reach are flawed. Being a critical thinker this is the only reason I care about this case. The worst kind of thought is being used here, emotional rhetoric with 0 objective criteria. You are lying here. Sorry. You do care and you are defending a flimsy stupid gun stupid law because it has shown itself for the stupidity of what it is. OH He hunted after being told to stop following, with a gun, with intention, that is hunting. Sorry for the disappointment I know you feel over that. The law in question deals with how contact is initiated, and if a person breaks off contact, then the other party reengages. Please do read the original post for clarification. (not that we the public have any information regarding these details: which is the foundation of my argument, without these details you CANNOT know who was responsible for the escalation of the fight) Oh but we do. We have all heard the 911 tapes and he did follow after being told not to and that was before the shooting so he was hunting. It was obvious from a few words exchanged on the tapes. I know you heard the tapes right? everyone heard the tapes, however Zimmermans account is that AFTER he was told to stop, he merely was going back to his truck and , for some reason, the boy who had just RUN away from him, came back and JUMPED him thus, self defense and his state of mind will play no part necessarily if enough people believe that he was attacked by the boy,, or even that the boy was beating him (whether he was the initial attacker or not) since the boy did at some point beat him, it will be zimmermans word against a corpse about what 'started' the confrontation, and by stand your law, that might not matter either,,,, |
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