It is true they import a huge amount of things, but not true about the Spam..we like RICE CAKES!!!

Actually, Hawaii could provide for itself very nicely in many ways, not by export. Geographical location makes it an essential stop for many flights and ships coming across the Pacific.

And many of the imports do not come from the United States mainland, many are imported from the other countries that pass through.

Hawaii is also the most "wired" place for communications in the Pacific.

So there are many ways Hawaii can support itself. But Spam might be a good idea too..open a new Spam factory, would make a great tourist attraction...we hear Americans love Spam too!

No problem, why don't you go wait on the tracks while I find the presedence you so desperately seek. My point would be proven faster that way..only have to wait until the next train.

LOL..Oh! The profile! Yeh, its real, like so many others here. Like my pic too? Nice tan don't ya think???

And I don;t "claim American citizenship"..I got stuck with that title. It use to be a good thing.

And oh yeh, you are so free!!! You have so much!!! You can;t even own your own property in the USA!! don;t believe me? try not paying your property tax and see how fast you lose what you THINK you have!

And YOU sacrafice American lives for OIL!!! Someone elses profit and greed! What does that make you!!?? you are an American..you are suppose to have control over your own government..right???? So that means YOU are putting American lives at risk for OIL! Thats about as pathetic as it gets!

So keep singing your high school songs and thinking that you are free and own your own property and have some sort of control over your own future....and all the while the United States is in collapse. what once was a great country has now become a joke around the world. All thanks to the people who let it get that way! GREAT JOB!!!!

What!!?? Can I have some of what you are smoking or drinking...or are you the pill popper type..cause you must be high!!!

Blonde hair from what??? On the pink elephants you are seeing now??

Oh and no need to move to China...China is coming here...they already own a TON of the properties in the USA..or did you not hear about the housing collapse and the banks being bailed out by China??? OK, here's another pill. Remember, don't mess with a nation that's on medication!

Now can we get back to the topic..or would you rather go back to the corner and color now?

Oh, are you calling me names now??? I don't think JSH will alllow that. (note the sarcasm since you don't have a clue) I already know who and what you are and your claimed "educational background" and such.

And how in the world could you ask "Are you threatening me"? Without doubt one of the stupidest remarks yet. How can anyone with even half a brain think that someone telling them to go sit on the train tracks when a train is coming and find the "presedence" they so longingly search for to rule thier life and you think that this has the remote possiblity of some sort of personal threat!!??

Let me state this in plain, clear consice English that MAYBE you can understand. that comment was NOT any sort of "threat" by ANY means. It' was basically stating htis.. "IF you are that stupid (look up definition in Websters) to need something (prsedence) or someone to tell you to get off the train tracks when a train is coming, then please, feel free to sit there. And I'll even deliver the books while you search for your presedence that states whether or not a person should or should not get off the tracks when a train is coming.

Now is that easier for you to understand? It's kind of like 2+2=4 . It does not get any easier than that.

As for the rest, what you can't read?? Just look it up, there are references all over the place..including direct ones by others right here in the thread, like Fanta's post.

And if you need more proof of my point, all you have to do is go sit on some train tracks with a train coming. My point will be clearly evident shortly thereafter.

I do agree with you on your points and beliefs.

I want to clearly say your father was a good AMERICAN and I know he or any other service man or woman do NOT do thier duty for politicians...they do it for AMERICA and the PEOPLE. I honor and respect that FULLY!

And that was a time when it was about AMERICA. But those times have changed. the American people have let the government/bg business dictate thier every move now.

We are loosing American lives for OIL as we speak! And that tears me apart! A soldier should be able to die with HONOR and DIGNITY..NOT for other peoples PROFIT!

So I do understand what you speak of..those were times long ago, when I too use to be PROUD to be an American.

You put up some of the most pathetic arguements I have ever seen. You know nothing of the "legal system" (which by the way is so inept..so I see where you get your foundation..and is COMMON KNOWLEDGE to anyone with a half of a thinking brain.

So go put your hand into a fire..or better yet, go sit on train tracks where a train is coming at 100 mph. Sit there..look to see if there is precedence that shows you should get off the track. Hell, I'll stack all the law books you want right there on the tracks for you, so you'll have everything to look through! So you just search to your widdle hearts content..that is until the train splatters what little brains you have. I would LOVE to see that! At least then you will have made the world a better place in which to live!

So where's the precedence for that??? There is none! And since you need precedence to rule your life..go sit on the train tracks..you will be doing the world a favor! You may even set a new presedence!! "Don;t sit on train tracks when train is coming"..that way all your kind will know...you might help your own kind!!!

No, I must clarify I do not mean any harm in my statement..just simple fact. No, your congress men and women are also BOUGHT AND PAID FOR! basically ALL "career politicians are..just a FACT.

You being nieve is NOT a bad thing! I actually envy that! I WISH I could be! But when you know whats really going on, you can never go back to that and nieve is lost forever.

Thats why i di not wish to try to go into any details with your beliefs..I wanted them to stay just as they are. You are entitled to them. I did not argue or debate them. i just said thank you for giving those and that was it.

But when you made the claim that we (the people) actually elected this fools in Washington..well thats just not accurate. They are placed there mostly by the special interests. those very few that actually get there by a people vote, usually do not last long, unless they are willing to conform to "the system". I know this one from first hand expereince working closely with a Congressman who stepped down because he would not "play the game" and had threats even against his family.

