Topic: On the lighter side
Redykeulous's photo
Fri 04/06/07 10:31 AM
Needed a break from too much heavy thinking. Been in a strange mood all
day, thinking weird thinks that make me smile so thought I'd share how
my misquided mind works on a bad day!

So how much are we REALLY like any other animal inhabitant of this
planet?
They just have to survive, in a natural environment that they are
equipped to deal with, they kill to eat, even growing things of this
earth are living organisms. So they eat, exercise, create excrement,
mate, have young (maybe raise them), they sleep and they die. Now
here we are:

We are physically so ill equipped to survive on this planet that if it
weren’t for our creative power of thought we would have been extinct
long ago.

We no longer provide food and shelter for ourselves, we “acquire it”.

We have the whole language barrier and culture thing goin’ on, do you
think a wolf from Canada would not “instinctually” fit in with a pack of
wolves anywhere in the world?

Then we have to deal with such things as Ghosts of dead humans. I mean
what do you tell an unwanted ghost houseguest?

But then there are Angels too, the other house guest, that we fear and
tremble in front of until we learn if it’s an Arch-angel or just a test
angel, or just a messenger angel. An angelic visit could be big.

If that’s not enough there's The ‘Holy Ghost’ that apparently has to be
invited in, but if you do and this spirit enters, it ENTER YOU, not the
room. Whoa! However, that has been determined, by those who have
experienced it, to be a good thing.

Of course it’s not a good thing to be possessed by demons – you know,
‘the devil made me do it’
‘he just gave in to his inner demons’
These are not good things and the mother of all possessions, to be taken
over and mentally and physically changed by the Devil itself.

We can even be born again or is it born before, well; it’s like having
multiple lives you know? Of course there seems no connection or reason,
as we cannot remember other lives, unless of course you are born again
in faith, but I thing that’s a Holy Ghost story.

Given all this, how much like other creatures of this planet are we?
Are we superior, or just more fearful? Are we fearful or paranoid? Are
we paranoid or do we just give in to our creativity? And if we are
superior in any way why can’t we figure out how to keep our bodies and
homes and minds from being invaded with the unearthly?

JUST A FEW LIGHT THOUGHTS FROM “THE OUTER LIMITS”


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Sat 04/07/07 12:01 PM
This is what you call 'LIGHTER' Redykeulous!!!

"...Given all this, how much like other creatures of this planet are we?
Are we superior, or just more fearful? Are we fearful or paranoid? Are
we paranoid or do we just give in to our creativity? And if we are
superior..."

We're in the religious chat forum, so I am about to do something
sacreligeous!

Here goes nothing:
The only track for these questions (i wouldn't go as far as suggesting
these are answers!) is 'zoology'. There is absolutely no evidence that
suggests anything special about humans.

We are incredibly similar to all other primates, from a biological as
well as neurological standpoint.

The only thing that would distinguish Humans from other primates, is not
a 'superior' factor, but simply a 'different' factor of adaptation of
the 'neocortex' of the human brain, to its particular environment.

Humans neocortex evolution accidentely developped a more sophisticated
'languaging' function from other primates, and the necessary logic, or
language discrimination that comes with it.

Different because that is a neocortex distinction of humans that is not
necessarily greater or more complex than, for example the evolution of
the mouse cortex, which it could be argued, in their adaptation to
their specific environment, might have better chances of 'survival'
than humans. And survival IS what it'S all about.

Our neocortex 'languaging-thought/discriminating' distinction is
different, but not superior. It is useful on the one hand (a
blessing): we have a communication range like no other primate. But the
range of this 'langung-thinking' function is so unmastered by humans,
that it is still, and shall remain for the foreseable future, out of
mastery (the curse).

We can't start to understand our own condition, and yet are equipped by
accident it would seem, with a system (languaging-thinking), that make
us aware of that shortcoming.

Our awareness of that shortcoming: trying to understand something that
isn't meant to be understood, is simultaneously our blessing, and
curse.

We, humans, have entirely made-up, over billions of years, this 'black
hole' of understanding. The neocortex's discriominating logic, which
helps us distinguish one word with another (the useful part), also
tries to 'make sense' out of everything else it is in contact with,
regardless of the fact that it doesn't require or demand it.

The neocortex 'wants to know everything' it could be said. And won't
rest until it does. It is pointless, but it still won't rest. It's is
equipped to deal with abstractions. Useful ones, as much as useless
ones.

We have never known where we come from, have never for known for sure
what sense there is to life, and it 'burns' our collective neocortex,
from one generation to the next (genetics).

It's working non-stop to fill our knopwledge 'blackhole': if we are
aware of something, the neocortex must understand it, even if it can't,
or the condition doesn't require it to be understood.

Non-stop 'meaning-making', or 'making-sense' machines: that is the
curse and blessing of humans. Aware, and yet, not in the know of their
own condition.

Other primates aren't aware, and therefore could be said to be blessed,
... not being cursed with having to know!!! They might have better
chances of survival, sticking the real issues, rather than imagined
ones like humans do.

That installs God in a whole other 'light': a sort
fear-anxiety-paranoia 'filler'.

... And that's MY kind of 'light'!!! ... for now.

Redykeulous's photo
Sun 04/08/07 11:06 AM
Oh you make it difficult to respond to so much at one time.
Zoology huh? I think you run a gambit of many areas in your reply.

Here is a "superior" thought. If you consider zoology, than what is the
nature of psycology? Does not zoology refer to understanding the nature
of the functions that cause animals to act, live as they do? While
psychology does the same thing for humans? What's the difference?

Next: Physiology - for you get into the area of those things that
science says has 'made us aware'.

And Biology, for is this entire cylce not related to eveolution on a
scientific level?

Theology or Philosophy - for you give a reply attempting to explain the
nature of that "black hole" in which all questions reside.

NOW THE BIG QUESTION in my post 'On the lighter side', was focused in
some amusing thoughts that question the religious nature of man, hence I
posted under Religion.

That question, if any missed it, was based on one's religion, most
specificaly the Chrisian religion. If we are so special, if we are
'chosen', if we are given truths through the Bible,
then what is the need for ghosts of any kind Holy or other?
And how is it that this being we call human, that was created perfect
and in the image of God, that we can be so easily be inhabited, taken
over, posessed by anything, Holy or other? That this posession would
change us in any way? Were we not already perfect, made in the image of
God? My questions also adress the free will aspect, for if we have free
will, would we not be able to deny being inhabited or haunted or
otherwise taken over by anything? What else could be out there, what
else not of this world, this univers, not of our dimention could also be
so easily gaining access inside of us, changing us, evolving us?
Brings to mind some old Sci Fi movies of Aliens taking us over, doesn't
it?

Do you - does anyone think this is a topic for another line of
discussion?

jeanc200358's photo
Sun 04/08/07 02:43 PM
If you blew up our entire modern existence, I believe most of us could
adapt just fine. Others would freak. Survival of the fittest, I guess.

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Tue 04/10/07 09:11 AM
Hello 'jeanc200358' !

Good to see you're a 'multi-post' kind of person!


On your...
"... If you blew up our entire modern existence, I believe most of us
could adapt just fine. Others would freak. Survival of the fittest, I
guess."

Just for fun, could you expand:
How would our modern existence blow-up? (climatic changes, religious
wars, nuclear disaster?
and,
WHO'S WHO ??? Which group or groups, in your opinion would adapt/freak?

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 04/10/07 04:18 PM
this could be interesting. Let's keep goin with this thought. Be back
later, have to give a pool lession.