Topic: Christianity is it a religion, a lie, or simply the truth?
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Sun 01/18/09 09:36 AM
You need to take your response out of the quote box. Otherwise it looks like James said that.

Abracadabra's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:36 AM

James I think they consider anyone who is not a Christian to be an Atheist.


I know they do.

Christianity is the most arrogant religion on earth.

It's nothing more than a social club of people who look down their noses at anyone who doesn't believe that God is as evil and as dastardly as the men who wrote the Bible.

flowerforyou

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:36 AM

What if that child who died was a little older and a professed homosexual? What can you tell the parents then?


He went home to be with His maker.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:37 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 01/18/09 09:39 AM


What if that child who died was a little older and a professed homosexual? What can you tell the parents then?


He went home to be with His maker.


That is not what your faith would allow you to say.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:37 AM


James I think they consider anyone who is not a Christian to be an Atheist.


I know they do.

Christianity is the most arrogant religion on earth.

It's nothing more than a social club of people who look down their noses at anyone who doesn't believe that God is as evil and as dastardly as the men who wrote the Bible.

flowerforyou


I love your comments from the peanut gallery.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:40 AM


For the Christian He or she goes onto a better place. The new Testament authors call this Falling asleep. I could tell that mother or father that your son or daughter went HOME to a better place to be with its maker.


What are you going to tell that mother or father if their child had rejected Christianity?

Are you going to tell them, "Sorry but the little bastard went to hell were he or she BELONGS!" pitchfork

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Seriously, what would you tell the parent in that case?

The God I believe in welcomes EVERYONE HOME!

Not just those who chose to become bigots in the name of Jesus.


Wow, your really talking nasty about my worldview. Do you hear anyone doing this to yours? Your the one looking bad.


Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:41 AM
The peanut gallery? This coming from nubby? That Calvin College is weak in the sciences I just noticed. Big surprise.

Abracadabra's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:43 AM

Wow, your really talking nasty about my worldview. Do you hear anyone doing this to yours? Your the one looking bad.


Christians denounce eveyone who doesn't believe that the men who wrote the Bible speak for God.

To tell anyone that that are rejecting their creator is the most nasty thing you can possibly tell someone.

I never claim that Christians denounce their creator.

All I claim is the truth. They use their creator as an excuse to support bigotry in the name of Jesus.

Most Christians are bigoted against gays.

Most Chrsitians are bigoted against anyone who doesn't accept that the men of the Middle East speak for God.

Many Chrsitians and Christian organizations are bigoted toward anyone who believe in science. They condemn them as 'evolutionists'.

Christianity is a nasty insult to all world views that disagree with it because they are constantly proclaiming that those people are sinners who are rejecting their creator and choosing to side with a demon.

Have I ever suggested that you have rejected your creator and have chosen to side with a demon?


Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:43 AM
Wow, your really talking nasty about my worldview. Do you hear anyone doing this to yours? Your the one looking bad.


No one has talked "nasty" about your world view. Its in the bible.

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Sun 01/18/09 09:46 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Sun 01/18/09 09:51 AM

Not true.

there is evidence that Jesus never existed and you can use the bible to show that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2UJxPECNdU





http://www.godvsthebible.com/about

The author "John Armstrong" has no credentials to give his statements any weight. Historians and theologians agree that a man named Jesus existed, preached and was believed to work miracles. There is simply too much historical evidence to deny that. The Gospels are too accurate to be denied on historical evidence. Now you are welcome to your own opinion, but how much is an opinion which goes against historical scholarship worth? Honestly, it's prejudice and bias. So keep your prejudiced and biased opinion, but I would think that anyone who valued intellectual honesty would be ashamed to hold a belief that is so completely against what we KNOW to be true.

Abracadabra's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:46 AM

No one has talked "nasty" about your world view. Its in the bible.


There's the gospel truth.

The Bible demands that God rejects people and sends them to hell.

It clearly states that if you don't believe in this God this God will reject you.

You see, the God I believe in accepts you whether you believe in Her or not.

The Biblical God rejects anyone who doesn't believe that the male chauvinisitic Mediterranean madmen speak for him.

