Topic: Ignorance is no excuse!
No1sLove's photo
Mon 07/21/08 11:43 AM


*raises hand*

Question Tanya...where does Guilt Racism fit in these categories? There are people whose race issues are built on the guilt for their own families participation in slavery. IMO, this takes on either defensive or overprotective rolls both. What do YOU think bout that?

BTW...thought provoking no matter ones personal opinion on the matter. :heart: flowerforyou :heart:


great question No1s (how ya feeling?)
Hey (((Fran))) flowers Doin pretty good...getting lots of endorphins these days! Tee hee! Talking to sweetie always makes me feel good. winking

How are you doing hon? Staying strong I hope! biggrin

franshade's photo
Mon 07/21/08 11:49 AM
Oh Tanya, while I respect this as your opinion I dont think it's truly correct:

I am color blind by choice

I chose not to care what happened to get you here
I chose to celebrate that you are here

I chose not to cry about what happened
I chose to celebrate that we have made it this far

I chose not to care about the color or anyone's skin
I'd rather celebrate that we are all here and able to make tomorrow a much better place.

No one has the power to make a person think less of their own experiences, they only thing that someone can do is express their opinions, how that is interpreted is another story in it's entirety.

No one has the ability or power to belittle you
only you. People only have the power we give them.

I have an easy outlook on life -- treat others how you want to be treated regardless :smile:

works 9 out of 10 times

that last person - usually gives in pitchfork after they know me :laughing:

franshade's photo
Mon 07/21/08 11:52 AM



*raises hand*

Question Tanya...where does Guilt Racism fit in these categories? There are people whose race issues are built on the guilt for their own families participation in slavery. IMO, this takes on either defensive or overprotective rolls both. What do YOU think bout that?

BTW...thought provoking no matter ones personal opinion on the matter. :heart: flowerforyou :heart:


great question No1s (how ya feeling?)
Hey (((Fran))) flowers Doin pretty good...getting lots of endorphins these days! Tee hee! Talking to sweetie always makes me feel good. winking

How are you doing hon? Staying strong I hope! biggrin


offtopic hiya sunshine, glad to hear tongue2 about your endorphins tongue2

Nothing gonna keep this woman down pitchfork unless I let it :laughing:

Hi to your other half flowerforyou

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 11:53 AM
well fran, I agree with you to a certain point, only in that I have a different perspective.

I think that where you come from that made you who you are, should be celebrated and embraced.

Love ya anyways! flowerforyou :heart: smooched :heart: flowerforyou

No1sLove's photo
Mon 07/21/08 11:53 AM

(((No1sLove)))) btw great question! [and its great practice for me as a future professor :tongue: ]


You will make a terrific professor Tanya! Awesome insight there...I see why you split this into paternalistic and color blind categories...as I was trying to fit the whole concept into post reflective like a circle in a square hole. Would need a lot of shaving to make it fit and I don't like to work so hard. :tongue: laugh

THIS is why you are the professor dear! :heart:

Nice topic...food for everyone. flowerforyou

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 11:56 AM
Edited by tanyaann on Mon 07/21/08 11:58 AM
(((fran)))) I think you also touched on a little of personal responsibility... I absolutely feel like each individual does have there own responsibities. And that the past should not be used as an excuse or escape goat for your own life now. However, culture, beliefs, experience are what we are made up of and should be recognized and celebrated!

franshade's photo
Mon 07/21/08 11:59 AM

well fran, I agree with you to a certain point, only in that I have a different perspective.

I think that where you come from that made you who you are, should be celebrated and embraced.

Love ya anyways! flowerforyou :heart: smooched :heart: flowerforyou


you are 10000% correct where we come from as a people should be celebrated, but by whom? I think it's the individual, not the world.

Hey you are going to be a terrific professor, practice with me, we both know I can be difficult at times :smile: but always honest

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:01 PM
Fran, I love that you are difficult... what fun would we be to each other if we both always agreed! :wink:

But promise me when we have breakfast in August, that we'll keep the topic light! rofl

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:02 PM


well fran, I agree with you to a certain point, only in that I have a different perspective.

I think that where you come from that made you who you are, should be celebrated and embraced.

Love ya anyways! flowerforyou :heart: smooched :heart: flowerforyou


you are 10000% correct where we come from as a people should be celebrated, but by whom? I think it's the individual, not the world.

Hey you are going to be a terrific professor, practice with me, we both know I can be difficult at times :smile: but always honest


when you acknowledge other's stories, background, culture, past... you don't fit into that color blind racism category anymore b/c you aren't stripping the person of what means them them!

Etrain's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:06 PM
hmmm...I'm gonna side with fran on this topicdrinker drinker drinker

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:07 PM

hmmm...I'm gonna side with fran on this topicdrinker drinker drinker


and like your opinion counts! :tongue:

j/k

franshade's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:08 PM



well fran, I agree with you to a certain point, only in that I have a different perspective.

I think that where you come from that made you who you are, should be celebrated and embraced.

Love ya anyways! flowerforyou :heart: smooched :heart: flowerforyou


you are 10000% correct where we come from as a people should be celebrated, but by whom? I think it's the individual, not the world.

Hey you are going to be a terrific professor, practice with me, we both know I can be difficult at times :smile: but always honest


when you acknowledge other's stories, background, culture, past... you don't fit into that color blind racism category anymore b/c you aren't stripping the person of what means them them!


doesnt matter what I think or dont think of anothers story/background Tanya. I only have the power to make you as uncomfortable as you allow, and vice versa.

I say kudos to the past, both positive and negative things have happened. I say hurray for today, giving us the chance to do better, and a wishful thinking that tomorrow we will see past all the obstacles and enjoy life and it's glory.

Just my opinion --- you are an amazing woman!

franshade's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:10 PM

Fran, I love that you are difficult... what fun would we be to each other if we both always agreed! :wink:

But promise me when we have breakfast in August, that we'll keep the topic light! rofl


hey may not even talk to you, may just spend my time playing w/your little one :laughing:

On a serious note, I love these types of question and answer because even if we dont agree; we are having a respectful and insightful conversation.

flowerforyou

franshade's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:11 PM


hmmm...I'm gonna side with fran on this topicdrinker drinker drinker


and like your opinion counts! :tongue:

j/k


yayyyy me - yes his opinion counts Tanya tongue2 smile2

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:11 PM
flowerforyou The feeling is mutal towards you, fran you ROCK! bigsmile

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:12 PM



hmmm...I'm gonna side with fran on this topicdrinker drinker drinker


and like your opinion counts! :tongue:

j/k


yayyyy me - yes his opinion counts Tanya tongue2 smile2


oh, he knows that I listen and hear what he says! we have had somewhat serious talks about stuff.

longhairbiker's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:16 PM
Edited by longhairbiker on Mon 07/21/08 12:18 PM
I'm pretty fly for a white guy. Dances like one too.

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:17 PM

I'm pretty fly for a white guy.


rofl hey! glad you chimed in! rofl

beachbum069's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:18 PM
White men can't jump. Remember that.flowerforyou

tanyaann's photo
Mon 07/21/08 12:21 PM
fran, you know if I moved down to florida, we will have to have breakfast or dinner together at least once a month!