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Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 12:31 PM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
anyone can claim a delusion as existing so it is up to the claimaint to provide proof theirselves that it's not a delusion You are the claimant that God is a delusion. If it is "up to the claimant to provide proof...that it's not a delusion", then do so. If you provide evidence to the contrary, and I still hold the belief in the existence of God, then you may freely call me delusional. Until then, in accordance with your meaning of "delusion", we are both deluded. I believe in God without evidence, you don't believe in Him without evidence. sorry "perhaps" ..but there are those that claim there are aliens bigfoot the lochness monster the tooth fairy the bunyip the chupracrabra leperchauans and God ...so help us out and prove your own delusions and stop expecting others to do it for you We call that response, "Hochus Pochus, shift of focus". I'm done for now, got work to do. It's been a pleasure sharing ideas with you today my friend. I mean that sincerely with no sarcasm at all. It has been a pleasure. Catch up with you a bit later.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 12:20 PM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
anyone can claim a delusion as existing so it is up to the claimaint to provide proof theirselves that it's not a delusion You are the claimant that God is a delusion. If it is "up to the claimant to provide proof...that it's not a delusion", then do so. If you provide evidence to the contrary, and I still hold the belief in the existence of God, then you may freely call me delusional. Until then, in accordance with your meaning of "delusion", we are both deluded. I believe in God without evidence, you don't believe in Him without evidence.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 12:10 PM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
Ok, in fairness to you, I'll change my answer. You may have attempted to change the mind frame by your responses, however I do not see any evidence that you have succeeded. This can be seen by the history of this thread. ..the history in the thread is that I only respond to the christian posters as how they present theirselves to the post ..maybe you should be talking to them about their behavior unless that is normal christian behavior to attack someone that questions their belief...well that would explain those pesty holy wars and all that torture and murdering that went on I have addressed this issue with both parties to this discussion.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 11:50 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. well "perhaps"..since you are in the mood to expound then try expounding on answering the original question ... Ok. "according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator" No. The same "believers logic" does not apply to the creator. Believers of God who hold to the logic that God created the universe, hold also to the logic that God always existed. well that is believers belief not believer's logic ..with belief you need faith with logic it has to be rational..so reember the question is about logic not belief ...so keep that in mind and try again "Believers logic" is deduced by their faith. The question is answered. the originally question clearly states believer's logic not their faith ...faith requires no proof or logic that's why it's faith ..so try again If you can't rationalize that, then therein lies the problem. then you should be able to rationize those are the same qualification for delusion ...no proof no logic Close, but not a "Wee-Oh". From a psychological perspective, delusion is an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary. Do you have evidence that God does not exist or is this just your belief?

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 11:43 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. The idea is, it takes more balls to TAKE a hit without dishing one out in return. The topic is discussing ideas that people are afraid to answer. My question is, do you find any value in that quote? I found as much value as the person giving it Thank you. It would appear that the three of us agree on the principle. It's just a matter of consistently putting it into practice. people post a certain way when they are in a certain mentally or mind frame so after analyzing the post sometimes you have to respond in the mind frame they may be accustomed to or...you can be the bigger man and respond in a way that changes that mind frame. who's to say I didn't History. history also requires that you should explain your answer Ok, in fairness to you, I'll change my answer. You may have attempted to change the mind frame by your responses, however I do not see any evidence that you have succeeded. This can be seen by the history of this thread.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 11:37 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. well "perhaps"..since you are in the mood to expound then try expounding on answering the original question ... Ok. "according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator" No. The same "believers logic" does not apply to the creator. Believers of God who hold to the logic that God created the universe, hold also to the logic that God always existed. well that is believers belief not believer's logic ..with belief you need faith with logic it has to be rational..so reember the question is about logic not belief ...so keep that in mind and try again "Believers logic" is deduced by their faith. The question is answered. the originally question clearly states believer's logic not their faith ...faith requires no proof or logic that's why it's faith ..so try again If you can't rationalize that, then therein lies the problem.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 11:00 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. The idea is, it takes more balls to TAKE a hit without dishing one out in return. The topic is discussing ideas that people are afraid to answer. My question is, do you find any value in that quote? I found as much value as the person giving it Thank you. It would appear that the three of us agree on the principle. It's just a matter of consistently putting it into practice. people post a certain way when they are in a certain mentally or mind frame so after analyzing the post sometimes you have to respond in the mind frame they may be accustomed to or...you can be the bigger man and respond in a way that changes that mind frame. who's to say I didn't History.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 10:57 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. well "perhaps"..since you are in the mood to expound then try expounding on answering the original question ... Ok. "according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator" No. The same "believers logic" does not apply to the creator. Believers of God who hold to the logic that God created the universe, hold also to the logic that God always existed. well that is believers belief not believer's logic ..with belief you need faith with logic it has to be rational..so reember the question is about logic not belief ...so keep that in mind and try again "Believers logic" is deduced by their faith. The question is answered.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 10:35 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. The idea is, it takes more balls to TAKE a hit without dishing one out in return. The topic is discussing ideas that people are afraid to answer. My question is, do you find any value in that quote? I found as much value as the person giving it Thank you. It would appear that the three of us agree on the principle. It's just a matter of consistently putting it into practice. people post a certain way when they are in a certain mentally or mind frame so after analyzing the post sometimes you have to respond in the mind frame they may be accustomed to or...you can be the bigger man and respond in a way that changes that mind frame.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 10:28 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. well "perhaps"..since you are in the mood to expound then try expounding on answering the original question ... Ok. "according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator" No. The same "believers logic" does not apply to the creator. Believers of God who hold to the logic that God created the universe, hold also to the logic that God always existed.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 10:20 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. The idea is, it takes more balls to TAKE a hit without dishing one out in return. The topic is discussing ideas that people are afraid to answer. My question is, do you find any value in that quote? I found as much value as the person giving it Thank you. It would appear that the three of us agree on the principle. It's just a matter of consistently putting it into practice.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 09:43 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
Do you find anything of value in this quote? "Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too." ..er.."perhaps" ..perhaps you should stick to the topic...if you want to bible thump then e-mail feralcatlady I'm expounding on a thought or idea and exchanging it with you. The idea is, it takes more balls to TAKE a hit without dishing one out in return. The topic is discussing ideas that people are afraid to answer. My question is, do you find any value in that quote?

