Ill add my 2 cents..GWB out spent his ooponents by how much? Either canidate is gonna spend what they have..Are you blaming everyone showing their support for Obama or just that McCain didnt raise that much..Theres always two ways to look at things!!! ALOT of people feel GWB bought his way in!!!

As far as I've seen, we've made other countries hate us for fighting wars, not poverty. And I don't see why we can give $750 billion to fat cats on wall street one day, and the next somehow $850 billion for a world's worth of poverty is too much. Foreign aid is not the cause of our nations economic problems.

of course a lot of it has to do with the fact that Obama refused public financing (breaking a promise) while McCain didn't. So McCain is restricted to how much he can raise and Obama isn't (Bush did the same thing)

I know many think that Bush got in unfairly. Seems we should have been able to learn from that?

Figures that might surprise some ---copy---

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/the_joetheplumber_vote_is_bigg.html

October 22, 2008
The Joe-the-Plumber vote is bigger than you think
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But with his reply to Wurzelbacher, Obama made it clear to him and many others in his situation that they would face higher taxes not because of pressing budget needs, but simply to advance the redistributionist notion of "spread[ing] the wealth around." -------
Frum is certainly correct on his first point that the rich pay an overwhelming share of the tax burden. But the latter part of his argument contains a fallacy common in observing voters. That is, he assumes that all groups vote in proportion to their share or the U.S adult population, or even their eligibility to vote. The fact is that in elections with around 50 percent voter participation rates - and a 50 percent turnout would be high -- upper-income voters still have recently constituted almost 25 percent of the electorate. As liberal financial columnist Daniel Gross has written in Slate, "Because we're in an age of mass affluence, and because wealthier people tend to vote more frequently than poorer people do, the voting behavior of the rich can be almost as significant as the political donations they make."
-----But Joe the plumber just may have opened the pipes and spread the message to those who don't wish to see their newly acquired wealth go down the political drain.---end--
Joe the plumber is the average business owner, as a symbol of “average Joe” America. (At least that is the idea people are feeling.) But regardless, the idea of someone 'spreading their wealth around' just doesn't cut it!!BB

Yeah, it's a real shame to help poor people, the disabled and the elderly.

I agree, some things are not fair. Makes one shake their head.

But I just read, and posted in anther thread, from Obama's fathers quote: "You can never fulfill the demands of the poor." So his trickle up theory makes even less sense to me. BB

Did U see the McCain ad at the top of this page (when I just came here) lol about Joe the Plumber.

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http://lighthousepatriotjournal.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/senator-obama-taking-from-the-rich-to-give-to-the-poor/

Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the blue-collar worker asked.

After Obama responded that it would, Wurzelbacher continued: "I've worked hard . . . I work 10 to 12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American Dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama told him. "I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too.

Then, Obama explained his trickle-up theory of economics.

"My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Critics said Obama let the cat out of the bag.

"It's clear that his main goal is redistribution of wealth, not growth," said Andy Roth with the anti-tax group Club for Growth. "He's perfectly happy to destroy wealth as long as he can redistribute it."

Obama has been meticulous, Roth said, to conceal the "socialistic" nature of his tax plans. "But every once in a while, he lets it slip," he said.

Republican candidate John McCain yesterday charged that Obama's comment was telling.
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No, T, not all about that. There are many reasons why some have more than others. Not always fair to those who have given up peace, hours, risked alot, and st rived to get to their goals. While some others are just content to sleep late every day, not interested in bettering themselves and/or party all the time.

If you were the one who had to give up much of what you had sweat-ed for, to someone who didn't, how would you feel? Would you feel like getting out of bed some more (for the next FOUR years??)and risking everything to share and spread the wealth? Or maybe hey, close the business and go work for some-other bloke who lets U have more at his expense?? Lots of jobs gone, many out of work is what I see.
Pls ck out the above link to read more, BB

PS. Yes, most of us share when we can, quite a bit, just not wanting to be dictated to do so.

So everything that Obama's stepfather says is a statement of Obama's personal beliefs and policy?

Shake your head all you want, but I prefer action.

Not too much action we pray------

Police prepare for unrest

Alexander Bolton
The Hill
October 22, 2008

Police departments in cities across the country are beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing for possible civil unrest and riots after the historic presidential contest.

Public safety officials said in interviews with The Hill that the election, which will end with either the nation’s first black president or its first female vice president, demanded a stronger police presence.

Some worry that if Barack Obama loses and there is suspicion of foul play in the election, violence could ensue in cities with large black populations. Others based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots in urban areas (following professional sports events) and also on Internet rumors.

Democratic strategists and advocates for black voters say they understand officers wanting to keep the peace, but caution that excessive police presence could intimidate voters.

Sen. Obama (Ill.), the Democratic nominee for president, has seen his lead over rival Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) grow in recent weeks, prompting speculation that there could be a violent backlash if he loses unexpectedly.

Cities that have suffered unrest before, such as Detroit, Chicago, Oakland and Philadelphia, will have extra police deployed.

In Oakland, the police will deploy extra units trained in riot control, as well as extra traffic police, and even put SWAT teams on standby.

“Are we anticipating it will be a riot situation? No. But will we be prepared if it goes awry? Yes,” said Jeff Thomason, spokesman for the Oakland Police Department.

