Fair enough. LOL. But, there are so many saying every other one is wrong.. Lets just say that if I devote my life to the catholic church.. And, I die in hmm lets say 50 years.. I'd like to think I'll see 71. Anyways, lets say in 50 years when I "see the light at a long tunnel" Buddah is there and I spent my whole life saying he was wrong.. I'd be screwed.. Soo, if I live my life as a good person, all the crap that MOST religions have in common.. W/o going to a certain church.. Well I like to think that in the event there is a god.. I'm safe and will be allowed into "heaven" BUT seeing as how I buy more into reincarnation the whole heaven/hell thing is hard to swallow as it is lol

sorry, I just dont understand threads like these..fine if God doesnt exsist okay to those who think that...why is it up for discussion.......I cant see myself writing a thread about does the easter bunny leave eggs at easter lol? Just my opinion

agnostics are people who don't feel obliged to make a decision one way or the other on something that they have NO way of knowing one way or the other.

gnostics are like gamblers making best guesses.

Answer me this

If Adam and Eve had two sons and one killed their brother, how did the world get so populated?

you misunderstand. i am not tethered to any particular religion. i believe in a supreme creator and thats it. the bible does nothing for me. you can be spiritual without having to define yourself with a specific religion.

sounds like sour grapes to me bruda.

ya dont have to drink the kool aid dude. organized religion is kind of an oxymoron.

I agree.. A bit like jumbo shrimp.. I couldnt help it.. Guess that would be like saying " I wanna see a giant midget"

You're right, I did misunderstand you and you make a good point.

Myself, I choose not to believe in a supreme creator, I find it to be scientifically impossible

then that is your religion. your faith.

the unwritten 11th commandment - 'thy shall keep thine religion to thyself'

At least we can agree on that

Personally I'm fond of "Microsoft Works"...

thats a new one for me. lol

Yes. I was born and raised into Christianity. I was actually so devout that I wanted to preach it! In fact, it soon became obvious to me that even the preachers were having difficulty understanding it.

I was taught that the Bible has answers to all questions, and I believed that. So I began to study the Bible in-depth to find the answer to all the questions and perhaps even help the preachers understand the parts they are confused over.

I soon realized that not only doesn't the Bible contain answers, but it doesn't even make any sense. And yes, it became vividly apparent that I would be the moral superior to the biblical God.

So I did far more than merely mull over the idea. I actively investigated it in-depth. I finally had no choice but to reject the religion as being untenable. God simply cannot be like the Bible claims. Or if he is, he's not only immoral but he's not even trustworthy.

However, I didn't automatically turn to atheism. And I confess that atheism is not attractive to me. I'm not saying that atheism can't be true, I'm simply saying that if it is true I see nothing about it that is uplifting.

Of course, I've later learned that all so-called 'atheists' don't view the word the way I do. Some atheists actually believe in a spirituality, just not a godhead.

Well, I'm not going to argue with anyone over semantics, but to me, atheism = no spirituality. That's just my own personal understanding of word.

I definitely believe in spirit.

However, like you've stated, it makes no sense to believe that spirit is less 'moral' than me. If there is 'spirit' it must be beyond moral.

Fortunately I found pictures of spirituality that are in fact perfect. Not only are they perfect, but they are even in complete agreement with nature and what we scientifically know about the universe.

The issue of "good and evil" is completely taken care of and totally explained and accounted for.

Of course, this belief is entirely FAITH-BASED. I'm not claiming that it's the true nature of reality. Atheism could be true!

I won't argue with that.

All I know is that I can conceive an idea of a perfect God (or perfect spirit). And it works for me.

My reason is quite simple.

If I can imagine a perfect spirit, then surely this must be what spirit is truly like (OR BETTER!). Surely as a mere mortal being I could not possibly imagine a spirit that is actually better than God!

For if I could then my imagination would be better than God's.

So I think it's safe to assume that if I can imagine a perfect God or spirit, then surely that divine spirit can do me one better.

In short, God cannot possibly be a disappointment to me, for if God was a disappointment to me then it wouldn't be much of a God.

It's pretty simple really.

I can't out-think God. Therefore God necessarily must be better than I can imagine.

Either that or the atheists are right. Check with the local authorities in your area for more details and/or any outstanding prohibitions.

Nope

Answer me this

If Adam and Eve had two sons and one killed their brother, how did the world get so populated?

^^^^^^^ another poster asked ^^^^^^^^

sixth day creation of "mankind" male and female, Adam and Eve were created later, after GOD rested. Eve was created from Adam, they were the Adamic line through which Christ would come, umbilical cord to umbilical cord.

Now way could all the races and different peoples come from just Adam and Eve

check out Adams geneology, Cain is not mentioned, cains geneology is, he was the offspring of the Devil, the serpent who beguiled (wholly seduced) Eve.

Ah, ok. What?

don't forget that eve gave birth to seth after cain killed abel. (still doesnt answer the population question but eve did have 3 kids.)

read first six chapters of Genesis, "mankind" was created on the sixth day, male and female they were created. God rested, the God made The man Adam, to tend the garden, and later created Eve, from Adam. These were the two through which Christ would come.

It is not what is commonly taught, they would have you believe Eve ate an apple and all that crap and talked to a snake