Topic: Hipocracy from the right
t22learner's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:30 PM
Edited by t22learner on Sun 10/05/08 07:33 PM
Sarah Palin charges that Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

How come Bill Ayers is considered a terrorist for his actions to protest the Vietnam war, but G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North are considered "heroes" by the right?

Palin also says, "We see an America of exceptionalism."
How's that different than "elite?"

Winx's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:40 PM
"Sarah Palin charges that Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

That is so low.

wzrunner's photo
Sun 10/05/08 07:43 PM
This sounds similar to the charges that he is Muslim, which is incorrect. The right side will take any measure to gain thre win, even bastardy ones.

t22learner's photo
Mon 10/06/08 04:16 PM
No opinions from the "Obama is palling around with terrorists" crowd?

Interesting. I guess criminal acts are OK for your heroes.

Quikstepper's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:11 PM
Will he protect America ...or better...does he even know who the enemy is?????

It's not hypocrisy to question his integrity. He should have to answer for his affiliations if he wants to run for prez.

That's in spite of the libs hiding their heads in the sand when it comes to national security...which, BTW, is NOT their strength since they have neither the will or the guts to defend their nation.

t22learner's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:32 PM
Edited by t22learner on Mon 10/06/08 05:32 PM

That's in spite of the libs hiding their heads in the sand when it comes to national security...which, BTW, is NOT their strength since they have neither the will or the guts to defend their nation.

There are plenty of "LIBS" dying in the ****ing sands of Iraq and Afghanistan. Your sickening partisanship is blind to reality and has no bounds.

Quikstepper's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:41 PM
look who's talking...LOL

t22learner's photo
Mon 10/06/08 05:50 PM
Just yesterday I wrote my opinion that Barney Frank (D-MA) should resign. That's pure partisanship, right? Whatever. Hack.

wouldee's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:42 PM
Edited by wouldee on Mon 10/06/08 06:44 PM

Sarah Palin charges that Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

How come Bill Ayers is considered a terrorist for his actions to protest the Vietnam war, but G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North are considered "heroes" by the right?

Palin also says, "We see an America of exceptionalism."
How's that different than "elite?"



it is an answer to aliberal hack that got a lot of traction out of spewing that the republicans act like they are better than socialists and that America prides itself on being a better people.

The answer to that came as "exceptionalism" from the right as a counter-intuitive rebuttal.

The libs let go of their new and improved tag for the republican agenda, which was meant to transference elitism through projection onto the right and disguise the true tag given the left.

It seems that dysfunctional moral equivalence doesn't bait the right very well.

But there is more spin to come, no doubt.

This is better than General Hospital and Family Guy, for sure.

drinks

t22learner's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:45 PM


Sarah Palin charges that Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

How come Bill Ayers is considered a terrorist for his actions to protest the Vietnam war, but G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North are considered "heroes" by the right?

Palin also says, "We see an America of exceptionalism."
How's that different than "elite?"



it is an answer to aliberal hack that got a lot of traction out of spewing that the republicans act like they are better than socialists and that America prides itself on being a better people.

The answer to that came as "exceptionalism" from the right as a counter-intuitive rebuttal.

The libs let go of their new and improved tag for the republican agenda, which was meant to transference elitism through projection onto the right and disguise the true tag given the left.

It seems that dysfunctional moral equivalence doesn't bait the right very well.

But there is more spin to come, no doubt.

This is better than General Hospital and Family Guy, for sure.

drinks

Oh, I see. You mean it's bull****.

wouldee's photo
Mon 10/06/08 06:53 PM
Edited by wouldee on Mon 10/06/08 06:55 PM

Sarah Palin charges that Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

How come Bill Ayers is considered a terrorist for his actions to protest the Vietnam war, but G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North are considered "heroes" by the right?

Palin also says, "We see an America of exceptionalism."
How's that different than "elite?"



because ollie took it on the chin for Iran Contra and wore the spanking.

Ayers tried to bomb the capital building and had his heart set on bombing the Pentagon, and is unrepentent for that act of terrorism.

He has said within the last decade that he wished he'd done more.

That is screwy.

Ollie was a man under authority to his superiors and loves this country and was willing to put himself in great jeopardy due his potriotic fervor.

Ayers is still trying to destroy this country and recreate it in his own socialist image.
But for a man that whines about juveniles getting their troubled little hands on guns, more so than slapping them and seeing to it that these little south side murderers are tried like adults, as tough love setting an example for peers to rethink their youthful violent streak in Chicago, he would rather coddle them and prop up his lack of legitimacy with a Harvard law professor that taught only one class a year and call it community organization.

I fail to see any moral equivalence in the comparison.

But then, I am jaded and cynical and suspicious of enablers.

my bad.
slaphead


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Mon 10/06/08 07:17 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Mon 10/06/08 07:18 PM


Sarah Palin charges that Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

How come Bill Ayers is considered a terrorist for his actions to protest the Vietnam war, but G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North are considered "heroes" by the right?

Palin also says, "We see an America of exceptionalism."
How's that different than "elite?"



because ollie took it on the chin for Iran Contra and wore the spanking.

Ayers tried to bomb the capital building and had his heart set on bombing the Pentagon, and is unrepentent for that act of terrorism.

He has said within the last decade that he wished he'd done more.

That is screwy.

Ollie was a man under authority to his superiors and loves this country and was willing to put himself in great jeopardy due his potriotic fervor.

