Topic: The crude idea of none movement.
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Fri 02/27/09 12:26 PM
Do you believe "movement" seizes to exist in some parts of the universe?

That a planet doesn't rotate

that everything floating in infinite black doesn't move.

Do you think that is possible?

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Fri 02/27/09 12:44 PM
Ok, a planet without rotation is considered a dead planet and the laws of physics dictate that the planet will tear itself apart or be pulled to an area of space with a stronger gravitational pull. Also, an object occupying space indirectly causes energy and since energy is always in motion, so I would have to say no, unless of course you have consumed a bag of shrooms, then anything is possible! LOL

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Fri 02/27/09 12:52 PM
Well from a relativistic perspective, any object in space without another object to use as a reference point is just as capable of stating that it is not moving.


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Fri 02/27/09 05:28 PM
so we have one say yes and the other say no?

Confused stilllaugh


I guess I should first ask the question does a planet even float?


and if it does how can we determine movement if nothing is seen moving, unless floating is considered moving?

I am no scientist so it just interests me in general how that works.

thanks for the infodrinker

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Fri 02/27/09 06:56 PM
O°K (-273°C), if that is what you're asking about.

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Sat 02/28/09 12:46 AM

I guess I should first ask the question does a planet even float?


"floating" occurs when an object or body becomes of equal or less density of its environment, i.e. bubbles in water, balloons in the sky. so, no.

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Sat 02/28/09 06:51 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sat 02/28/09 06:53 AM
Nogames pointed out heat energy, or the kinetic motion of atoms. Where when they reach absolute Zero all particles can be thought to be at rest, however we cannot get objects that cold . . . so . . .

Smiles I think you would enjoy reading about relativity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

Here is a decent over view.

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Sat 02/28/09 12:26 PM

Nogames pointed out heat energy, or the kinetic motion of atoms. Where when they reach absolute Zero all particles can be thought to be at rest, however we cannot get objects that cold . . . so . . .

Smiles I think you would enjoy reading about relativity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

Here is a decent over view.


thank you for this. I will watch it to learn something for a changedrinker

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Sat 02/28/09 12:33 PM
Motion is the source of all change...

Remove motion, and you remove existence altogether.

flowerforyou

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Sat 02/28/09 12:35 PM

Motion is the source of all change...

Remove motion, and you remove existence altogether.

flowerforyou


very interesting my brilliant frienddrinker

so does this means motion always exists even in the universe?

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Sat 02/28/09 03:16 PM
I would think if something was at absolute zero, that would slowly spread to the rest of the universe. Just like something can't be so hot that it tears apart all conscious matter. What I think is really crazy is how the sun is so hot even though the empty space in outer space is so cold. And if there's no oxygen in space to sustain the burning (since flame takes oxygen to perpetuate itself) then how it maintains itself is really confusing. But if something like that can exist, I don't think something that negates all movement can exist; maybe once all the stars burn out, but that won't be for billions, maybe trillions, of years.

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Sat 02/28/09 03:44 PM

I would think if something was at absolute zero, that would slowly spread to the rest of the universe.


I would think that even if getting a single atom to absolute zero was possible, it would no longer be at absolute zero as soon as it interacted with any other particle, as that interaction would spread kinetic energy to the frozen atom, either through radiation or conduction.

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Sun 03/01/09 12:34 PM
very interesting my brilliant friend

so does this means motion always exists even in the universe?


Who knows really?

If there is motion, there is time, which measures the existence of matter.

The holy trinity of existence... Time... Motion... Matter...



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Sun 03/01/09 02:07 PM

I would think if something was at absolute zero, that would slowly spread to the rest of the universe. Just like something can't be so hot that it tears apart all conscious matter. What I think is really crazy is how the sun is so hot even though the empty space in outer space is so cold. And if there's no oxygen in space to sustain the burning (since flame takes oxygen to perpetuate itself) then how it maintains itself is really confusing. But if something like that can exist, I don't think something that negates all movement can exist; maybe once all the stars burn out, but that won't be for billions, maybe trillions, of years.


It's not quite what you think. There is no firewood on the Sun.

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Sun 03/01/09 03:41 PM

Do you believe "movement" seizes to exist in some parts of the universe?

That a planet doesn't rotate

that everything floating in infinite black doesn't move.

Do you think that is possible?



Only if they turn off the holodeck program. laugh :wink:

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Mon 03/02/09 09:04 AM


Do you believe "movement" seizes to exist in some parts of the universe?

That a planet doesn't rotate

that everything floating in infinite black doesn't move.

Do you think that is possible?



Only if they turn off the holodeck program. laugh :wink:


That surely reminds me of all the Matrix movies I have seendrinker

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Mon 03/02/09 02:38 PM

I would think if something was at absolute zero, that would slowly spread to the rest of the universe. Just like something can't be so hot that it tears apart all conscious matter. What I think is really crazy is how the sun is so hot even though the empty space in outer space is so cold. And if there's no oxygen in space to sustain the burning (since flame takes oxygen to perpetuate itself) then how it maintains itself is really confusing. But if something like that can exist, I don't think something that negates all movement can exist; maybe once all the stars burn out, but that won't be for billions, maybe trillions, of years.
Gravity crushes hydrogen down untill it combines to make helium, this processes releases huge amounts of energy, the sun is not fire burning, its a processes of fusion that takes lighter elements and fuses them into heavier elements, this processes releases huge amounts of energy.



I would think if something was at absolute zero, that would slowly spread to the rest of the universe.


I would think that even if getting a single atom to absolute zero was possible, it would no longer be at absolute zero as soon as it interacted with any other particle, as that interaction would spread kinetic energy to the frozen atom, either through radiation or conduction.
Correct.