we are only beginning to feel the effects of this. it will be far worse than the depression i fear, too much money has gone out, and is still going out, with no end in sight, and not near enough returning. i give it a max of six months, before the economy totally crashes......are you ready?

I agree with you but it could be a blessing in disguise...that is if we can get these lard arse DEMS to do what needs to be done instead of dwelling on things like natl. healthcare, the fairness doctrine, gay fascism & stalling on alternative energy. Two years folks.

Conservatives Lost More Than an Election


By Chuck Baldwin

That Barack Obama trounced John McCain last Tuesday should have surprised no one. In fact, in this column, weeks ago, I stated emphatically that John McCain could no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton. He didn’t. (Hence a vote for John McCain was a “wasted” vote, was it not?) I also predicted that Obama would win with an electoral landslide. He did. The real story, however, is not how Barack Obama defeated John McCain. The real story is how John McCain defeated America’s conservatives.

For all intents and purposes, conservatism–as a national movement–is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Soon after G.W. Bush was elected, it quickly became obvious he was no conservative. On the contrary, George Bush has forever established himself as a Big-Government, warmongering, internationalist neocon. Making matters worse was the way Bush presented himself as a conservative Christian. In fact, Bush’s portrayal of himself as a conservative Christian paved the way for the betrayal and ultimate destruction of conservatism (something I also predicted years ago). And the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

For example, Bush and his fellow neocons like to categorize and promote themselves as being “pro-life,” but they have no hesitation or reservation about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in reckless and unconstitutional foreign wars. By the same token, how many unborn babies were saved by six years of all three branches of the federal government being under the control of these “pro-life” neocons? Not one! Ask the more than eight million unborn babies who were killed in their mothers’ wombs during the last eight years how “pro-life” George W. Bush and John McCain are.

As a result of this insanely inconsistent and pixilated punditry, millions of Americans now laugh at the very notion of “pro-life” conservatism. Bush and McCain have made a mockery of the very term.

Consider, too, the way Bush and McCain have allowed the international bankers on Wall Street to bilk America’s taxpayers out of trillions of dollars. Yes, I know Obama also supported the Wall Street bailout, but it was the Republican Party that controlled the White House for the last eight years and the entire federal government for six out of the last eight years. In fact, the GOP has won seven out of the previous ten Presidential elections. They have controlled Supreme Court appointments for the past thirty-plus years. They have appointed the majority of Treasury secretaries and Federal Reserve chairmen. They have presided over the greatest trade imbalances, the biggest deficits, the biggest spending increases, and now the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression.

Again, the American people look at these so-called “conservatives” and laugh. No wonder such a sizeable majority of voters yawned when John McCain tried to scare them by accusing Barack Obama of being a “big taxer.” How can one possibly scare people with a charge like that after the GOP has made a total mockery of fiscal conservatism? That’s like trying to scare someone coming out from a swim in the Gulf of Mexico with a squirt gun.

Then there was the pathetic attempt by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to scare gun owners regarding an Obama White House. Remember that John McCain is the same guy that the NRA rightly condemned for proposing his blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold bill. McCain is also the same guy that tried to close down gun shows. He even made a personal campaign appearance for a pro-gun control liberal in the State of Oregon a few short years ago. In fact, the Gun Owners of America (GOA) gave McCain a grade of “F” for his dismal record on Second Amendment issues. Once again, Chicken Little-style paranoia over Barack Obama rang hollow when the alternative was someone as liberal as John McCain.

But the worst calamity of this election was the way conservatives–especially Christian conservatives–surrendered their principles for the sake of political partisanship. The James Dobsons of this country should hang their heads in shame! Not only did they lose an election, they lost their integrity!

In South Carolina, for example, pro-life Christians and conservatives had an opportunity to vote for a principled conservative-constitutionalist for the U.S. Senate. He is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, and pro-traditional marriage. He believes in securing our borders against illegal immigration. He is against the bailout for the Wall Street banksters. His conservative credentials are unassailable. But the vast majority of Christian conservatives (including those at Bob Jones University) voted for his liberal opponent instead.

The man that the vast majority of Christian conservatives voted for in South Carolina is a Big-Government neocon. He supported the bailout of the Wall Street banksters. He is a rabid supporter of granting amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. In fact, this man has a conservative rating of only 29% in the current Freedom Index of the New American Magazine.

Why did Christian conservatives support the liberal neocon and not the solid pro-life conservative? Because the conservative ran as a Democrat and the neocon is a Republican. I’m talking about the race between Bob Conley and Lindsey Graham, of course.

Had South Carolina’s pastors, Christians, evangelicals, and pro-life conservatives voted for Bob Conley, he would be the new senator-elect from that state. In fact, Bob was so conservative that the Democratic leadership in South Carolina endorsed the Republican, Lindsey Graham! No matter. A majority of evangelical Christians in South Carolina stupidly rejected Bob Conley and voted for Graham.

