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| Topic: Borders Wide Open. Let's talk Wages | |
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It's not new news, DHS has suspended raids and deportations of Illegals.
What do you expect will happen to wages with the open border policy and possible Amnesty for the 12 to 20 Million Illegals already here? With the economy sinking in Mexico as well, we can expect many, many more to cross over. Do you think your job is safe? |
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imho - national sales tax, and eliminate income tax... at least that way EVERYONE pays....
*jumps down from the soap box*.... 
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imho - national sales tax, and eliminate income tax... at least that way EVERYONE pays.... *jumps down from the soap box*.... Sounds like a winner. In reference to your job, if you could be replaced by an Illegal, how would you afford those sales taxes? No job, no money? |
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if you are not the boss you are replaceable
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The GM and Chrsler problem could be remedied by replacing all line workers with Illegals. They'd do it for Min. wage and be happy doing it.
A few thousand could bust the Union. The National Guard could provide security at the picket line for them. |
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Edited by
AGoodGuy1026
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Mon 05/04/09 09:07 AM
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The GM and Chrsler problem could be remedied by replacing all line workers with Illegals. They'd do it for Min. wage and be happy doing it. A few thousand could bust the Union. The National Guard could provide security at the picket line for them. imho, then GM and Chrysler's cars would be low quality because they were assembled by non-skilled labor. Skilled labor builds a better product, which consumers would rather buy over a low quality product... so the MARKET would keep GM and Chrysler from doing this... Interestinly enough, GM, Chrysler (and other manufactureres) are replacing workers with Robots... (surely your not advocating the abolishment of robots)... *sarcasm*... It's also against the law to employ illegals - so large corporations (due to standard hiring practices) are likely not to hire illegal 'en mass... this is all said from my limited perspective on the world... no offense intended... as for my job specifically? I work hard to educate myself and get jobs that cannot be done by lay-person(s)... (i.e. highly technical) |
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The GM and Chrsler problem could be remedied by replacing all line workers with Illegals. They'd do it for Min. wage and be happy doing it. A few thousand could bust the Union. The National Guard could provide security at the picket line for them. imho, then GM and Chrysler's cars would be low quality because they were assembled by non-skilled labor. Skilled labor builds a better product, which consumers would rather buy over a low quality product... so the MARKET would keep GM and Chrysler from doing this... Interestinly enough, GM, Chrysler (and other manufactureres) are replacing workers with Robots... (surely your not advocating the abolishment of robots)... *sarcasm*... It's also against the law to employ illegals - so large corporations (due to standard hiring practices) are likely not to hire illegal 'en mass... this is all said from my limited perspective on the world... no offense intended... as for my job specifically? I work hard to educate myself and get jobs that cannot be done by lay-person(s)... (i.e. highly technical) Just a simple question, why assume the illegals only provide unskilled labor? |
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Edited by
AGoodGuy1026
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Mon 05/04/09 09:11 AM
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because skilled laborers would demand more than min wage...
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Just work for a racist elitist...
Then you'll have no worries! 
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The GM and Chrsler problem could be remedied by replacing all line workers with Illegals. They'd do it for Min. wage and be happy doing it. A few thousand could bust the Union. The National Guard could provide security at the picket line for them. imho, then GM and Chrysler's cars would be low quality because they were assembled by non-skilled labor. Skilled labor builds a better product, which consumers would rather buy over a low quality product... so the MARKET would keep GM and Chrysler from doing this... Interestinly enough, GM, Chrysler (and other manufactureres) are replacing workers with Robots... (surely your not advocating the abolishment of robots)... *sarcasm*... It's also against the law to employ illegals - so large corporations (due to standard hiring practices) are likely not to hire illegal 'en mass... this is all said from my limited perspective on the world... no offense intended... Those are the old rules. The last raid and roundup, DHS was ordered to release the Illegals. I would imagine, they went back to their job. Immigration Law is no longer being enforced in the workplace. How can you prove Illegals would do poorer quality work? It takes very little training to put a worker on a line watching a robot or placing a part. They are building on homes that sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars. In the NAFTA Plants, they make replacement parts. They are all comparable quality to OEM. Profiteers care not for quality. They want sales. |
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because skilled laborers would demand more than min wage... Disagree but that's my opinion, nothing else supply and demand the backbone of business 
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Edited by
AGoodGuy1026
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Mon 05/04/09 09:32 AM
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I agree profiteers want sales, but if consumers stop buying poor quality products, profiteers would have to make a better product to get the sales. I don't buy some things cheaply (like tools) - because I purchase for quality...
