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Topic: BUSH bunglings...
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Wed 11/12/08 03:00 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Wed 11/12/08 03:02 PM
GEEZ! He has to do a dumb thing like trying to make deals with OBAMA on this dumber stimulus package. He makes me cringe sometimes!!!! I don't think he will go down as the worst prez tho...history will reveal his courage in keeping us safe...even the libs! Not so fast...DEMS have alot to prove to the American people. I wouldn't be so proud if I were them. Not just yet. It's time the voters not let either party take their vote for granted. Produce or buh'bye~~~


Bush set for final battle on two fronts
By Andrew Ward in Washington

Published: November 12 2008 20:33 | Last updated: November 12 2008 20:33

George W. Bush is already looking forward to retirement in Texas when he leaves office. “No doubt I’m heading straight home,” he told CNN this week. “I’ll probably get back and take a deep breath.”

However, until he hands over the White House keys to Barack Obama on January 20, Mr Bush remains the boss. That will be evident this weekend when the president hosts a summit of the 20 leading economies in Washington, while Mr Obama lies low in Chicago.

Mr Bush hopes the event will partially recast him as a statesman presiding over an international response to the financial crisis, as opposed to the president who was asleep on the watch as Wall Street imploded.

In reality, his main objective at the summit looks likely to be holding the line against European efforts to tame US-style “jungle capitalism” with tougher international regulations.

Another Alamo-like showdown is looming for Mr Bush on the domestic front, as the Democratic-controlled Congress pushes for a fresh economic stimulus and more government support for the ailing car industry.

The White House has voiced scepticism about both proposals, putting Mr Bush on a collision course with the president-elect, who supports them.

Mr Bush has made his own demands for the so-called lame-duck legislative session that starts next week, calling for Democrats to drop their opposition to the pending US free trade deal with Colombia.

It was reported that, in his private meeting with Mr Obama this week, Mr Bush proposed passage of the Colombia deal as a quid pro quo for him backing the stimulus measures and relief for the car industry.

Both sides insisted that no negotiations had taken place. Democrats, emboldened by a landslide election victory, are in no mood to bargain with a lame-duck president.


In the absence of a compromise involving the trade deal, it looks likely that Mr Bush will either have to cave in to Democratic demands or veto them.

Neither is an attractive option. Further costly stimulus measures and support for the car industry would infuriate conservatives already seething about the $700bn financial sector bail-out. But a veto would leave Mr Bush open to accusations of obstructing Democratic efforts to revive the economy and save carmakers from bankruptcy.

Mr Obama has said that he would approve the measures immediately after he takes office if they do not get done beforehand. The decision for Mr Bush, therefore, is whether to delay the inevitable as a matter of principle.

The dispute threatens to strain relations between the Bush administration and Mr Obama’s transition team, despite the president’s promise of a smooth handover.

White House officials say the president stopped worrying about his approval rating long ago and is now focused solely on what is best for the country.

But even Mr Bush must have winced at fresh opinion polls this week showing that 76 per cent of people disapprove of how he is handling his job – making him the most unpopular president since approval ratings were first measured more than six decades ago.

By comparison, Richard Nixon had a 66 per cent disapproval rating when he resigned as president during the Watergate scandal.

One person who recently had dinner with Mr Bush said the president blames his unpopularity, in part, on “nativist” elements within the Republican party that have alienated moderate and Hispanic voters.

Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian at Rice University, says that is a hollow complaint considering the president’s focus on pleasing the conservative base over the past eight years.

With no political future ahead of him, all that Mr Bush has to worry about is his legacy, and Mr Brinkley says it is not looking good.

“President Bush is going to be remembered as a failed president,” he says. “People look at what happened on your watch: 9/11 at the beginning, the economy collapsed at the end and not a lot of good in between.”

A former Bush administration official argues that Mr Bush’s low approval rating is part of his legacy. “A president’s legacy is not just judged by historians,” he says. “It’s judged by voters – and on that score, Bush suffers. He leaves his party and his ideology at its weakest position in 44 years.”

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Wed 11/12/08 03:11 PM
ummm ha ha ha

So, your political god's failings are starting to be evident?

So much so that now at the last of these eight years Obama is to blame?

Honestly, Obama will make enough mistakes of his own I am sure.


Please man up and accept how much Bush II pooched it.

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Wed 11/12/08 03:29 PM
I never said I agreed with everything he did. I am saying that in some things he missed the mark but he did other things right. He's not this bafoon people call him.

History will be kind to him... depending on our future. I'm betting that if we get attacked again people will be flocking to the REPS.

I think history shows that.

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Wed 11/12/08 03:36 PM
He kept us safe... from who? Those who attacked on 9/11? Pardon me, but I thought that was Osama Bin Laden (allegedly anyway), who was last heard of in Afghanistan... so where, exactly, does Iraq come into play there?

I know, I know... the whole argument about insurgents and Saddam and terrorists and etc... blah blah blah. The fact remains that we hardly hear about the "mastermind" at all anymore, and as far as we know he's still at large. Meanwhile, pretty damned far away from him, we have waged a war on a place that has not shown us ANY WMDs at all which, if I remember correctly, was the whole reason why we went there (*coughOILcough*) in the first place so...

What/whom did he keep us safe from, again?