Ayers is still trying to destroy this country and recreate it in his own socialist image.
But for a man that whines about juveniles getting their troubled little hands on guns, more so than slapping them and seeing to it that these little south side murderers are tried like adults, as tough love setting an example for peers to rethink their youthful violent streak in Chicago, he would rather coddle them and prop up his lack of legitimacy with a Harvard law professor that taught only one class a year and call it community organization.

I fail to see any moral equivalence in the comparison.

But then, I am jaded and cynical and suspicious of enablers.

my bad.
slaphead




Ollie North sold arms to the Iranians, thus strengthening them.

How is that 'patriotic'? Arming our enemies?

He got these arms from the Nicaraguan Contras.

This scandal also involved bank fraud and cocaine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbt9PsaSUiI&feature=related

He wasn't a hero, he was a disgrace.

wouldee's photo
Mon 10/06/08 07:46 PM



Sarah Palin charges that Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

How come Bill Ayers is considered a terrorist for his actions to protest the Vietnam war, but G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North are considered "heroes" by the right?

Palin also says, "We see an America of exceptionalism."
How's that different than "elite?"



because ollie took it on the chin for Iran Contra and wore the spanking.

Ayers tried to bomb the capital building and had his heart set on bombing the Pentagon, and is unrepentent for that act of terrorism.

He has said within the last decade that he wished he'd done more.

That is screwy.

Ollie was a man under authority to his superiors and loves this country and was willing to put himself in great jeopardy due his potriotic fervor.

Ayers is still trying to destroy this country and recreate it in his own socialist image.
But for a man that whines about juveniles getting their troubled little hands on guns, more so than slapping them and seeing to it that these little south side murderers are tried like adults, as tough love setting an example for peers to rethink their youthful violent streak in Chicago, he would rather coddle them and prop up his lack of legitimacy with a Harvard law professor that taught only one class a year and call it community organization.

I fail to see any moral equivalence in the comparison.

But then, I am jaded and cynical and suspicious of enablers.

my bad.
slaphead




Ollie North sold arms to the Iranians, thus strengthening them.

How is that 'patriotic'? Arming our enemies?

He got these arms from the Nicaraguan Contras.

This scandal also involved bank fraud and cocaine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbt9PsaSUiI&feature=related

He wasn't a hero, he was a disgrace.



The Iran-Contra affair was a political scandal which was revealed in November 1986 as a result of earlier events during the Reagan administration. It began as an operation to increase U.S.-Iranian relations, wherein Israel would ship weapons to a moderate, politically influential group of Iranians opposed to the Ayatollah Khomeini; the U.S. would reimburse Israel for those weapons and receive payment from Israel. The moderate Iranians agreed to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by Hezbollah. The plan eventually deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages, without the direct authorization of President Ronald Reagan.[1][2]


In the end, fourteen administration officials were charged with crimes, and eleven convicted, including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger.[9] They were all pardoned in the final days of the George H. W. Bush presidency, who had been vice-president at the time.[10]

who, I am quick to point out was also the cief at the CIA years before. yup. scary sh!t.

But Ollie was not the one doing the bidding, he was just the patsy; a man under authority, like I said.

Hope that clears up that little disturbing bit of innuendo and misinformation.

I don't condone the rupublican led mess, and neither did Reagan. He appointed the 3 man Tower Commission to get to the bottom of the mess that it had become.




wouldee's photo
Mon 10/06/08 07:53 PM
Edited by wouldee on Mon 10/06/08 07:55 PM
As for the Contras, they were fighting xommunists and it is THEIR financing that was in part from drug lords, not akin to the communists either.

But that was not the role of the US, only the source of some funds that the rebels had for making the two pronged arms deal work.

The mess was an black op to circumvent a lack of direct funding to help Israel deal with Khomeini and to help the Nicaraguan rebels ddefeat the communists.

here...

The affair
The affair is composed of two matters: arms sales to Iran, and funding of Contra militants in Nicaragua. Direct funding of the Nicaraguan rebels had been made illegal through the Boland Amendment.[5] The affair emerged when a Lebanese newspaper reported that the U.S. sold arms to Iran through Israel in exchange for the release of hostages by Hezbollah.[11] Letters sent by Oliver North to John Poindexter support this.[12] The Israeli ambassador to the U.S. says that the reason weapons were eventually sold directly to Iran was to establish links with elements of the military in the country. The Contras did not receive all of their finances from arms sales, but also through drug trafficking.[13]

Ollie was in there as evidence of the trail of command, not as an architect of the scheme.

It is important to remember that israel conned the US in this fiasco. Let's not forget that.




This is completely different than Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground, huh?

or have we forgotten what this thread is about?


where were you when this all unfolded that you cannot remember it and require my civics lesson of doing your research for you, just to prove that I am not misrepresenting my take on the comparison?

hhhmmmmmm??????????


Here's some KOOL AID for you while you think about that.
drinks drinks drinks drinks



t22learner's photo
Tue 10/07/08 03:23 AM
Hey Woodley, speaking of kool-aid, aren't you guilty of slurping it from the cooler on the right?

t22learner's photo
Tue 10/07/08 03:26 AM

Just yesterday I wrote my opinion that Barney Frank (D-MA) should resign. That's pure partisanship, right? Whatever. Hack.

Of course the hack has no response to this... Nothing but defense of her righty heroes, Dubya, D!ck and Simple Sarah. Love is blindness.