Previous 1
Topic: Opinions and comments please
GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:41 AM
This is a real situation. A man works at Giants Stadium and The Arena for 15+ years. No bad marks on his record, has only missed working five(5) events in those years. It is a union shop and this guy has very high seniority.

One day during an event he uses an open elevator to go downstairs to a break. First time he ever used the thing. His bosses see him tell him he shouldn't use it and he apologizes. cas Closed? Not a chance.

Five days later he goes to the Stadium to work a three day event and he is denied access. He is told he is terminated and must file a grievance.
Heis advised a certified letter was sent to him five days ago. he goes to his PO Box picks up the letter and it is not a termination, it is a warning notice to do better next time.

Meanwhile he files a grievance and his bosses refuse to hear it but he has never been fired etc.
What do you think? Discrimination? Hostile Work Environment? Three warning Notices and several letters precede any termination under union contract.

What do you think this guy should do? I know it is a bum topic, but reality ain't cute.

hikerchick's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:46 AM

This is a real situation. A man works at Giants Stadium and The Arena for 15+ years. No bad marks on his record, has only missed working five(5) events in those years. It is a union shop and this guy has very high seniority.

One day during an event he uses an open elevator to go downstairs to a break. First time he ever used the thing. His bosses see him tell him he shouldn't use it and he apologizes. cas Closed? Not a chance.

Five days later he goes to the Stadium to work a three day event and he is denied access. He is told he is terminated and must file a grievance.
Heis advised a certified letter was sent to him five days ago. he goes to his PO Box picks up the letter and it is not a termination, it is a warning notice to do better next time.

Meanwhile he files a grievance and his bosses refuse to hear it but he has never been fired etc.
What do you think? Discrimination? Hostile Work Environment? Three warning Notices and several letters precede any termination under union contract.

What do you think this guy should do? I know it is a bum topic, but reality ain't cute.


What is he being terminated for?

franshade's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:48 AM
union shop - I'd speak to union rep.

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:48 AM
He hasn't been terminated. Just given a warning notice, but they locked him out of his job! He has seniority he should be working every event and they won't let him work.

rush2001's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:49 AM
huh That sucks. He should go see a lawyer. How old is he, maybe it is age discrimination?

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:49 AM
He did talk to union, met with them twice and they filed formal grievance but management is ignoring it!

Strange but true.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:51 AM
flowerforyou I believe itflowerforyou

hikerchick's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:51 AM
OK but I still don't understand on what basis they are doing this. What are they claiming that he did?

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:52 AM

huh That sucks. He should go see a lawyer. How old is he, maybe it is age discrimination?
Its that obvious huh? Amazing what you can get away with but pretending it didn't happen.sad

DestinysDream's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:52 AM
Well, if he is unionized that is where he should go now. They have dealt with these things all the time and he has paid dues so that they deal with labor relations on his behalf.

I may also re-evaluate the political party I was in. This business first junk has to stop. They took all the money and now we are bankrupt.

No1sLove's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:53 AM
I don't get it. Was there a memo banning use of that particular elevator? Was it a service only elevator? So far sounds wacked to me. I think he should seek an attorney and see if he can't clear up any misunderstanding through mediation to wipe his record of clean of notices. It does not sound as if it should have gone this far, but may need to go further to be cleared up. That's prob not real helpful. ohwell

Cutiepieforyou's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:53 AM

OK but I still don't understand on what basis they are doing this. What are they claiming that he did?
[/quote
]

I don't either.

franshade's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:54 AM
There are repercussions if management does not respond to formal grievances. The union is allowing this? wow

There has to be more than this, just my opinion.

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:54 AM
Hiker

He used an empty elevator to go downstairs to take his break. No guards, no one running the elevator, no signs saying restricted area do no enter or use elevator without permission.

It doesn't have to make sense, it is real, and real is scary.

no photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:57 AM

There are repercussions if management does not respond to formal grievances. The union is allowing this? wow

There has to be more than this, just my opinion.



I agree. It seems we are missing some important information.

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 09:58 AM


OK but I still don't understand on what basis they are doing this. What are they claiming that he did?
[/quote
]

I don't either.

I think they wanted someone out of the way so they could do other stuff they shouldn't be doing. None of it makes sense, and the union's reaction doesn't ring true either.

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 10:01 AM

I don't get it. Was there a memo banning use of that particular elevator? Was it a service only elevator? So far sounds wacked to me. I think he should seek an attorney and see if he can't clear up any misunderstanding through mediation to wipe his record of clean of notices. It does not sound as if it should have gone this far, but may need to go further to be cleared up. That's prob not real helpful. ohwell

I think you have got it. The last step is mediation with management's attorney. Very convenient don't you think. Where else could you be forced to negotiate for what you already have.

hikerchick's photo
Thu 05/08/08 10:01 AM

Hiker

He used an empty elevator to go downstairs to take his break. No guards, no one running the elevator, no signs saying restricted area do no enter or use elevator without permission.

It doesn't have to make sense, it is real, and real is scary.



so in other words, he didn't do anything wrong. Scary.

No1sLove's photo
Thu 05/08/08 10:02 AM

Hiker

He used an empty elevator to go downstairs to take his break. No guards, no one running the elevator, no signs saying restricted area do no enter or use elevator without permission.

It doesn't have to make sense, it is real, and real is scary.

I imagine this went against security and he will be evaluated for a while before they let this go. Bypassing security checks points is pretty bad these days. flowerforyou

GREATGUY's photo
Thu 05/08/08 10:26 AM


Hiker

He used an empty elevator to go downstairs to take his break. No guards, no one running the elevator, no signs saying restricted area do no enter or use elevator without permission.

It doesn't have to make sense, it is real, and real is scary.

I imagine this went against security and he will be evaluated for a while before they let this go. Bypassing security checks points is pretty bad these days. flowerforyou


That is an interesting twist, but security checkpoints must be manned by guards, have restricted access signs posted and all doors locked. When you go through an unlocked and unguarded door to an open and operating elecvator with no restricted access signs, you haven't done anything wrong. maybe someone else has done something wrong like not shutting off the eleavtor or locking an access door. Security at the stadium and arena is similar to miltary intelligence. Thanks

Previous 1