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Wed 11/12/08 04:08 PM

I never said I agreed with everything he did. I am saying that in some things he missed the mark but he did other things right. He's not this bafoon people call him.

History will be kind to him... depending on our future. I'm betting that if we get attacked again people will be flocking to the REPS.

I think history shows that.
to think history will be kind to bush is delusional thinking. The man single handidly bankrupted our country and started two wars that are un winable. and the alleged mastermind of 911 still runs free. He lost his party's majority in a landslide by his complete failures. History will never vindicate this criminal.

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Wed 11/12/08 04:11 PM
You forgot to mention that he did such a bad job that the Republican party chose their very most liberal member to run for president after him. That says a WHOLE hell of a lot all by itself, IMHO.

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Wed 11/12/08 04:19 PM
Bungling is something that was done by President Ford or Carter, complete and total disaster is what better defines Bush.

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Wed 11/12/08 04:46 PM

I never said I agreed with everything he did. I am saying that in some things he missed the mark but he did other things right. He's not this bafoon people call him.

History will be kind to him... depending on our future. I'm betting that if we get attacked again people will be flocking to the REPS.

I think history shows that.


hes far from a bafoon...hes a war criminal, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and deserves to be tried and executed..

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Wed 11/12/08 05:00 PM


I never said I agreed with everything he did. I am saying that in some things he missed the mark but he did other things right. He's not this bafoon people call him.

History will be kind to him... depending on our future. I'm betting that if we get attacked again people will be flocking to the REPS.

I think history shows that.


hes far from a bafoon...hes a war criminal, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and deserves to be tried and executed..
a fair trial I am sure would find him guilty.

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:08 PM

You forgot to mention that he did such a bad job that the Republican party chose their very most liberal member to run for president after him. That says a WHOLE hell of a lot all by itself, IMHO.



Uh...the Palin choice energized the party. I know...I was one of them. In fact I kept telling them not to call me.

Enter the BOMB...SARAH PALIN...it just goes to show there's still life left in the GOP.

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Wed 11/12/08 06:09 PM


I never said I agreed with everything he did. I am saying that in some things he missed the mark but he did other things right. He's not this bafoon people call him.

History will be kind to him... depending on our future. I'm betting that if we get attacked again people will be flocking to the REPS.

I think history shows that.


hes far from a bafoon...hes a war criminal, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and deserves to be tried and executed..




This is EXACTLY the kind of loonie talk I love to hear. Keep that up and the DEMS will be OUT in two years! laugh drinker laugh drinker

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Thu 11/13/08 04:53 AM
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You forgot to mention that he did such a bad job that the Republican party chose their very most liberal member to run for president after him. That says a WHOLE hell of a lot all by itself, IMHO.



Uh...the Palin choice energized the party. I know...I was one of them. In fact I kept telling them not to call me.

Enter the BOMB...SARAH PALIN...it just goes to show there's still life left in the GOP.
thats exactly the kind of loony talk I love to hear, I hope that wasila hillbilly runs againrofl rofl laugh

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Thu 11/13/08 09:11 AM
I was talking about McCain... slaphead

I won't go into WHY Bush should be tried and executed -- it's all been said before and those who can't see FACTS will never see it no matter what we say -- but I will say I ENTIRELY agree. :thumbsup:

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Thu 11/13/08 09:40 AM
This war should have never happened.

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Thu 11/13/08 09:50 AM


You forgot to mention that he did such a bad job that the Republican party chose their very most liberal member to run for president after him. That says a WHOLE hell of a lot all by itself, IMHO.



Uh...the Palin choice energized the party. I know...I was one of them. In fact I kept telling them not to call me.

Enter the BOMB...SARAH PALIN...it just goes to show there's still life left in the GOP.
Sara? There are so many woman out there to chose from. Chosing a woman energized your party as it should. I just think there are many far better and I can not wait for the day when they step forward. Us men have screw things up for along time.Its time for a women..Lets just pick the BEST of the BEST. We deserve nothing less..

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Sun 11/16/08 02:56 PM

I never said I agreed with everything he did. I am saying that in some things he missed the mark but he did other things right. He's not this bafoon people call him.

History will be kind to him... depending on our future. I'm betting that if we get attacked again people will be flocking to the REPS.

I think history shows that.



Hmmm.... there's something to look forward to! Keep a good thought, Quickie...

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Sun 11/16/08 03:01 PM

This war should have never happened.


Unfortunately it did, and that's the reality. Never going to move forward if we keep going backwards.

Thomas27's photo
Sun 11/16/08 03:05 PM
I'd say, that usually negative is seen in foresight. Over time, I believe that some good will be seen from the Bush Administration in Hindsight. It is always usually 20/20.

Winx's photo
Sun 11/16/08 04:00 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 11/16/08 04:05 PM


This war should have never happened.


Unfortunately it did, and that's the reality. Never going to move forward if we keep going backwards.


From what I heard today on the radio, we'll be out of there in 2011. They are voting on it in Iraq.


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Sun 11/16/08 04:04 PM



This war should have never happened.


Unfortunately it did, and that's the reality. Never going to move forward if we keep going backwards.


From what I heard today on the radio, we'll be out there in 2011. They are voting on it in Iraq.


Yes I heard. Hopefully it will be progress in the right direction.

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