I agree, companies should be held to the law about hiring illegals, but I think the resolution is to have a dynamic tax structure, one that is not based on self reporting of income for tax purposes - national sales tax is just what I belive in in order to do this... Joe Biden is actually one that proposed this a long time ago... Non-skilled labor would not perform as well as skilled labor - illegal or not... if someone is accepting min wage for a "skilled" position, I would argue they are not going to perform the same as the skilled person... I'm gonna get flamed for this - but part of the downfall of the auto industry is the huge labor cost of unions... if left to free market, auto manufacturers could sell us cars for less, but yes - the workers would be making less money. Being paide $90,000 per year with huge benifits for running an air wrench is not smart... I don't agree with NAFTA - I think it was a mistake. I also think mis management of resources and high union wage/benefit packages make it attractive for the auto industry to out source. The auto unions have helped create their own mess. to the original post, no job is "safe" - knowledge is safe... you remain employable - you remain employed. This is not a socialist (yet) or communist country - noone is "owed" or has a "right" to a job. You must go get one by being employable... |
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I agree profiteers want sales, but if consumers stop buying poor quality products, profiteers would have to make a better product to get the sales. I don't buy some things cheaply (like tools) - because I purchase for quality... I agree, companies should be held to the law about hiring illegals, but I think the resolution is to have a dynamic tax structure, one that is not based on self reporting of income for tax purposes - national sales tax is just what I belive in in order to do this... Joe Biden is actually one that proposed this a long time ago... Non-skilled labor would not perform as well as skilled labor - illegal or not... if someone is accepting min wage for a "skilled" position, I would argue they are not going to perform the same as the skilled person... I'm gonna get flamed for this - but part of the downfall of the auto industry is the huge labor cost of unions... if left to free market, auto manufacturers could sell us cars for less, but yes - the workers would be making less money. Being paide $90,000 per year with huge benifits for running an air wrench is not smart... I don't agree with NAFTA - I think it was a mistake. I also think mis management of resources and high union wage/benefit packages make it attractive for the auto industry to out source. The auto unions have helped create their own mess. to your original post, no job is "safe" - knowledge is safe... you remain employable - you remain employed. This is not a socialist (yet) or communist country - noone is "owed" or has a "right" to a job. You must go get one by being employable... Ain't gonna' get flamed by me. I quite agree, the jobs and manufacturers who choose to relocate out of country are doing it to cut labor costs. There are many other jobs that an Illegal can fill. They can be trained. In the long run, to train an Illegal would be more profitable than paying a continued high wage, or as some see it, a living wage. |
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How does this square with Obama's public claims of wanting to raise the min wage to 9.50/hr by 2011? Obviously there is a disconnect between his statements and actions. So why do the MSM love him so much?
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Edited by
franshade
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Mon 05/04/09 09:41 AM
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to your original post, no job is "safe" - knowledge is safe... you remain employable - you remain employed. This is not a socialist (yet) or communist country - noone is "owed" or has a "right" to a job. You must go get one by being employable... Notice only picking this excerpt of your response Are you saying those presently unemployed are unknowledgable? There are no 'safe jobs' as everyone is replaceable. hypothetical scenario: You and I can do the same work, making license plates, you work for $2/per hour and I do the same work for $1/per hour - does not make you smarter than I, you could have been there longer, follow. granted I agree, no one is "owed", has a "right" to or is "due" a job. |
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Edited by
AGoodGuy1026
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Mon 05/04/09 09:50 AM
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no, It's just my opinion that labor markets change and shift, and it would be naive to think that they will not.
It would mean that the market for that job has changed, and in order to remain employed - I (for example) would have to 1) look for the same job somewhere else (and perhaps take a pay cut) 2) learn how to do a new job that pay's $2 per hour... It's not tasteful, but the more people that were qualified to make license plates were in the labor pool, the lower wage would be earned by doing that same job. To follow up - if (in this hypothetical) we unionized and held management to the $2 per hour wage, when all other plate makers were able to pay their workers less ($1 per hour) how long do you think the company would stay in business? They (the $2 company) would have to consier outsourcing the manufacturing of their plates to a company that could pay their plate makers $1. It's quite circular - and reenforced my point, labor markets change and evolve... the only way to remain employed - is to remain employable... it may mean a career change and/or an evaluation of personal lifestyle... |
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Agree: markets, businesses, life evolves - we must either adapt to the changes, make excuses, make decisions, point fingers, etc.
*You said, To follow up - if we unionized and held management to the $2 per hour wage, when all other plate makers were able to pay their workers less ($1 per hour) how long do you think the company would stay in business? They (the $2 company) would have to consier outsourcing the manufacturing of their plates to a company that could pay their plate makers $1. Competition is better than monopoly (jmo) figure out a way to stay in competition w/the other companies. |
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Competition is better than monopoly (jmo) figure out a way to stay in competition w/the other companies. I would completely agree, this would be a "win win" for all involved... |
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I have to repair my own trucks.
I go into Chevy. Their part costs $250.00. Lifetime guarantee. Part is stamped, Made in Mexico. I go to Auto Zone. Same part same guarantee, same Made in Mexico stamp. It costs $150.00. Which one do I buy? Same as with many many, jobs. same quality, lower cost but, the bottom line for the manufacturer, corp, business owner, higher profit. We are seeing more, every day, our workers being replaced by the Illegal and excessive HB permit worker as well as production being sent to other countries who employ slave labor. |
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well better bring the cheap labor in.....or pretty soon nothing at all will say made in america.
we will completly lose our ability to produce. anything. |
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