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Topic: RACISM ----- WHAT'S YOUR VIEW?
EMIT's photo
Wed 09/03/08 07:40 PM
PART 1:.......................
BLACK PEOPLE


Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. People with racist beliefs might hate certain groups of people according to their racial groups. In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, even though anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination.

1954

May 17 - The U.S. Supreme Court overturns the doctrine of “separate but equal” in Brown v. Board of Education, ruling that segregation in public schools is impermissible. Thurgood Marshall served as attorney for the NAACP.

1955

August 28 - Fourteen-year-old Emmett Till was taken at gun point from his uncle's home located on the outskirts of Money, Mississippi. Three days later, the mutilated body of Emmett Till was discovered in the Tallahatchie River. Its was weighted down by a seventy-five pound cotton gin fan that was tied around Till's neck with barbed wire.

September - Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam were tried, and found not guilty for the murder of Emmett Till.

December 1 - Rosa Parks is arrested after she refused to give up her seat to a white passenger on the city bus. The Montgomery Improvement Association, led by Martin Luther King Jr. organizes the Montgomery bus boycott, which lasts for over a year.

1956

December 21 - After the U.S. Supreme Court affirms the District Court’s decision that segregation on buses is unconstitutional, the Montgomery buses are desegregated.






markc48's photo
Wed 09/03/08 07:45 PM
Unfortunately It's still alive. and it is working both ways.think

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 09/03/08 07:54 PM
I don't see color.....I see human beings...

EMIT's photo
Wed 09/03/08 07:54 PM
PART 2:...............................
WHITE PEOPLE

White supremacy is an ideology based on the assertion that white people are superior to other racial groups. The term is sometimes used specifically to describe a political ideology that advocates social and political dominance for whites. White supremacy, as with racial supremacism in general, is rooted in ethnocentrism and a desire for hegemony.


For white civil rights activists in the 1960s, equal pay was the basic marker of acceptance and social inclusion in Australian society. Shirley Andrews, who helped establish the Equal Wages for Aborigines committee, pointed out that people who were paid such a small proportion of the basic wage were not able to live like white people, as required under the assimilation policy.

Aboriginal workers had concerns other than wages. For example the Gurindji pastoral workers were unhappy about their appalling living conditions: a diet of salt beef, damper, sugar and tea, and white stockmen coming back into camp when the Aboriginal stockmen were still out with the cattle, and taking advantage of Aboriginal women.

In 1968 the Conciliation and Arbitration Commission ruling on equal wages in the cattle industry came into force. When the case was being heard in 1966 the Commission accepted the employers' evidence that 'many of them expect[ed] to change over to white labour if Aborigines are to be paid at award rates'. This did happen and many Aboriginal stockmen faced unemployment for the first time.

The achievement of equal wages in the pastoral industry thus turned out, for many, to be a hollow victory. Families and whole communities were turned off properties where they had worked for generations. People drifted into towns and were given 'sit down' money (unemployment benefits). They were no longer able to fulfil obligations to their country.

The Gurindji people at Wave Hill, however, walked off the job, camped at Wattie Creek and refused to move. The Wave Hill walk off section of this website is the continuation of the story of the Gurindji people and their struggle for justice and their land.


In 1964 the North Australian Workers Union presented a case for equal wages for Aboriginal pastoral workers. The cattle industry, the largest employer of Aboriginal labour, was not legally required to pay Northern Territory Aboriginal drovers more than £3.3.3 per week. White drovers got five times this amount. The North Australian Workers Union case before the Conciliation and Arbitration Commission would, if successful, end this discrimination.

Two years earlier the Electoral Act had extended voting rights to Aboriginal people, but industrially they were still outside the award structure which guaranteed fair wages to workers. The Australian industrial system, built up over more than half a century, also laid down working conditions, annual and sick leave and workers' compensation. Aboriginal workers, however, were specifically excluded from awards in jobs where they were most represented, such as in the pastoral industry.

Shirley Andrews and Barry Christophers, who formed the Equal Wages for Aborigines Committee, pointed out that notions of equality were hollow unless they were reflected in the pay packet. In 1963 they began campaigning for wage equality for Aboriginal workers.

At a public lecture in Melbourne in January 1965, Andrews remembered her sense of outrage when she heard of cases of labour exploitation:

Two very fine young Aboriginal stockmen were present at a conference I attended in Cairns in December, 1962. These young men were both about 25 years of age and had worked on a cattle station out from Coen in Northern Queensland since they were ten years old. They were now skilled stockmen and should have had a considerable amount of money in their trust funds. The only cash money they had ever received consisted of five pounds at Christmas and five pounds for the big local race meeting. [1]


NOW IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH SHADE THAT YOU HAVE, WE ARE ALL HUMANS, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENCES.
WE ALL HAVE DISADVANTAGES AND WE ALL HOPE TO BE INDEPENDENT, NUT ARE WE REALLY?

AS A DARK SHADED PERSON, HOW MANY PERSON WILL ACCEPT MY FRIENDSHIP?
OR AS A LIGHT SHADED PERSON, HOW MANY WILL ACCEPT YOUR FRIENDSHIP?
LOOK INTO IT, ARE DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER?

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Wed 09/03/08 07:56 PM
stupidty kept alive by angry unforgiven people.

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Wed 09/03/08 08:00 PM
there are ignorant people on all sides of the color spectrum...unfortunately it reflects badly on their race ...why is that ..we could sit here for days and point out case after case of white on black or black on white and unfortunately it will not change the majority so its just best to work on ourselves the individual..so what would happen if obama makes it in office ...how would the black man be able to blame whitey for all his problems..a quandry i suppose...think

EMIT's photo
Wed 09/03/08 08:04 PM
Beijing has just ended, there were over 900,000 in attendace there.
What really strikes me is how dark and light shade people got toghter in unity to celebrate sports --- no one had time to see differences.