The Biblical God hates heathens.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:47 AM


Wow, your really talking nasty about my worldview. Do you hear anyone doing this to yours? Your the one looking bad.


Christians denounce eveyone who doesn't believe that the men who wrote the Bible speak for God.

To tell anyone that that are rejecting their creator is the most nasty thing you can possibly tell someone.

I never claim that Christians denounce their creator.

All I claim is the truth. They use their creator as an excuse to support bigotry in the name of Jesus.

Most Christians are bigoted against gays.

Most Chrsitians are bigoted against anyone who doesn't accept that the men of the Middle East speak for God.

Many Chrsitians and Christian organizations are bigoted toward anyone who believe in science. They condemn them as 'evolutionists'.

Christianity is a nasty insult to all world views that disagree with it because they are constantly proclaiming that those people are sinners who are rejecting their creator and choosing to side with a demon.

Have I ever suggested that you have rejected your creator and have chosen to side with a demon?




I have not denounced you. If you think Christians do not care about science just read some of John Polkinghorn's stuff. A Christian can believe in evolution and still be a Christian, some hold this view, salvation is not at stake.

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Sun 01/18/09 09:49 AM
Biblical scholars also believe that the father of Jesus was a Roman centurion who raped Mary. Biblical scholars come up with all kinds of theories. One is free to pick and choose which ones sound the most reliable and have the most supportive evidence.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:52 AM

Biblical scholars also believe that the father of Jesus was a Roman centurion who raped Mary. Biblical scholars come up with all kinds of theories. One is free to pick and choose which ones sound the most reliable and have the most supportive evidence.


I am not doubting you but can you find me a scholar who believes that?

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Sun 01/18/09 09:53 AM

Biblical scholars also believe that the father of Jesus was a Roman centurion who raped Mary. Biblical scholars come up with all kinds of theories. One is free to pick and choose which ones sound the most reliable and have the most supportive evidence.


That theory isn't supported by any scholars or reputable theologians.

It's amazing to me how poor of sources some people will use to discredit a belief that they claim to not be threatened by.

What I believe: It's not Christianity that scares you, it's your sneaking suspicion that it might be true.

Abracadabra's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:53 AM

The author "John Armstrong" has no credentials to give his statements any weight.


If you give credence to what someone says based solely on their credentials then you'd have to reject the Bible.

Clearly Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, have the greatest credentials of any humans who have ever lived. And they reason they have the greatest credentials is because they have both discovered the greatest truths of reality.

Yet, both of these men deny that Jesus was the son of the God of Abraham.

Therefore, if you're going to shoot for credentials, you must reject the Biblical account of God.

Otherwise, just listen to arguments and decide for yourself and don't worry about credentials because they clearly hold no value for you anyway.

Nubby's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:57 AM


The author "John Armstrong" has no credentials to give his statements any weight.


If you give credence to what someone says based solely on their credentials then you'd have to reject the Bible.

Clearly Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, have the greatest credentials of any humans who have ever lived. And they reason they have the greatest credentials is because they have both discovered the greatest truths of reality.

Yet, both of these men deny that Jesus was the son of the God of Abraham.

Therefore, if you're going to shoot for credentials, you must reject the Biblical account of God.

Otherwise, just listen to arguments and decide for yourself and don't worry about credentials because they clearly hold no value for you anyway.


They are not New Testament Scholars though.

Krimsa's photo
Sun 01/18/09 09:57 AM


Biblical scholars also believe that the father of Jesus was a Roman centurion who raped Mary. Biblical scholars come up with all kinds of theories. One is free to pick and choose which ones sound the most reliable and have the most supportive evidence.


That theory isn't supported by any scholars or reputable theologians.

It's amazing to me how poor of sources some people will use to discredit a belief that they claim to not be threatened by.

What I believe: It's not Christianity that scares you, it's your sneaking suspicion that it might be true.





In his upcoming biography of Jesus, "Basic Instinct" director Paul Verhoeven will make the shocking claim that Christ probably was the son of Mary and a Roman soldier who raped her during the Jewish uprising in Galilee.

An Amsterdam publishing house said Wednesday it will publish the Dutch filmmaker's biography of Jesus, "Jesus of Nazareth: A Realistic Portrait," in September.

