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Edited by
creativesoul
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Sun 12/14/08 09:20 AM
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After watching this program, I was left with the same feeling that I get with any observer created reality notion which uses quantum mechanics as a tool for the notion's deemed worth or validity...
Do these people not realize that those probability laws which govern the wave/particle duality world do not apply to the macro world? Other than subatomic particles, material things are far larger than any electromagnetic wavelength used to determine their location and/or momentum, and therefore the possibility that our observation changes our physical reality in any way by thought alone is nil. It all sounds to me like an overly complex, let alone unsubstantiated and twisted way to describe the benefits of positive thinking...  |
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It all sounds to me like an overly complex, let alone unsubstantiated and twisted way to describe the benefits of positive thinking... Maybe that's really all that's in it? |
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Positive thinking is undeniably a very valuable trait to have. It lends one who possesses it the ability to see the light at the end of the tunnel. It provides hope and helps one to work towards goals.
When completely misconstrued, as I feel it has been in that show, it can also make false claims about what it is and why, thereby lending (mis)understanding to what has been experienced. Flying blind always results in a crash, it is just a matter of time. |
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Well, I suppose as long as it makes money everything goes, but that is no news. We have to take that in consideration every time we see somebody claiming something.
We have to realize that every time we see something on television someone somewhere is making money. (That's the disgusting realist in me  )
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Have you been 'Down the Rabbit Hole' yet?
 (It's the follow up...) Sometimes a whole lot of words are necessary to 'sell' the obvious, to the masses.... When I first saw it, I had a strong sense of relief.... like... "Oh thank goodness I am not the only one..." Is it possible to view these progammes/sharing of ideas in a visual and auditory manner; ie dvds...as another wider medium for all, in a user friendly manner....? Whether one 'gets' anything from 'What The Bleep'... depends on where they are at.... I suspect. it made sense....and I didn't have a desire to be critical...discerning perhaps, but not critical of it... Way I see it, if people can adopt stories from over 2000 years ago (bibles and such)... why is it not ok to glean the usefullness from EVERY medium available, that are appropriate to where we are within our own consciousness? |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Sun 12/14/08 12:49 PM
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Well, I suppose as long as it makes money everything goes, but that is no news. We have to take that in consideration every time we see somebody claiming something. We have to realize that every time we see something on television someone somewhere is making money. (That's the disgusting realist in me ) Every magazine, newspaper, internet page, radio all comes at a cost... Every toothpick, paper towel, toilet paper....comes at a cost, and a profit.... I don't see the difference... The only 'free information' is word of mouth... ...which is also only a perspective.
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I just got finished with watching it on youtube. Many of the ideas brought up are valid and everyone should know . . . sadly most do not, many of the points used are real science.
Many of the conclusions where a) a big leap, b) a misrepresentation of or large inference from what science says, c) Questionable. I would have loved for them to mention some numbers and %'s in regards to the snowflake exercise. They should have presented the deviation from random chance . . . . There needed to be added controls in the protocols as well, perhaps it was done, but not mentioned, again this adds to my comment that I would have liked to see more figures less conjecture. Jeremy. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 12/14/08 07:05 PM
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I did not like the film at all. It seemed more designed to confuse the issue than clarify it and it had a rather flaky presentation. (Made by amateurs for amateurs in my opinion, and probably attracted people who decided to "try" it once or twice and laugh and tell everyone "Oh hey, it doesn't work, I tried it!"  Other than subatomic particles, material things are far larger than any electromagnetic wavelength used to determine their location and/or momentum, and therefore the possibility that our observation changes our physical reality in any way by thought alone is nil. I don't think I personally know any person that can change physical reality by thought alone, but I would not go so far as to assume that this not a possibility. However I am quite certain you will have no effect on physical reality without thought first and foremost. Do these people not realize that those probability laws which govern the wave/particle duality world do not apply to the macro world? Perhaps they have an effect on this reality in a way scientists cannot see or measure in their scientific fashion. After all, these small subatomic particles, are so far, the only building blocks they have discovered for this "large" slow moving universe. What else is there? Why wouldn't the "building blocks" of reality have some effect on reality? Thoughts create reality, there is no way to get around it in my opinion. They ALONE don't create this physical reality or environment we live in, but go to sleep and have a dream and you will see how your thoughts create that dream reality. It is a three dimensional reality with sights and sounds and even color for some people. A dream is a mind created holographic three dimensional finite reality with sound, movement through "space" and sometimes senses like touch, and taste. I once enjoyed eating creamy chocolate candy in a dream, all mind or thought created. This too, is a dream-like finite reality. |
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After watching this program, I was left with the same feeling that I get with any observer created reality notion which uses quantum mechanics as a tool for the notion's deemed worth or validity... Not sure what you mean by "apply to", but it seems obvious to me that those probablility laws must have some relationship to the macro world, since it is the micro world that makes up the macro world.