So had to clear that portion up. But do not wish to debate your beliefs..they are yours and you are entitled to them.

Exactly!

All people have to do is a LITTLE MATH!! Last figure i heard, this was middle of April (no I am NOT picking on any specific candidate..I HATE them ALL..but this is a good illistration for anyone who wants to THINK and do a LITLLE MATH)

Obama had raised over $41 MILLION dollars in just the first part of April for his campaign to run. Now the totals are like $200 MILLION + for EACH candidates campaign thus far.

Now..$200 MILLION dollars + spent for a position that pays $250K ( ONE MILLION dollars) for 4 years (and great bennies,,but still)

THINK!!! DOES THIS ADD UP!!?? ANY BELLS GOING OFF!!??

Who is this world would spend $200 MILLION + dollars for a postiton that pays ONE MILLION!!!??

The answer.. NO ONE FOLKS!!! These are PUPPETS!! BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY BIG BUSINESS WHO RUNS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!

They are ALL BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!!!

It's a NO BRAINER!

Oh yes..and lets not forget about the government "hand outs" where people were buying big screen TV's and $1500 PURSES too. yeh..what a JOKE!

Must have went heavy on that Jim Beam!!

OK, hold on a sec. I'm not going to debate your beliefs..but you are a bit nieve when it comes to what is really going on in some aspects..especially the "election" parts. Those are documented, bought and paid for. Thats not to debate..thats just a fact that should be cleared up.

OK and thank you. I will not attempt to debate your beliefs. I am glad you have them and that hope.

You are absolutely right! Remember the phrase... "United we stand..divided we fall!" Our own government and the "power that be (the money that runs things) keeps our nation divided, has never truly attempted to fix our edcation system (because lower IQs ask less questions and are easier to lead) and what was once a great nation is about to fall.

And as you clearly said, and I and many other well knowns )like Glenn Beck) have directly said..the American people have done this to themselves (pointing out you saying Americans are apathetic..which is TOTALLY TRUE!)

My cousin put up a post in another thread about "self sufficientcy". he made a good illustration at the end of his last post.. I think was last post, may not be now.

But its was how a town came together and everyone worked together for a common cause and goal. And when everyone pitched in, a monumental task was reduces to an extremely simple solution.

I applaud your stand! Now bottle it, sell it and lets get the rest of America off thier asses so we can take our country back!

I'm not asking you to tell me what to believe in..I just honestly could use soemthing to grasp on here. Where's something to HOPE for here? What is GOOD in America now? What is something everyone can be proud of in America??? Just give me ONE!

And tell them to keep puckered cause they can kiss my dimpled butt TWICE!

And the ironic thing is..I would sit up on Capital Hill and protest and most people would look at me as if I was some kind of "extremist nut" when all I want is the power to go back to our people and for our country to be great again!

So call me what you want. I am an American and wish to hell i could be proud of that again like when I was young!

Not trying to debate at all. Simple a very serious question... what is there to be proud of in America now??? I had to think...and think...and I can;t come up with really anything these days.

Everything across the board is going to crap. education is now down to like 26th place, our economy is nearly bankrupt and China is holding a HUGE amount of United States property. They can't even secure our borders. Drug and alcoholism is through the roof. Our children are killing each other right in thier own schools! hardly anyone give a rats behind about anyone else and won;t do anything to put a stop to all the madness.

So again, and I ask honestly...give me something so I can have something I can say that I am proud of in America...because I could really use something!

Honestly.. I would LOVE to be PROUD of my counrty again...but I have to have something to be proud of and I am not finding anything.

(ps..I agree, no US help..just open trade is fine, just like we do with other countries. But America won't want to because all the tax dollars that Hawaii brings down is ENORMOUS. Not much fed money is put in Hawaii. It's a very "profitable" state for the government..thats why they took it.

LOL..is this a trick question??? Would you REALLY consider dating a guy that lives with HIS ex and had children together??

ROFLMAO..Oh now I see! You are talking "presidents"??? I forgot, you like a "political debate"..right??

OK, this should be fun.

Although I will not attempt to research from a "legal" standpoint, there will be a common sense role to play here.

Just as I was telling Fanta regarding the "illegal immigrants". They came and are here illegally correct? Therefore, by simple sense, they have committed a "crime". in a "legal" standpoint, they are in fact criminals because they have committed an "illegal act". Correct?? Of course.

Now the proper thing to do, is return them across the border from which they came. Correct?? Of course.

Now, same applies with the United States ILLEGAL annexation of Hawaii. The United States (like the illegal immigrants) committed an "illegal act", which must be corrected. just as we should send all illegal immigrants back across the borders in which they came, the Hawaiian islands should be returned to the native people for them to live how THEY wish.

Again, it is CLEAR, and even ADMITTED, the United States committed an ILLEGAL act.

So there does not need to be "presidents" for something that is COMMON SENSE! Thats like saying "what president do you have saying that if you stick your hand in a fire, you'll get burned". Do you REALLY need such explination??? Or would COMMON SENSE dictate.."you fool..you put your hand in the fire you;re gonna get burned!!!".


It's NOT a complex situation and in this case it's actually very easy, since even the United States admits to doing this ILLEGAL act. So no president needed by any means. Illegal act committed, illegal act admitted. CASE CLOSED!

Oh! A question from Mr. Brilliant..Mr Knoweverything???

And "North American"??? Oh yeh, real intelligent.