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Topic: CREATION VERSUS EVOLUTION.....PULL UP A CHAIR !!!!
Lynann's photo
Wed 02/11/09 09:01 AM
If you are a creationist or a supporter of "intelligent design" the current code word for creationism or a supporter of evolution I urge you to watch the NOVA episode Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial.

This is the case of the Dover Public School Boards attempt to force science teachers to teach intelligent design. This case came before a Bush appointed republican judge who ultimately disallowed the teaching of intelligent design as science.

Some excellent points are covered along with the well reasoned arguments from attorneys and witnesses on both sides of the issue.

Here is a link for your convince. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

Most people who discount evolution do so because they do not or cannot understand the science.

Instead they cling to a theory that is unproven put forth by purveyors of myth.

Thanks much but I will stick with science.

Transitional fossil records proving evolution do exist that support Darwin's theory.

Human and great ape DNA evidence does exist as well that also supports evidence of common ancestry.

To conclude that because there is a fossil gape between man and great apes voids Darwin's theory there for God or some other intelligent designer must have made man seems a silly leap to me.

What proof do you have that this is so? If creationism is true where is the scientific testable proof? If creationism is true how does it apply or explain the indisputable evidence of evolution in other species?

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Wed 02/11/09 12:02 PM

If you are a creationist or a supporter of "intelligent design" the current code word for creationism or a supporter of evolution I urge you to watch the NOVA episode Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial.

This is the case of the Dover Public School Boards attempt to force science teachers to teach intelligent design. This case came before a Bush appointed republican judge who ultimately disallowed the teaching of intelligent design as science.

Some excellent points are covered along with the well reasoned arguments from attorneys and witnesses on both sides of the issue.

Here is a link for your convince. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

Most people who discount evolution do so because they do not or cannot understand the science.

Instead they cling to a theory that is unproven put forth by purveyors of myth.

Thanks much but I will stick with science.

Transitional fossil records proving evolution do exist that support Darwin's theory.

Human and great ape DNA evidence does exist as well that also supports evidence of common ancestry.

To conclude that because there is a fossil gape between man and great apes voids Darwin's theory there for God or some other intelligent designer must have made man seems a silly leap to me.

What proof do you have that this is so? If creationism is true where is the scientific testable proof? If creationism is true how does it apply or explain the indisputable evidence of evolution in other species?



Beautiful job 'Lynann'!!!

Much more comprehensive than the parts I had made available.

My favorites out of the site are in no particular order:

- Judge John Jones reads key excerpts from his landmark ruling. Very short and crisp!!! (I actually took some notes to improve my rather 'long & drippy' writing style :))

- Didn't realize they actually made a documentary about the Dover Case. '... Here, Senior Executive Producer's Story Senior EP Paula Apsell explains why and how NOVA took on the contentious issue behind Kitzmiller v. Dover...'

- Very much key to this whole situation, the courage and the integrity of a handful of teachers, whom stood up against their 'Board': '... Board vs. Teachers Read the Dover School Board's controversial disclaimer on evolution and the memo science teachers wrote in response...'

- And finally, a personnal favorite of mine, the master bebunker IMO, '... In Defense of Evolution
Biologist Ken Miller on why ID is a "science stopper," why evolution matters, and more...'

If one is to pick only one, The Ken Miller interview above is stellar!!!

Thanks 'Lynann'.

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Wed 02/11/09 12:07 PM

If you are a creationist or a supporter of "intelligent design" the current code word for creationism or a supporter of evolution I urge you to watch the NOVA episode Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial.

This is the case of the Dover Public School Boards attempt to force science teachers to teach intelligent design. This case came before a Bush appointed republican judge who ultimately disallowed the teaching of intelligent design as science.

Some excellent points are covered along with the well reasoned arguments from attorneys and witnesses on both sides of the issue.

Here is a link for your convince. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

Most people who discount evolution do so because they do not or cannot understand the science.

Instead they cling to a theory that is unproven put forth by purveyors of myth.