I believe that our human goverments has the ability to do way with this idiosity opinion color differences.

I am from jamaica, i realized that the Jamaicans, Americans and other country men were praying together just before competing in the semi final 100m.

Wether the prayer was from the heart or not, no one seem to care --- they were all mingling as ONE BODY!! for the sake of sports.

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Wed 09/03/08 08:04 PM
whitey? I prefer "Anglo-American" please

EMIT's photo
Wed 09/03/08 08:18 PM
Well, i am hoping that he will be the first dark shaded leader to manage America.

Yes he will have a massive impact on person of his shade rahter than the fact they he may posses the knowledge, skill, ability and/or experience to do the job of a leader.

U view him as an ordinary man who has potencials, i am hoping that he will be like President Abraham Lincoln who was cool and simple.
He stood by the mandate bof the country, served his time, and tried to assist the people in any way possible.

Obama has to understand that he is going for a basket with many holes, wether he gets it or not, the holes are always there waiting for someone to fill.

THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FILL OUT.


Lynann's photo
Wed 09/03/08 08:43 PM
You see racism in every culture and from people of every skin tone. No race owns racism.

I am old enough to remember seeing colored drinking fountains and grocery lines when I was a girl visiting Alabama. I remember, from a child's perspective (although I must say ours was an informed family that discussed current events even with the children) the turbulence of those years in the 60's when people of all colors sought to make changes. Some through understanding some with violence. I remember seeing men, women and children crying when Dr. King died.

Some may say we've come a long way as a country. I am not so sure we have. Yes, there is legislation that has tried to address past injustices but some of it has created new injustices.

Meanwhile, people of all colors who isolate themselves and make assumptions about others perpetuate racism just because the don't know about "those people"

I think at heart most people are much more alike than different. We are born, nurtured and many of us go on to repeat that cycle. Along the way we love our families, get mad,cherish our forefathers, act like idiots, plan for the future and share many other common experiences. I am not saying humans are all sweetness and light but we all really are in essence much more alike than most of us would like to admit.

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Wed 09/03/08 09:26 PM
Im curious. What was your REAL reason for posting this?

EMIT's photo
Wed 09/03/08 09:38 PM
I just wanted to get the views of other people on the matter of the posted topic.

It not for the purpose of preaching racism but to hear what people think about it on a whole.

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Wed 09/03/08 09:44 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 09/03/08 09:45 PM
ME, as soon as I saw this topic I was hoping for some racist folk to come on here and spout ignorance . . . it helps to know the idiots from the normal racially apathetic folk.

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Wed 09/03/08 09:45 PM
I personally think it's an excellent topic to debate/discuss...openly and maturely...for those that are inclined to do so.

Why?

Because it is something that is alive and kicking in our society today...always has been, always will be...regardless of how we try to shun away from it. The more we shun...the more it prevails. Ironic how that happens, eh?

I will idly sit back and watch the forthcoming posts before I reply...but, I will just simply state my first opinion:

Racism = FEAR based ignorance. :wink:

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Wed 09/03/08 09:46 PM
Edited by SilverJoy on Wed 09/03/08 09:47 PM
*giggles*

Whoopsie daisy...my first DOUBLE post...

Onto our regularly scheduled program, folks...

:tongue:

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Wed 09/03/08 09:50 PM
Edited by duckiegiggles on Wed 09/03/08 10:01 PM

has the ability to do way with this idiosity opinion color differences.



the goverment has no say in who we can and can not like

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Wed 09/03/08 09:52 PM

I just wanted to get the views of other people on the matter of the posted topic.

It not for the purpose of preaching racism but to hear what people think about it on a whole.


I see.

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Wed 09/03/08 09:55 PM

I personally think it's an excellent topic to debate/discuss...openly and maturely...for those that are inclined to do so.

Why?

Because it is something that is alive and kicking in our society today...always has been, always will be...regardless of how we try to shun away from it. The more we shun...the more it prevails. Ironic how that happens, eh?

I will idly sit back and watch the forthcoming posts before I reply...but, I will just simply state my first opinion:

Racism = FEAR based ignorance. :wink:


Im going to disagree with you here. I dont believe that racism=fear based ignorance. I think it's hatred pure and simple. It's inbred, it's environmental and it's a self defeating and horrific trait in anybody that harbors it. I think it's a weapon wielded that there is little to no defense for other than epiphany of a heart and mind.

duckiegiggles's photo
Wed 09/03/08 09:56 PM

ME, as soon as I saw this topic I was hoping for some racist folk to come on here and spout ignorance . . . it helps to know the idiots from the normal racially apathetic folk.


and this emit
is why you are only going to hear from the people who are against being racist

the minute someone says
"yeah i hate the white folks"
or
"yeah i hate the black folks"
they will be jumped on for thinking this way
and then it will get personal

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Wed 09/03/08 10:05 PM
EMIT....I am not sure if your intitial posts were intended to be conversation or simply a historical dissertation. I honestly didn't read the entire post as it was rather lengthy and filled with numbers and such which confuses a poor soul like myself. Now...had you begun with the simple question of "Does racism truely exist?" or "Has racial equality increased in American Culture then you might actually get a fairly intelligent conversation. Of couse it would also invite in the racist crowd but then again it isn't much of a debate if we all agree that racism = bad. So if you don't mind....just so I can get a read on where your head is at. Can you answer the two suggested questions above?

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