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Topic: Global warming is a myth, a wise man told me so
BrandonJItaliano's photo
Sun 01/04/09 03:06 PM
Edited by BrandonJItaliano on Sun 01/04/09 03:15 PM
We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these ****ing people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the ****ing planet?

I'm getting tired of that ****. Tired of that ****. I'm tired of ****ing Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle pants. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a **** about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are ****ed. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your ****, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...a$$holes.

So, the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now. And I think that's begun. Don't you think that's already started? I think, to be fair, the planet sees us as a mild threat. Something to be dealt with. And the planet can defend itself in an organized, collective way, the way a beehive or an ant colony can. A collective defense mechanism. The planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet? How would you defend yourself against this troublesome, pesky species? Let's see... Viruses. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh...viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps, this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures. Perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus, making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along. And maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction.

Well, that's a poetic note. And it's a start. And I can dream, can't I? See I don't worry about the little things: bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we're part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order. Call it what you want. Know what I call it? The Big Electron. The Big Electron...whoooa. Whoooa. Whoooa. It doesn't punish, it doesn't reward, it doesn't judge at all. It just is. And so are we. For a little while."


RIP GEORGE, If there were only more like u, this place would be a whole lot better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c


beauty314's photo
Sun 01/04/09 03:12 PM
unimportance is a noble pursuitflowerforyou

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Sun 01/04/09 03:13 PM
Edited by BrandonJItaliano on Sun 01/04/09 03:15 PM
Its time to open our eyes

nogames39's photo
Sun 01/04/09 03:26 PM
There is a law suit against Al Gore. His whole presentantion turned out to be a ****ing lie.

Ingenious idea, I must admit. To create this whole rush about earth being destroyed, so all this stupid people start consuming everything "green", after already consumed all the same sheet in brown.

I am ROTFLMAO, listening to some of these Green energy folks on Coast-to-Coast-am station.

Obviously, they haven't been to high school, or they were sleeping. Amazing thing though, is how many of these people are unable to see a simple scam behind most of this green hype.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sun 01/04/09 04:22 PM

There is a law suit against Al Gore. His whole presentantion turned out to be a ****ing lie.

Ingenious idea, I must admit. To create this whole rush about earth being destroyed, so all this stupid people start consuming everything "green", after already consumed all the same sheet in brown.

I am ROTFLMAO, listening to some of these Green energy folks on Coast-to-Coast-am station.

Obviously, they haven't been to high school, or they were sleeping. Amazing thing though, is how many of these people are unable to see a simple scam behind most of this green hype.


Well...the good part of that is that Coast to Coast also has shows about the other side of that issue.

Thomas3474's photo
Sun 01/04/09 08:54 PM
I totally agree.This goes back once again to the money trail.Now that the global warming movement is losing steam fewer people are willing to jump on the band wagon throwing millions of dollars on a cause that is questionable at best.Lets not mention that Mr Al gore himself has not done the slightest bit on his part to reduce his carbon footprint.As a matter of fact his has gotten larger every year.Hard to follow a man who preaches tipping points and end of the world scenarios when he himself isn't practicing what he preaches.On a more positive note in my state.The city of Federal way fed up with Mr gores movie about global warming that only shows one side of the issue has now said that schools must show both sides of the issue.

nogames39's photo
Sun 01/04/09 09:20 PM
Driving to a new year party, I was listening to radio show. They were talking about correcting the cesium clock, by removing one second.

Turns out while it is not new to correct for leap year (irregularities of earth period of rotation around the sun), there is a new correction, to compensate for slowing down the rotation around earth own axis.

If I remember correctly my physics course, the low os conservation of momentum would indicate in the case of shortening of earth's rotational period, that there was a shift of mass. To slow the earth down, you'd need to move some of the water up, towards the poles. This means coming ice period, not warming.

If the ice was truly melting melting, then the water would move towards equator, and therefore spinning the earth up.

Thomas3474's photo
Sun 01/04/09 09:30 PM
I don't think we could kill this planet even if we wanted to.You look back at the 1940's when the war was in full gear you had no less than 50,000 coal burning steam locomotives around the world belching unscrubbed coal smoke,tens of thousands of factories,power plants,and other buildings letting out at least 100 times that and every car in the world burning oil straight out the tail pipe with out a catalytic converter.If there was any time in history when we would have killed the planet I think in that time frame it would have happened.

nogames39's photo
Sun 01/04/09 09:38 PM
I remember watching the Krakatoa blowup on TV. They said that scientists had calculated that in just one hour, the volcano has spewed more pollution into an atmosphere, than all human activity since stone age.

Lynann's photo
Sun 01/04/09 11:03 PM
Honestly, I have real doubts about global warming.

Here is the however...if...and it's an if...it is true what harm would be done if we made changes?

Don't give me the line about losing jobs, lowered industrial production etc...with every major shift in technology old jobs in obsolete industries are lost but new ones are created in new industries.

If humans are impacting climate and changing it to the peril of future generations then we must do something. Since the question of our impact cannot be answered in this generation isn't it better to err on the side of protecting the environment?

Either way, it won't impact our lives substantially but it will our children and or grandchildren.

I don't know about you but I love my grandchildren enough to give them the best world possible.

nogames39's photo
Sun 01/04/09 11:50 PM
Most people want to leave our children the clean planet (how nice)....