Across the country, rather than stand on principle, hundreds of thousands of pastors, Christians, and pro-life conservatives capitulated and groveled before John McCain’s neocon agenda. In doing so, they forfeited any claim to truth, and they abandoned any and all fidelity to constitutional government. They should rip the stories of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego out of their Bibles. They should never again tell their children, parishioners, and radio audiences the importance of standing for truth and principle. They have made a mockery of Christian virtue. No wonder a majority of the voting electorate laughs at us Christians. No wonder the GOP crashed and burned last Tuesday.

Again, it wasn’t Barack Obama who destroyed conservatism; it was George W. Bush, John McCain, and the millions of evangelical Christians who supported them. And until conservatives find their backbone and their convictions, they deserve to remain a burnt-out, has-been political force. They have no one to blame but themselves.

And since it is unlikely that the Republican Party has enough sense to understand any of this and will, therefore, do little to reestablish genuine conservative principles, it is probably best to just go ahead and bury the scoundrels now and move on to something else. Without a sincere commitment to constitutional government, the GOP has no justifiable reason to ever govern again. Therefore, put a fork in them. They are done. Let a new entity arise from the ashes: one that will stand for something more than just “the lesser of two evils.” As we say in the South, That dog just won’t hunt anymore.

hmmmm...to the op...I have been around for some 15 pres elections. When JFK was elected...it was the death of the rep party, according to the pundits. When Nixon resigned, it was the end of the rep. When Reagon was elected the second time...death of the Dems. Not too long ago, when the repubs won congress'(94) the dems were dead again. Seems like the pundits are always too quick to predict the demise of a pol party. Every election cycle, the pundits say that the Rep must become more liberal to win...in the last 28 years, Rep have had presidency for 20 of them. So much for switching to more lib, I think.

Right.

Maybe they'll fade away and a new, third party will replace them.

Conservatives need some revamping. Pushing their religious right ideals on the public is not popular. Noone wants to deny them the freedom to practice their religion, just the right to impose it on everyone.

I agree with you but it could be a blessing in disguise...that is if we can get these lard arse DEMS to do what needs to be done instead of dwelling on things like natl. healthcare, the fairness doctrine, gay fascism & stalling on alternative energy. Two years folks.

All are the same power = corruption
like wolves in sheep's clothing

I AM SO GLAD PEOPLE TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO DO......

anyone who thinks that the counrty was NOT voting against G W Bush and the Republicans...is kidding themselves...O'Bama was the last Dem standing...that's it !!...as a matter of fact...under normal circumstances...with his views...thoughts...and...ideas...economically, and socially...he would have gotten his ass kicked !!...as most Americans live their lives Conservatively...

The conventional wisdom that Americans are overwhelmingly conservative is fundamentally false, according to “The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth,” a study of poll data by Media Matters for America and Campaign for America’s Future.

The two organizations conducted the study by examining independent, nonpartisan polling data over the past 20 years from sources such as the American National Election Studies (NES), the General Social Survey (GSS), and Gallup polls.

Among the key findings of the study:

The role of government:


69% of Americans say the government “should care for those who can’t care for themselves.”
Twice as many people (43% vs. 20%) say they want “government to provide many more services even if it means an increase in spending” as want government to provide fewer services “in order to reduce spending.”
The economy:
77% of Americans say Congress should increase the minimum wage.
66% say “upper-income people” pay too little in taxes.
53% say the Bush administration’s tax cuts have failed because they have increased the deficit and caused cuts in government programs.


Social issues:
61% of Americans support embryonic stem cell research.
62% want to protect Roe v. Wade.


Only 3% of Americans rank same-sex marriage as the “most important” social issue.
Security:
43% of Americans say we are spending too much on our military.
60% say the federal government should do more about restricting the kinds of guns that people can purchase.
The environment:
75% of Americans would be wiling to pay more for electricity if it were generated by renewable sources to help reduce global warming.
79% want higher emissions standards for automobiles.
Energy:
52% of Americans say “the best way for the US to reduce its reliance on foreign oil” is to “have the government invest in alternative energy sources.”
68% say US energy policy is better solved by conservation than production.
Immigration:
57% of Americans say “most recent immigrants to the US contribute to this country” rather than “cause problems.”
67% of Americans say, “on the whole,” immigration is a “good thing for this country today.”
Health care:
69% of Americans say it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have access to health coverage.
76% find access to healthcare more important than maintaining the Bush tax cuts.
Three in five would be willing to have their own taxes increased to achieve universal health coverage.
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here try this...I'll bet we agree on most...be honest...
#1 Do you believe murderers should be put to death ?
#2 Do you believe that you have the right to own a gun ?
#3 Do you believe that abortion is wrong and that we should try to limit the number of abortions in this country and around the world ?
#4 Do you believe in lower taxes for every American ?
#5 Do you believe in a strong military ?
#6 Do believe in private property rights ?
#7 Do you believe in less govenment ?
#8 Do you think gay sex is natural and normal ?
#9 Do you agree with affirmative action, and quotas in our public institutions and in the workforce ?