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I am sure that Jesus who became the Christ was aware that we would in
our time be unable to physically walk the same exact path he took on his journey in the physical world. Therefore he must have meant something entirely different then us walking in the place where he placed his feet. When a man or woman is born they are a child. The live with the need of their mother and father for their very sustenance. Sons and Daughters of humans. As they grow they learn and develope until one day they must chose. Are they just sons and daughters forever eating of the fruits of the parents or will they take the next step and become Fathers and Mothers as life requires them? Mankind is no longer a child. We were born and watched over and coddled and fed. We begain to grow and live as would a child. We lashed out as does a child. We lived anger, love and hate as does a child. When we reached a point where our lasing out required it we were punished a flood of change came upon us as happens to every adolesent. From the flood of change we again begain to grow. Now we have reached that point in every childs life that we must move beyond childish things and become an adult as a species. We have reached that point every child reaches when it becomes time to step away from the home and make our own way in the world of reality as a species. What will your individual contribution be to this species? Will you cling to the toys of a child, the emotions of a child and the vision of a child? Or will you place the goal of humanity in the compass of your vision and step out smartly on the path to the next step in evolution. |
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1) Jesus didn't become the Christ, he was born the Christ.
2) God is eternal, omnipotent and omniscient. We will never be adults to God, that is why we are called to be like children. We are to be obeidient, loving and trusting of God, like a child is to their parents. |
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I can not limit myself to being just a child forever. Nor can I accept
that limit for my species. Should I be wrong in my beleif it is on my shoulders. Should I be right all mankind will benefit. Should I be right God himself will rejoice as does a father when he sees his son planting his own crops raising his own children and looking toward the future. I have grown beyond the needs of the son. I am the father |
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If you study the foundations of Eastern Mysticism, and then read the
stories of Jesus imagining that he had been to the far east and learned the ways of the mystics. Then all of the moralities that Jesus taught will make prefect sense. Also, if you realize that the men who wrote the accounts of Jesus (and therefore put words into the mouth of Jesus) did not understand him, and they had an external view of God. Then you can see why they made up the stories they did. Especially when you take into account that they were extremely oppressed by the Romans, and were desperately in need of a martyr to make into a god as they believe God should be. I’ve seen people even today tell tales of friends and relatives who have passed away. Even their tales are larger than life. It’s human nature to exaggerate and idolize those who are important to us. The disciples of Jesus wrote their accounts decades after the actual events had taken place They had plenty of time to converse with each other in the interim and boost each others beliefs in the supernatural nature of Jesus. After all, if Jesus had become enlightened in the far east I’m sure that his disciples would have marveled at his abilities at being supernatural. There are many examples of people even in this day and age telling supernatural stories of others they have met. It’s not unheard of at all, on the contrary it’s an extremely natural tendency of humans to make their martyrs out to be larger than life. So when you read the ‘words of Jesus’ in the Bible, you really need to realize that they aren’t the ‘words of Jesus’ at all, but rather they are the belated accounts of men who idolized him and had witnessed his crucifixion by the Romans. It’s not the least bit surprising that they would want to claim that he was God as they believed in God. So they made him out to be a sacrificial lamb of God. Jesus never claimed to be the sacrificial lamb of God. On the contrary, he claimed to *be* god which fits right in with Eastern Mysticism. Because the Eastern Mystics don’t think of god as being an eternal egotistical entity. They think of humans as being a manifestation of god. Inseparable from god. (i.e. the father and the son are one in all of us) I believe that this is what Jesus was trying to teach, but because the western culture couldn’t give up their idea of an external God in the sky they totally misunderstood what Jesus was trying to share with them. When the story is viewed in this way everything falls into place and all the mysteries are answered. This I believe. |
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AB wrote:
"I have grown beyond the needs of the son. I am the father" Yes, AB, I believe that this is what Jesus was trying to teach. Ironically those who believe that Jesus was a sacrificial lamb sent by and external God will never be able to see the true message that Jesus was attempting to convey. They are too busy trying to get a free ticket into heaven. |
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Spider I think this verse speaks for itself.. Miles
Heb 5:12-14 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of YHWH; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. NKJV |
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Milesoftheusa,
The question isn't do Christians mature in the spirit, the question is can we mature to the point that we no longer need God. The answer is a simple "No". |
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Spider you have not understood.
Even a man who has become a father to his childre, a grandfather to his chldrens children still needs his father. The difference being he no longer needs his father as a son does but as a man does. |
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Yes we will always need Yahweh. But we are to strive for perfection.
The tools that Yahweh has given us to reach for the goal of perfection is the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit resides is where Yahweh's will commands are kept. With faith all things are possible. Abraham as a man believed Yahweh could raise his son. He was commanded and was going to sacrafice his only son to obey Yahweh. now Yahweh fullfilled this with Yahshua and Yahshua as an obedient son accepted death knowing he would be the 1st born of the dead. Yahsua was tempted as we are he felt pain as we do. But he truely believed Yahweh and his commands. Yahshua told us to... Matt 5:43-48 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect , just as your Father in heaven is perfect. NKJV Now Yahshua did this and was full of the Holy Spirit. The verse does not say try to be perfect ( yet none of us are) but you shall be perfect. Loving your nieghbor as yourself. Thier is no better friend than one who would give his life for you. Yahshua called John the baptist his friend and greatest born amoung women. He calles us his bride and in the marraige the 2 shall become 1. The Holy spirit that Yahshua had was from his father and the words that he spoke came from his father. That same spirit comes in us if we will believe and keep his commandments. As Yahshua said him and his father are one. And we as his bride are 1. So do you not believe? miles |
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AdventureBegins,
I have understood perfectly. A man is an equal to his father, because they are both on even ground. A man will never be the equal to God, because God will always be greater. Matthew 18:3 And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. |
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yes. and the wife is to obey her husband. And her husband covers her
sins. So if we are truely Yahweh's and the bride of Yahshua we will OBEY and are sins are covered. hence we become spiritually perfect because the spirit of yahweh can not reside in and unclean temple. miles |
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Luke 4:16-30
So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: 18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh." 20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said,"Is this not Joseph's son?" 23 He said to them, "You will surely say this proverb to Me, 'Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in Your country.'" 24 Then He said, "Assuredly, I say to you, no prophet is accepted in his own country. 25 But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Eliyah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land; 26 but to none of them was Eliyah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian." 28 So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29 and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff. 30 Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way. NKJV do you understand? Mal 4:4-6 4 "Remember the Law of Moses, My servant, Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel, With the statutes and judgments. 5 Behold, I will send you Eliyah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh. 6 And he will turn The hearts of the fathers to the children, And the hearts of the children to their fathers, Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse NKJV If we are not covered then the children of the bridegroom would be unclean. miles |
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