Mohamed Atta wasn't an illegal when he got his drivers license.

Not sure, just see they show his photo (guess 'cause it is well known).

Took it from

http://www.nationalrepublicantrust.com/licensefactsheet.html

facts on how O voted for same in Ill and now wants to do this dangerous thing nationwide, BB

interesting video but these articles are interesting also...

http://econ4obama.blogspot.com/2008/08/obamas-tax-plan-and-basic-honesty.html

and

http://econ4obama.blogspot.com/2008/08/marginal-rates-under-obamas-tax.html

and

http://stop-obama.info/stop_obama_006.htm

Obama '08.

Do you know a lot about McCain?

Their new acquired wealth down the drain!!! I sure most people would like to see their hard earn money going to something that actually addresses the problems than to give tax breaks to the wealthy and bailing them out in these tough times. Mcs new 300 billion proposal does just that!!! Why must we keep protecting the rich and screwing the poor..Health care is another prime example..The problem is the uninsured and the poor..That's why costs are rising..If you don't address this matter, they will continue to rise...

But W-H-Y?

Sorry, but poor people don't "sleep late" and "party all the time". There are millions of people in this country who work two jobs at minimum wage and barely get by, and some don't get by at all. They're working their asses off just the same as the rich people are, but getting far fewer returns. This country won't work unless you have people doing the jobs they do--working in warehouses, cleaning your offices, making your food, taking care of your children. You despise them and insist that they live in poverty, go without medical care, and barely survive while at the same time you utilize their services.

As per your second paragraph, I would feel great! I don't have much money right now, but once I get my degree and start making it, that's exactly what I'll be doing--giving what I don't need away. If everybody in this society would learn to take care of each other instead of being selfish, then we wouldn't need welfare or high taxes. But since that isn't going to happen, welfare it is.

He's smart and he's cool under pressure and his foreign policy won't resemble a drunken frat boy pounding his chest to enrich war profiteering corporations. On energy, he won't have a secret policy that has enriched Dubya's oil buddies beyond their wildest dreams.

Other than the BS fear tactics, why aren't you voting for him? Have you enjoyed the last 8 years?

I knew I was going to get into trouble for that one. No, gotta agree with you. Many do not, some do and many abuse the 'system' even as it stands today. No, I would not consider myself rich,( we built our home (took a yr, in 1976, my house is paid for, and we worked hard to get where we wanted to be/go) We both worked long hours, multiple jobs and worked our way up (while raising 2 sons). Took chances to open a business, were you work to get the job, work to get the job done, and then work to get paid. Putting everything on the line for that American dream. Over 20 yrs self employed.

And I sure don't hate anyone, especially as you detail, those that might make less than me. Despise not a person on this earth.

The one thing that I think makes a difference in a person, is not how much money that they make - it is how much money they spend.

The more a person makes, most of the time, the more a person spends. The needs will grow to take up most of the pay-check.

And, if a person doesn't know how to budget money (and that is the problem) they will always be needy. If they splurge and fail to plan ahead, then they will fail, period. If they try to keep up with the Jones, spend on luxuries they can not afford, party hardy instead of paying attention in school, or try to further themselves - have no goal, then (IMO) they become one of the less fortunate.

Hard workers (like you mentioned) are not slackers, and if they keep at it long enough (and not be spendy) they crawl out of the hole. But, I think the ones who do sleep in - take off work- or don't put the needed efforts in to get a job, the slackers, who are not hard working, are the ones that most of us have dis-respect for. Not hate, but I don't think they should be entitled to ride on the hard working gang's shirt-tails, for free, when it isn't them that are trying to better themselves.

No cable, (I don't - and just upgraded to dsl but not high speed :) and other things that can be cut out of a budget - keeps more in one's pocket. Many are not willing to keep their eye on any goal, and just live for the moment. They buy new cars all the time, gamble, drink, smoke, etc, etc.

And yes, when my late husband passed away 5 yrs ago, I was among the ones needing help (for a period of time). I turned to my church. We had always given tithe, and they helped me considerably when he became ill with cancer, and died. So welfare isn't the first place one can look. (If they have faithfully given and a member of a church family.)

It remains - the question - will you be willing to pull yourself up by the bootstraps, and sacrifice alot sometimes to reach a goal, IF you knew you were going to be helping - by way of dictation- those who were unwilling to help themselves?

I don't have all the answers, I just rely on research I have done, and gut feelings. This 'spread the wealth around' just isn't right. I don't care if I am not in the tax bracket that would affect me the most that way. MOST of the time those that are earning more, are paying the most taxes - guess you know that.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm

--copy--In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.
The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.

Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.
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http://minx.cc/?post=275500

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Obama: "Spread the Wealth Around"

"Economic justice," I think they call it in the radical consciousness-raising schools he funded.

How does he intend to spread the wealth? By increasing the size of federal programs?

Well, that's a start. But I'm afraid he's going to spread it around more directly -- by taking money away from people who pay taxes to directly give it to those who don't pay taxes in the form of a "tax cut."

A tax cut? For people who already don't pay taxes? That's not a tax cut, is it? That's more like a... well, a government handout. It's a welfare check.

Not so.

Obama prefers to call it "refundables." Even though you're not being "refunded" anything, you're just being sent a thousand or two dollars from someone else's tax payments.
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and it gets to a point enough already!
BB