It will be translated into English in 2009, Marianna Sterk of the publishing house J.M. Meulenhoff said. Verhoeven hopes it will be a springboard for him to raise interest in making a film along the same lines, she said.

The 69-year-old director, who also directed "Showgirls" — starring Elizabeth Berkley in one of the most panned films of the '90s — and sci-fi action hits like "Total Recall" and "RoboCop," as well as the sci-fi bust "Starship Troopers," claims he and co-biographer Rob van Scheers have written the most realistic portrayal of Jesus ever published.

In addition to suggesting that the Virgin Mary may have been a rape victim, the book will also say that Christ was not betrayed by Judas Iscariot, one of the 12 original apostles of Jesus, as the New Testament states.

Catholic League President Bill Donohue called Verhoeven's claim about Mary "laughable."

"Here we go again with idle speculation grounded in absolutely nothing," Donohue told FOXNews.com. "He has no empirical evidence to support his claim, which is why they say 'may have.'"

Donohue also mocked the fact that Verhoeven — best known for directing the famous Sharon Stone crotch scene in "Basic Instinct" — reportedly worked on the book for 20 years, only to come up with a "probably."

"He's been working 20 years trying to sell this argument and hasn't come up with anything," Donohue said. "This won't make a dent with Christians, nor with scholars somewhat wary of the biblical account.

"It's a European version of Hollywood. He should go back to Sharon Stone's legs."

Kirk Bingaman, director of the pastoral counseling program at Fordham University's Graduate School of Religion, said the idea that Mary was raped and that the rapist was Jesus' father is not new.

"The idea goes back to ancient sources from the 1st or 2nd century; I personally don’t put a lot of stock in it. How would we ever know? We don’t have any empirical proof. I subscribe to the Apostles' Creed that Jesus was conceived of the Virgin Mary," he said.

Over the years, Verhoeven, who is Catholic and holds a doctorate in mathematics and physics from the University of Leiden, was a regular attendee of the Jesus Seminar, which was co-founded by the late religion scholar Robert W. Funk. The seminar called into question miracles and statements attributed to Jesus.

"The Jesus Seminar was big in the '80s and somewhat in the '90s," Donohue said. "They have been very controversial in challenging the accepted biblical account of Jesus. The goal is to question the divinity of Christ — to say he was nothing but a happy carpenter who worked at Lowe's or Home Depot."

Calls to Verhoeven's representatives were not immediately returned.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Sun 01/18/09 09:59 AM


The author "John Armstrong" has no credentials to give his statements any weight.


If you give credence to what someone says based solely on their credentials then you'd have to reject the Bible.

Clearly Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, have the greatest credentials of any humans who have ever lived. And they reason they have the greatest credentials is because they have both discovered the greatest truths of reality.

Yet, both of these men deny that Jesus was the son of the God of Abraham.

Therefore, if you're going to shoot for credentials, you must reject the Biblical account of God.

Otherwise, just listen to arguments and decide for yourself and don't worry about credentials because they clearly hold no value for you anyway.


Credentials like: Studied history, particularly the era when Israel was under the control of Rome. Studied the Bible. Fluent in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Aramaic of that time. Educated in the tools used by archeologists and historians. The fact that Einstein was smart isn't really a credential for Biblical scholarship. Honestly Abra, I shouldn't have to tell you that. noway You guys are so desperate to deny Christianity that you will make statements and behave in ways which you know are wrong.

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Sun 01/18/09 10:01 AM

I have not denounced you. If you think Christians do not care about science just read some of John Polkinghorn's stuff. A Christian can believe in evolution and still be a Christian, some hold this view, salvation is not at stake.


John Polkinghorne supports evolution.

"Evolution, of course, is not something that simply applies to life here on earth; it applies to the whole universe." - John Polkinghorne.

So according to mainstream Christianity in America Polkinghorne would be cast aside as a 'heretic'.

Mainstream Christianity in America is out to denounce evolution and instead teach creationsim in our schools.

This just another place where Chrsitianity is absurd.

No two Christians can agree on anything. ohwell

Christianity is a meaningless concept because it means something different to every Christian.

As I often say, if the whole world were to convert to Christianity that would only be the start of the real Holy Wars.