I am sure that Jesus who became the Christ was aware that we would in
our time be unable to physically walk the same exact path he took on his
journey in the physical world.

Therefore he must have meant something entirely different then us
walking in the place where he placed his feet.

When a man or woman is born they are a child. The live with the need of
their mother and father for their very sustenance. Sons and Daughters
of humans. As they grow they learn and develope until one day they must
chose. Are they just sons and daughters forever eating of the fruits of
the parents or will they take the next step and become Fathers and
Mothers as life requires them?

Mankind is no longer a child. We were born and watched over and coddled
and fed. We begain to grow and live as would a child. We lashed out as
does a child. We lived anger, love and hate as does a child. When we
reached a point where our lasing out required it we were punished a
flood of change came upon us as happens to every adolesent. From the
flood of change we again begain to grow. Now we have reached that point
in every childs life that we must move beyond childish things and become
an adult as a species.

We have reached that point every child reaches when it becomes time to
step away from the home and make our own way in the world of reality as
a species.

What will your individual contribution be to this species? Will you
cling to the toys of a child, the emotions of a child and the vision of
a child? Or will you place the goal of humanity in the compass of your
vision and step out smartly on the path to the next step in evolution.

1) Jesus didn't become the Christ, he was born the Christ.

2) God is eternal, omnipotent and omniscient. We will never be adults
to God, that is why we are called to be like children. We are to be
obeidient, loving and trusting of God, like a child is to their parents.

I can not limit myself to being just a child forever. Nor can I accept
that limit for my species.

Should I be wrong in my beleif it is on my shoulders.

Should I be right all mankind will benefit.

Should I be right God himself will rejoice as does a father when he sees
his son planting his own crops raising his own children and looking
toward the future.

I have grown beyond the needs of the son.

I am the father

If you study the foundations of Eastern Mysticism, and then read the
stories of Jesus imagining that he had been to the far east and learned
the ways of the mystics. Then all of the moralities that Jesus taught
will make prefect sense.

Also, if you realize that the men who wrote the accounts of Jesus (and
therefore put words into the mouth of Jesus) did not understand him, and
they had an external view of God. Then you can see why they made up the
stories they did. Especially when you take into account that they were
extremely oppressed by the Romans, and were desperately in need of a
martyr to make into a god as they believe God should be.

I’ve seen people even today tell tales of friends and relatives who have
passed away. Even their tales are larger than life. It’s human nature
to exaggerate and idolize those who are important to us. The disciples
of Jesus wrote their accounts decades after the actual events had taken
place They had plenty of time to converse with each other in the
interim and boost each others beliefs in the supernatural nature of
Jesus.

After all, if Jesus had become enlightened in the far east I’m sure that
his disciples would have marveled at his abilities at being
supernatural. There are many examples of people even in this day and
age telling supernatural stories of others they have met. It’s not
unheard of at all, on the contrary it’s an extremely natural tendency of
humans to make their martyrs out to be larger than life.

So when you read the ‘words of Jesus’ in the Bible, you really need to
realize that they aren’t the ‘words of Jesus’ at all, but rather they
are the belated accounts of men who idolized him and had witnessed his
crucifixion by the Romans. It’s not the least bit surprising that they
would want to claim that he was God as they believed in God. So they
made him out to be a sacrificial lamb of God. Jesus never claimed to be
the sacrificial lamb of God. On the contrary, he claimed to *be* god
which fits right in with Eastern Mysticism. Because the Eastern Mystics
don’t think of god as being an eternal egotistical entity. They think
of humans as being a manifestation of god. Inseparable from god. (i.e.
the father and the son are one in all of us)

I believe that this is what Jesus was trying to teach, but because the
western culture couldn’t give up their idea of an external God in the
sky they totally misunderstood what Jesus was trying to share with them.

When the story is viewed in this way everything falls into place and all
the mysteries are answered.

This I believe.

AB wrote:
"I have grown beyond the needs of the son.

I am the father"

Yes, AB, I believe that this is what Jesus was trying to teach.

Ironically those who believe that Jesus was a sacrificial lamb sent by
and external God will never be able to see the true message that Jesus
was attempting to convey. They are too busy trying to get a free ticket
into heaven.

Spider I think this verse speaks for itself.. Miles

Heb 5:12-14

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to
teach you again the first principles of the oracles of YHWH; and you
have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes
only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a
babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is,
those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both
good and evil.
NKJV

Milesoftheusa,

The question isn't do Christians mature in the spirit, the question is
can we mature to the point that we no longer need God. The answer is a
simple "No".

Spider you have not understood.

Even a man who has become a father to his childre, a grandfather to his
chldrens children still needs his father.

The difference being he no longer needs his father as a son does but as
a man does.

Yes we will always need Yahweh. But we are to strive for perfection.
The tools that Yahweh has given us to reach for the goal of perfection
is the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit resides is where Yahweh's will
commands are kept. With faith all things are possible. Abraham as a man
believed Yahweh could raise his son. He was commanded and was going to
sacrafice his only son to obey Yahweh. now Yahweh fullfilled this with
Yahshua and Yahshua as an obedient son accepted death knowing he would
be the 1st born of the dead. Yahsua was tempted as we are he felt pain
as we do. But he truely believed Yahweh and his commands. Yahshua told
us to...

Matt 5:43-48

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate
your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who
curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who
spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your
Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good,
and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those
who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do
the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more
than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you
shall be perfect , just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
NKJV
Now Yahshua did this and was full of the Holy Spirit. The verse does
not say try to be perfect ( yet none of us are) but you shall be
perfect. Loving your nieghbor as yourself. Thier is no better friend
than one who would give his life for you. Yahshua called John the
baptist his friend and greatest born amoung women. He calles us his
bride and in the marraige the 2 shall become 1. The Holy spirit that
Yahshua had was from his father and the words that he spoke came from
his father. That same spirit comes in us if we will believe and keep his
commandments. As Yahshua said him and his father are one. And we as his
bride are 1. So do you not believe? miles

AdventureBegins,

I have understood perfectly. A man is an equal to his father, because
they are both on even ground. A man will never be the equal to God,
because God will always be greater.

Matthew 18:3
And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like
little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

yes. and the wife is to obey her husband. And her husband covers her
sins. So if we are truely Yahweh's and the bride of Yahshua we will OBEY
and are sins are covered. hence we become spiritually perfect because
the spirit of yahweh can not reside in and unclean temple. miles

Luke 4:16-30

So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom
was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to
read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He
had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh."

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat
down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in
your hearing." 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the
gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said,"Is this
not Joseph's son?"

23 He said to them, "You will surely say this proverb to Me, 'Physician,
heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in
Your country.'" 24 Then He said, "Assuredly, I say to you, no prophet
is accepted in his own country. 25 But I tell you truly, many widows
were in Israel in the days of Eliyah, when the heaven was shut up three
years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the
land; 26 but to none of them was Eliyah sent except to Zarephath, in
the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27 And many lepers
were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was
cleansed except Naaman the Syrian."

28 So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were
filled with wrath, 29 and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and
they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that
they might throw Him down over the cliff. 30 Then passing through the
midst of them, He went His way.
NKJV
do you understand?

Mal 4:4-6

4 "Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Eliyah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse
NKJV

If we are not covered then the children of the bridegroom would be
unclean. miles