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Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:29 PM
The only Chiltons Book That I have is For my carlaugh drinker

tribo's photo
Sun 09/21/08 03:05 PM

The only Chiltons Book That I have is For my carlaugh drinker


yep,that's true - now, just like those, use "chilton" as the Manufacturer's guide on how to fix your spirituality - bigsmile laugh

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Sun 09/21/08 11:20 PM
Edited by SharpShooter10 on Sun 09/21/08 11:26 PM



We are told what a generation is in Ps 90. fits to a T..shalom...Miles


If your sayig that a "generation" is 70-80 yrs., i disagree, here's why to many times it talks of more than "one" generation being present at one time together - so if many generations mean each at 70-80 yrs it would mean that a generation is looked upon as less than that when it talks of more than one living/present generation. don't you think?
I think the Ones taken will be taken by the anti christ because he will come first, when christ returns we will be instantly transformed into spiritual bodies



Ps 90:1-91:1

Yahweh, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. 2 Before the mountains were brought forth,Or ever You had formed the earth and the world,Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are Elohim.
3 You turn man to destruction,And say,"Return, O children of men." 4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past,And like a watch in the night. 5 You carry them away like a flood;They are like a sleep.In the morning they are like grass which grows up: 6 In the morning it flourishes and grows up;In the evening it is cut down and withers.
7 For we have been consumed by Your anger,And by Your wrath we are terrified. 8 You have set our iniquities before You,Our secret sins in the light of Your countenance. 9 For all our days have passed away in Your wrath;We finish our years like a sigh. 10 The days of our lives are seventy years;And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;For it is soon cut off, and we fly away. 11 Who knows the power of Your anger?For as the fear of You, so is Your wrath. 12 So teach us to number our days,That we may gain a heart of wisdom.
13 Return, O Yahweh!How long?And have compassion on Your servants. 14 Oh, satisfy us early with Your mercy,That we may rejoice and be glad all our days! 15 Make us glad according to the days in which You have afflicted us,The years in which we have seen evil. 16 Let Your work appear to Your servants,And Your glory to their children. 17 And let the beauty of Yahweh our Elohim be upon us,And establish the work of our hands for us;Yes, establish the work of our hands.

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10 The days of our lives are seventy years;And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.


This is very tell telling of when Moses is speaking of. He speaks of at the end of this Generation we FLY AWAY.. This not the common Rapture therory although it does point to this.

1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Yahshua died and rose again, even so Yahweh will bring with Him those who sleep in Yahshua.

15 For this we say to you by the word of Yahweh, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of Yahweh will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For Yahweh Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of Elohim. And the dead in Messiah will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet Yahweh in the air. And thus we shall always be with Yahweh. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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Notice v 14 talks of those who sleep.. Death is said many times in the Ps. and elsewhere Yahshua even said Lazerus sleeps. Yet he had been dead 4 days surpassing the right of true death at the end of 3 days. Which the pharasees adhered to.

Then verse 17 speaks of his return with those who are alive are caught up.

This very well could be the reason for 2 different sets of believers. In Rev 14 and 15.

Because of satans powers after the 2 witnesses are killed. He goes after the REMNANT of the woman.

Not the woman it speaks the woman is taken away to a place prepared for her.

So anyway I am going to far and getting off topic.

Moses is speaking to this generation today from the start of the Prophecy of that Generation would not be more than 80 years. But he as Yahshua did is telling us to watch. Possibly the last ten years. Which would symbolize a great many things of Yahweh's Judgements. It just gets worse and worse.

I have my own Idea when this started and it is not the forming of Israel.But like i say my idea.

Shalom...Miles

PS.. This is no doubt speaking as I was rereading look at what he speaks of at the beginning. This whole Ps is for us today.
we won't fly away, I think the Rapture is a dangerous false teaching myself, I'm sure I'll hear from other christians on that statement but so be it. It is not in the bible and came into existence about 1830 from a mentally ill woman named Margaret McDonald in describing a vision she had.

don't know what happened, this darn site weirds out and messes things up at times, the statement way up top about the ones taken away should be right under thoe one above about we won't fly away,

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Mon 09/22/08 12:34 AM
RAPTURE OR CAUGHT UP..SAME DIFFERENCE!!!

