Topic: Orson Scott Card
Lynann's photo
Sat 05/02/09 01:11 PM
Edited by Lynann on Sat 05/02/09 01:12 PM
Mr. Card is a busy boy these days. He is the Mormon leader of the religious right's top anti-gay marriage organization, National Organization for Marriage. You remember that organization right? It is one of the groups that put the financial resources of the Mormon church into producing and airing campaign laws that lied about Prop 8. He advocates some interesting things like criminalization of homosexuality and the over throw of the government.

Gotta say give the history of the Mormons both past and present in regards to marriage this guy has no moral ground to stand on haha

Here are some exerts from an article from The Mormon Times.

By whatever means necessary

Faithful sexual monogamy, persistence until death, male protection and providence for wife and children, female loyalty to children and husband, and parental discretion in child-rearing.

If government is going to meddle in this, it had better be to support marriage in general while providing protection for those caught in truly destructive marriages.

Because when government is the enemy of marriage, then the people who are actually creating successful marriages have no choice but to change governments, by whatever means is made possible or necessary.

Conspiracy theories

And you can guess how long it will now take before any group that speaks against "gay marriage" being identical to marriage will be attacked using the same tools that have been used against anti-abortion groups -- RICO laws, for instance.

Overthrow of the government

Why should married people feel the slightest loyalty to a government or society that are conspiring to encourage reproductive and/or marital dysfunction in their children?

Why should married people tolerate the interference of such a government or society in their family life?

If America becomes a place where our children are taken from us by law and forced to attend schools where they are taught that cohabitation is as good as marriage, that motherhood doesn't require a husband or father, and that homosexuality is as valid a choice as heterosexuality for their future lives, then why in the world should married people continue to accept the authority of such a government?

What these dictator-judges do not seem to understand is that their authority extends only as far as people choose to obey them.

How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.

Biological imperatives trump laws. American government cannot fight against marriage and hope to endure. If the Constitution is defined in such a way as to destroy the privileged position of marriage, it is that insane Constitution, not marriage, that will die.

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Sat 05/02/09 01:22 PM
:laughing: as if this guy speaks for me and many others???? POPPYCOCK:laughing:

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Sat 05/02/09 01:23 PM
I like his fiction

but then I liked L Ron Hubbards fiction too and don't give his religion much credibility either

FreeToB's photo
Sat 05/02/09 01:26 PM
He does write good sci-fi books!


FreeToB's photo
Sat 05/02/09 01:29 PM

I like his fiction

but then I liked L Ron Hubbards fiction too and don't give his religion much credibility either


I've read a lot on Hubbard. He and his friends talked about starting a new religion based on a pay as you go basis years before he did it. Strictly a money deal. I'd say zero credibility.

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Sat 05/02/09 01:47 PM

Mr. Card is a busy boy these days. He is the Mormon leader of the religious right's top anti-gay marriage organization, National Organization for Marriage. You remember that organization right? It is one of the groups that put the financial resources of the Mormon church into producing and airing campaign laws that lied about Prop 8. He advocates some interesting things like criminalization of homosexuality and the over throw of the government.

Gotta say give the history of the Mormons both past and present in regards to marriage this guy has no moral ground to stand on haha

Here are some exerts from an article from The Mormon Times.

By whatever means necessary

Faithful sexual monogamy, persistence until death, male protection and providence for wife and children, female loyalty to children and husband, and parental discretion in child-rearing.

If government is going to meddle in this, it had better be to support marriage in general while providing protection for those caught in truly destructive marriages.

Because when government is the enemy of marriage, then the people who are actually creating successful marriages have no choice but to change governments, by whatever means is made possible or necessary.

Conspiracy theories

And you can guess how long it will now take before any group that speaks against "gay marriage" being identical to marriage will be attacked using the same tools that have been used against anti-abortion groups -- RICO laws, for instance.

Overthrow of the government

Why should married people feel the slightest loyalty to a government or society that are conspiring to encourage reproductive and/or marital dysfunction in their children?

Why should married people tolerate the interference of such a government or society in their family life?

If America becomes a place where our children are taken from us by law and forced to attend schools where they are taught that cohabitation is as good as marriage, that motherhood doesn't require a husband or father, and that homosexuality is as valid a choice as heterosexuality for their future lives, then why in the world should married people continue to accept the authority of such a government?

What these dictator-judges do not seem to understand is that their authority extends only as far as people choose to obey them.

How long before married people answer the dictators thus: Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down, so it can be replaced with a government that will respect and support marriage, and help me raise my children in a society where they will expect to marry in their turn.

Biological imperatives trump laws. American government cannot fight against marriage and hope to endure. If the Constitution is defined in such a way as to destroy the privileged position of marriage, it is that insane Constitution, not marriage, that will die.


I just read that entire thing. Wow, my head hurts.

I think the ONLY job of the Federal government should be to protect our sovereignty as a nation, our borders, etc. Not to intefere in or protect anyones individual rights. They could screw up a wet dream, f**k up an anvil with a rubber hammer, etc...and they DO.