..... and tons of debts.


Ah, what can one do? Want to go get that HDTV (even if it is on debt), but will pack it in a green paper box (to calm the consciousness).

nogames39's photo
Sun 01/04/09 11:54 PM
Another thought:

Imagine yourself living in 1903. You are saving the planet, conserving it's resources...


Then in just a few years, Roosevelt and Hitler decide to start a gigantic war, a world war, and to burn those resources with abandon.

Why not. They have got plenty to burn for several years. Let the tanks roll...




So, with this in mind, how much can one person save? Just enough for a tank to roll for one month.

Don't be a loser.

Thomas3474's photo
Mon 01/05/09 12:53 AM

Another thought:

Imagine yourself living in 1903. You are saving the planet, conserving it's resources...


Then in just a few years, Roosevelt and Hitler decide to start a gigantic war, a world war, and to burn those resources with abandon.

Why not. They have got plenty to burn for several years. Let the tanks roll...




So, with this in mind, how much can one person save? Just enough for a tank to roll for one month.

Don't be a loser.



That's a excellent point.We are not running out of natural resources nor are we having problems getting rid of garbage since alot of it is recycled.I know living in Washington state we have millions and millions of trees and a huge logging industry.Alot of tree huggers protest the logging.But it's a renewable resource.You can cut down a entire forest and in 50 years everything will have grown back.You even have old growth trees over 100 years old that sprouted from a seed back in 1908 when the forest was completly ruined by logging.

On another Washington note...We have handford in Washington state and back in the 1940's they dumped well over a billion gallons of highly radioactive waste into the river.If you go to Handford and go to the river it is perfectly healthy.You can swim and fish there and there is no danger of getting contaimanted.I think scientists always overblow the doomsday theories.

Another thing that tics me off about recycling...Our city gets alot of money when they sell the cardboard,glass,and aluminum to these factories.How come the people never get a check for all this money they make.

Lynann's photo
Mon 01/05/09 01:12 AM
At one time people looked at the buffalo roaming the plains and thought they were an unlimited resource.

They were wrong. Buffalo were nearly exterminated.


Bryon53067's photo
Mon 01/05/09 03:27 AM
Well,there's a scientific group that says we are now getting cooler,in fact the average world-wide temperature has gotten cooler each year of the last 10 years,besides,it just snowed in Phoenix,Arizona,and Los Angeles,California.
"Global Waring" is a big sham,a LIE that's being perpetrated by Al Gore and his mindless minions.

nogames39's photo
Mon 01/05/09 10:40 AM

At one time people looked at the buffalo roaming the plains and thought they were an unlimited resource.

They were wrong. Buffalo were nearly exterminated.




This has nothing to do with "Resources" that we are talking about. Pretty, yes. Can be used, yes. Resources? Self extinguishing kind.

Humans do try to exterminate rats, and yet, it seems that rats will have a party on last human's grave.

So, what is the deal here? Simple, rats want to survive. Buffalos didn't.

Are you missing dinosaurs?

Some species just too incapable of survival. Buffalos were made for harmless plains. Hello? Do you not see a huge error in expecting harmless plains?

Buffalos are no different than "world peace" folks. In that they are being wiped out.

Lynann's photo
Mon 01/05/09 10:52 AM
The buffalo comment was in reply to another poster who commented about the number of trees there were in his state.


nogames39's photo
Mon 01/05/09 11:12 AM
One thing about communists is that when they use green blanket they do point their fingers and things that going on in commons.

They will not ever admit, that a private property cures the well known "tragedy of commons".

Again, as with dividing the people of USA into two parties illogically, communists use the same approach here:

They want "responsible ownership" without "ownership". This is impossible, of course. They know, which is why they do push for exactly that, dividing people and turning them either into "irresponsible owners" in their madness, or into "anti-ownership commies". Thus they achieve their goal which was not the "responsibility" mind you, but the removal of "ownership".

Now, how many times can an American be fooled?

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Mon 01/05/09 02:17 PM
Edited by jackalopeknight on Mon 01/05/09 02:19 PM

There is a law suit against Al Gore. His whole presentantion turned out to be a ****ing lie.

Ingenious idea, I must admit. To create this whole rush about earth being destroyed, so all this stupid people start consuming everything "green", after already consumed all the same sheet in brown.

I am ROTFLMAO, listening to some of these Green energy folks on Coast-to-Coast-am station.

Obviously, they haven't been to high school, or they were sleeping. Amazing thing though, is how many of these people are unable to see a simple scam behind most of this green hype.

Heck, when he was getting his "facts" he fired all the scientist that didn't agree with him.

P.S. George Nori rules!!! the planet is warming up, then again so are all the planet in the solar system. did your car leave a carbon foot print on mars?

:banana: :banana: :banana:

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Mon 01/05/09 08:26 PM
Edited by Blaze1978 on Mon 01/05/09 08:33 PM
Saving the planet is not about self-importance. It's about salvaging something that can never be replaced so that future generations can live reasonably comfortably. It's about taking personal responsibility because the people that pollute the planet and drain its resources refuse to, instead cashing in because they won't be around to see the planet go to waste anyway. I see nothing wrong with saving the planet.

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