Do these people not realize that those probability laws which govern the wave/particle duality world do not apply to the macro world? |
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After watching this program, I was left with the same feeling that I get with any observer created reality notion which uses quantum mechanics as a tool for the notion's deemed worth or validity... Do these people not realize that those probability laws which govern the wave/particle duality world do not apply to the macro world? Other than subatomic particles, material things are far larger than any electromagnetic wavelength used to determine their location and/or momentum, and therefore the possibility that our observation changes our physical reality in any way by thought alone is nil. It all sounds to me like an overly complex, let alone unsubstantiated and twisted way to describe the benefits of positive thinking... Basic cognitive psychology with a bit of mysticism, i saw it. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Mon 12/15/08 12:59 PM
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I did not like the film at all. It seemed more designed to confuse the issue than clarify it and it had a rather flaky presentation. (Made by amateurs for amateurs in my opinion, and probably attracted people who decided to "try" it once or twice and laugh and tell everyone "Oh hey, it doesn't work, I tried it!" Other than subatomic particles, material things are far larger than any electromagnetic wavelength used to determine their location and/or momentum, and therefore the possibility that our observation changes our physical reality in any way by thought alone is nil. I don't think I personally know any person that can change physical reality by thought alone, but I would not go so far as to assume that this not a possibility. However I am quite certain you will have no effect on physical reality without thought first and foremost. Do these people not realize that those probability laws which govern the wave/particle duality world do not apply to the macro world? Perhaps they have an effect on this reality in a way scientists cannot see or measure in their scientific fashion. After all, these small subatomic particles, are so far, the only building blocks they have discovered for this "large" slow moving universe. What else is there? Why wouldn't the "building blocks" of reality have some effect on reality? Thoughts create reality, there is no way to get around it in my opinion. They ALONE don't create this physical reality or environment we live in, but go to sleep and have a dream and you will see how your thoughts create that dream reality. It is a three dimensional reality with sights and sounds and even color for some people. A dream is a mind created holographic three dimensional finite reality with sound, movement through "space" and sometimes senses like touch, and taste. I once enjoyed eating creamy chocolate candy in a dream, all mind or thought created. This too, is a dream-like finite reality. I have not watched these lectures in a while, but even Professor Muller mentions that as you start to add in more and more particles to a wave probability calculation it starts to smooth out any probabilities to the point that it is definite where the location will be. This is why we do not see whole people tunnel through walls, its not that they cannot, but that the probability of them being where you see them is so close to 100% that it is ridiculous to think it will happen. If we waited around 100 trillion years we might see a small object such as a BB tunnel through something, but being that trillions of years is older then the current age of the universe . .. seems a bit out there to expect it, no less control it with your mind. This does not mean that parts of our brain do not use tunneling to function that is not something we are sure of in the current state of our research. (my guess is that our brain just like any good computer makes use of QM) Modern electronics would not function without Q. Tunneling that is for sure. Its like any material at small scales its rough, if looked at from a distance its smooth, so is spacetime. Richard Muller QM lectures UC Berkley. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsnEUApVHgI&feature=PlayList&p=B737E73919D5C608&playnext=1&index=39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbiQ61NScU0&feature=PlayList&p=B737E73919D5C608&playnext=1&index=33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RrWEBDMo80&feature=PlayList&p=B737E73919D5C608&playnext=1&index=32 |
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