1st THESSALONIANS 4 : 14 - 18

For if

WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS DIED AND

ROSE AGAIN,

EVEN SO THEM ALSO which sleep in

Jesus WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.

For this we say unto you by the

WORD OF THE LORD,

that we which are alive and remain

unto the coming of the Lord shall not

prevent them which are asleep.

For the LORD HIMSELF

shall

DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT,


with the VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL,

and with the TRUMP OF GOD:

and the

DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST:

THEN WE which are

ALIVE AND REMAIN

SHALL

BE

:heart: CAUGHT :heart:

:heart: UP :heart:

:heart: TOGETHER :heart:

:heart: WITH :heart:

:heart: THEM :heart:

:heart: IN :heart:

:heart: THE :heart:

:heart: CLOUDS :heart: ,

TO MEET THE LORD N THE AIR:

and so shall

:heart: WE :heart:

:heart: EVER :heart:

:heart: BE :heart:

:heart: WITH :heart:

:heart: THE :heart:

:heart: LORD. :heart:

Wherefore

COMFORT ONE ANOTHER with these Words.

:heart::heart::heart:


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Mon 09/22/08 07:45 AM
Rapture doctrine believers always refer to Thessalonians but that is not really what it is talking about.

The dead in Christ shall rise first

makes since because those that are dead now are not in a hole in the ground, once the flesh dies the spirit returns instantly to the one who created it. they naturally have risen first.

The ones taken as they say will be taken by the anti christ because he comes first and will decieve many into thinking he is Christ, that is how he will decieve them, no christian will worship the anti christ knowing he is Satan, he will fool them, come worship me and i'll fly you away to safety,

Gods elect will be here in the flesh to witness against the anti christ, it will not be them speaking but allowing the holy spirit to speak through them and they will convince many naysayers at that time.
when the 7th trump sounds, and Christ returns, we will all be instantly in spiritual bodies.

again the rapture doctrine is a false teaching, started in 1830 by a mentally ill woman name Margaret McDonald and overheard by a couple preachers who thought, wow, what a way to get some more folks in to our church.

If one wants to believe in the Rapture, that is certainly their right, but do not be decieved.

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Mon 09/22/08 10:16 AM
The first to present his case seems right, til another comes forward to question him. (#Pr 18:17)

this is the case with the rapture, it depends on who's teachings your under as to whether there will be one or not. Personally i believe as you Sharp, the is no evidence from scripture itself to suppert a rapture or the immenence for a rapture, those who believe so are false teachers, god is not the teacher of this - man is!!

Though i don't feel qualified to debate this myself, the book the days of vengence and others climb all over it, that with due study of what is written in the book make quick hogwash of such nonsense, and your right M. Macdonald was the ladies name i could not remember and "Darby" was one of the men you speak of. who's early dispensational teachings first started reflecting this rapture crp which miller took up eventually as well as scofield, moody, and other's.

As i have said in other post, in my opinion, all of that which the evangelicals see as future happened in AD 70 - even the last judgement, but i'm sure i will hear from my dear freind MS. on this - laugh

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Mon 09/22/08 11:34 AM
Tribo..

I think you have not taken your medicine yet today. Might help you get back to reality. Thier is no so called Rapture as it is defined and thier isnobody in heaven as the breathe that leaves the body goes back to where it came from. This is no thinking intity though. The Valley of the Bones in Ezekiel shows the rising of the dead. But bothy are within a instant so who is going to know the difference. So go sit down take your meds and everything will be ok Tribo.. Really it will be Shalom..Mileslaugh laugh glasses drinker drinker

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Mon 09/22/08 01:54 PM
No need for med's my friend, i agree there is NO RAPTURE!!

as i said, this is mans doing not the books doing. flowerforyou

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