I would add that nice guys do not finish last.. we let the not so nice guys weed out all the "undesirables".. because they say that birds of a feather flock together.. We, as nice guys should appreciate finishing last because we get the biggest prize and do not have to go through many, many women that are less than perfect for us.

Curious...are you saying you would not date a woman who's been in an abusive relationship prior?

Not at all, I am saying that by not settling before it feels right, we bypass the drama..and the painful conclusion of a failed attempt to be with someone that we are not compatible with in the first place. Be it for looks, or for status, most men do not take the time to befriend a woman before offering himself.

I took your statement wrong...my apologies! I would certainly agree with you in that case.

This is what I mean.. this happened to me a couple of years ago and it might help you understand where I come from..

I was at Starbucks, standing in line, about to order the usual. I happened to glance to the right and see a younger woman, probably early twenties, leaning over a table grasping her boyfriend's hand tightly. She had tears in her eyes and she was obviously nervous. After ordering my coffee, not being able to take my eyes off of the two, I walked slowly past them. I could almost feel the emotion radiating from her overflowing heart. The gentleman sitting with her looked confused..It was then that I heard her say it.."Please do not be scared, but I need to tell you something. I have fallen in love with you"... As she struggled to finish that sentence, her voice began to crack as she struggled for breath.
As he sat there for a moment, dazed, and soaking in the true meaning of what she had just said.. he began to weap softly. The embrace that followed is one of storybook magnitude and lasted for what seemed like an eternity. As they were embracing tightly, as if this were the last time they would ever see each other, he whispered into her ear..I have always loved you baby.. and she burried her face in his chest and he looked over to me. I had felt the emotion of the moment almost as strongly as he, so I was obviously teary eyed. He smiled at me, I gave him a reassuring smile..and I finished my coffee with a warm heart and a new hope for this ugly world.

What a touching story daddydg.

What I mean is this, how often when we say "I love you" does it mean what those two felt?

I agree, they're the two most abused words in any language.

She has the book smarts, she needs to have the street smarts and KICK THAT GUY TO THE CURB!

(that was for the OP)

WOW on the starbucks story !!

I just reviewed your previous posings on this topic and I could not agree more. Where did you come from and why are they not making women like you anymore..

You ROCK... Mister!

I dont say it unless I mean it.
Even with my best friend I did not say it for a long time.
Words are very powerful they can give life or death to your spirit.

I have told people not to say what they dont mean.

Thank ya Lilith

Yall need to step into Pedro Omally's Beach Bar and Grill..my other forum and take your flip flops off for a bit..

Aww...what a nice thing to say! Careful, you'll spoil me.

You have no choice in the matter.. I can spoil you if I want to..

Cause she is in "love" and eventually she will come back to reality and get rid of him..

well hopefully but it takes time to see what others see you know?

i know this from experience i may only be 18 but i was with my ex for 2 in a half yrs.