Thanks much but I will stick with science.

Transitional fossil records proving evolution do exist that support Darwin's theory.

Human and great ape DNA evidence does exist as well that also supports evidence of common ancestry.

To conclude that because there is a fossil gape between man and great apes voids Darwin's theory there for God or some other intelligent designer must have made man seems a silly leap to me.

What proof do you have that this is so? If creationism is true where is the scientific testable proof? If creationism is true how does it apply or explain the indisputable evidence of evolution in other species?


How can they expect a science teacher to teach creationism when their is no scientific value to creationism?

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Wed 02/11/09 12:09 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 02/11/09 12:10 PM

If you are a creationist or a supporter of "intelligent design" the current code word for creationism or a supporter of evolution I urge you to watch the NOVA episode Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial.

This is the case of the Dover Public School Boards attempt to force science teachers to teach intelligent design. This case came before a Bush appointed republican judge who ultimately disallowed the teaching of intelligent design as science.

Some excellent points are covered along with the well reasoned arguments from attorneys and witnesses on both sides of the issue.

Here is a link for your convince. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

Most people who discount evolution do so because they do not or cannot understand the science.

Instead they cling to a theory that is unproven put forth by purveyors of myth.

Thanks much but I will stick with science.

Transitional fossil records proving evolution do exist that support Darwin's theory.

Human and great ape DNA evidence does exist as well that also supports evidence of common ancestry.

To conclude that because there is a fossil gape between man and great apes voids Darwin's theory there for God or some other intelligent designer must have made man seems a silly leap to me.

What proof do you have that this is so? If creationism is true where is the scientific testable proof? If creationism is true how does it apply or explain the indisputable evidence of evolution in other species?


YES, great series of videos that really captures the court proceeding's of the trial and highlights the complete lack of an argument from the ID group.

I have the link to the series in my thread on evolution in the science forum. In fact its the VERY first link. I think there is no better place to start then to see why the law does not respect ID as science.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703

Gota pimp the truth every chance I get!

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Wed 02/11/09 12:32 PM


If you are a creationist or a supporter of "intelligent design" the current code word for creationism or a supporter of evolution I urge you to watch the NOVA episode Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial.

This is the case of the Dover Public School Boards attempt to force science teachers to teach intelligent design. This case came before a Bush appointed republican judge who ultimately disallowed the teaching of intelligent design as science.

Some excellent points are covered along with the well reasoned arguments from attorneys and witnesses on both sides of the issue.

Here is a link for your convince. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

Most people who discount evolution do so because they do not or cannot understand the science.

Instead they cling to a theory that is unproven put forth by purveyors of myth.

Thanks much but I will stick with science.

Transitional fossil records proving evolution do exist that support Darwin's theory.

Human and great ape DNA evidence does exist as well that also supports evidence of common ancestry.

To conclude that because there is a fossil gape between man and great apes voids Darwin's theory there for God or some other intelligent designer must have made man seems a silly leap to me.

What proof do you have that this is so? If creationism is true where is the scientific testable proof? If creationism is true how does it apply or explain the indisputable evidence of evolution in other species?


YES, great series of videos that really captures the court proceeding's of the trial and highlights the complete lack of an argument from the ID group.

I have the link to the series in my thread on evolution in the science forum. In fact its the VERY first link. I think there is no better place to start then to see why the law does not respect ID as science.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/202703

Gota pimp the truth every chance I get!



Sorry 'Bushidobillyclub',

So the credit goes to both of you for pointing out this excellent site (NOVA).

If there were only one link to spread for a comprehensive round-up, putting this 'bible-inerrancy-dogma' disguising itself as 'creationism', disguising itself as 'ID', disguising itself as science (if that isn't evolution, I don't know what is!), THIS IS THE LINK!!!

The very conservative, devout christian and Bush appointed Judge Jones excerpts of the landmark ruling are in themselves a breath of SANE and FRESH AIR, that had been seriously missing from this whole creationists generated 'SMOKE'!!!

Thanks again to you two!!!


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