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 09:26 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I strongly suggest to all not to indulge his fantasy. He is doing this to irritate people. Only answers to the ones that get angry. Love is God, God is Love. He has faith therefore he has no love Stop all the conversation and he will go away. Last post for me yes "cuppy" as usual you believe christians can't think for theirselves and need someone to tell them all what to do like they are a group of "StepFord Wives"...if you lack the mentally to answer a simple question then you shouldn't press your failures upon others ... this is a forum where ideas are exchanges and issues are debated but if it hurts your mind to much to think for yourself then try expanding your mind pass a belief and not try to give a group of people orders May I suggest that the proper Christian response should be: Romans 14:1 AS for the man who is a weak believer, welcome him [into your fellowship], but not to criticize his opinions or pass judgment on his scruples or perplex him with discussions. May I also suggest that the proper "funches" response would be to refrain from personal insults? If we are here to exchange ideas and debate issues, why insult someone's integrity? my posts are like a good mystery movie that you have to watch again because the ending requires you to view the movie differently in other words "perhaps" ..my posts are in direct response how they were presented to me...if someone insults me I in turn insult them..if someone treats me with repect then I in turn treat them with respect ....in other words if you can't take it then don't give it ..I think the biblical terms is..an eye for an eye Do you find anything of value in this quote? "Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too."

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Wed 01/16/08 09:11 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I strongly suggest to all not to indulge his fantasy. He is doing this to irritate people. Only answers to the ones that get angry. Love is God, God is Love. He has faith therefore he has no love Stop all the conversation and he will go away. Last post for me yes "cuppy" as usual you believe christians can't think for theirselves and need someone to tell them all what to do like they are a group of "StepFord Wives"...if you lack the mentally to answer a simple question then you shouldn't press your failures upon others ... this is a forum where ideas are exchanges and issues are debated but if it hurts your mind to much to think for yourself then try expanding your mind pass a belief and not try to give a group of people orders May I suggest that the proper Christian response should be: Romans 14:1 AS for the man who is a weak believer, welcome him [into your fellowship], but not to criticize his opinions or pass judgment on his scruples or perplex him with discussions. May I also suggest that the proper "funches" response would be to refrain from personal insults? If we are here to exchange ideas and debate issues, why insult someone's integrity?

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Tue 01/15/08 06:34 PM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
I think this should be at the top of every religious thread Religion is like underwear? You have to find what fits you best & give the other person the freedom to wear a thong or granny panties if they want to. Umm, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable in either, but okay.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Tue 01/15/08 04:51 PM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
Whiteboy, Cheers my friend. Steve

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Tue 01/15/08 01:48 PM Topic: UNDERSTANDING WOMEN Edited by Perhaps on Tue 01/15/08 01:48 PM
I'm scared around women when they're standing on a chair in psychological mayhem, screaming, "Get it! Get it! Get it!" But the thing that scares me the most is if I miss the dang thing and it gets away. I KNOW that stupid spider is gonna suck my blood when I'm asleep!

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Tue 01/15/08 01:38 PM Topic: UNDERSTANDING WOMEN
Hmm, I think women are only afraid of spiders when a man is there. I've never been around a woman during a bikini wax so I just wonder if they would act any differently then.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Tue 01/15/08 01:27 PM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer Edited by Perhaps on Tue 01/15/08 01:29 PM
I did mean it.....because I think alot of people don't really understand what they are reading...so therefore they dispute it. So true. The pieces fit together as you study, read, and experience more. How many times have we gone back and read something again and gained a new insight? Pretty cool the way that works.

Perhaps Joined Thu 01/03/08 Posts: 146	Tue 01/15/08 11:12 AM Topic: questions that believers are afraid to answer
The biblical picture of God can be difficult to comprehend, I agree with you. I refrain from saying that I don't believe it all, instead, I simply don't understand it all. This is the best answer I have ever seen in a religion thread. OMGosh! I'm blushing. Did you mean to do that or what?

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