Topic: new study shows US gov't schools fail
Winx's photo
Fri 09/18/09 11:04 AM

Some kids don't do well in public school. My oldest son had "learning disabilities" and the type of learning he needed was not offered at his high school. After many meeting, the state had to pay for a private school that would offer the type of teaching he needed.

I was told by the Head of the Department of Education (in a state where I was back east at the time) that there are 7 different ways to teach children and that they were only implementing 3.

So if your one of those kids that can learn with one of the 3 ways being taught your fine. If you fall into the other groups..well those are the kids who slip through the cracks and end up dropping out.


Aren't there laws about that now? I have friends that have children with reading problems. They told me that the schools are required to do things now. I forgot the correct terminology.

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Fri 09/18/09 11:08 AM



Gud thang yu didint goe two won of dem guvmint skools, hevenly. laugh


I agree. Most of the important learning I did was independently, from my parents, in college, etc.


Did you go to a private or public college?


I went to a private, 2 year school for graphic arts and music theory/composition.

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Fri 09/18/09 11:09 AM


Some kids don't do well in public school. My oldest son had "learning disabilities" and the type of learning he needed was not offered at his high school. After many meeting, the state had to pay for a private school that would offer the type of teaching he needed.

I was told by the Head of the Department of Education (in a state where I was back east at the time) that there are 7 different ways to teach children and that they were only implementing 3.

So if your one of those kids that can learn with one of the 3 ways being taught your fine. If you fall into the other groups..well those are the kids who slip through the cracks and end up dropping out.


Aren't there laws about that now? I have friends that have children with reading problems. They told me that the schools are required to do things now. I forgot the correct terminology.


The parents and the school system must work hand in hand in order for children to learn.

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Fri 09/18/09 11:11 AM


Some kids don't do well in public school. My oldest son had "learning disabilities" and the type of learning he needed was not offered at his high school. After many meeting, the state had to pay for a private school that would offer the type of teaching he needed.

I was told by the Head of the Department of Education (in a state where I was back east at the time) that there are 7 different ways to teach children and that they were only implementing 3.

So if your one of those kids that can learn with one of the 3 ways being taught your fine. If you fall into the other groups..well those are the kids who slip through the cracks and end up dropping out.


Aren't there laws about that now? I have friends that have children with reading problems. They told me that the schools are required to do things now. I forgot the correct terminology.


Well there were laws then..this is why the state had to pay for the different school..because the school he went to didn't offer what he needed.
It is a catch 22...they are put into special education, but at the same time the requirements are lower because they are special education..

It's a tough gig for the kids and the teachers..and parents.

Winx's photo
Fri 09/18/09 11:17 AM



Some kids don't do well in public school. My oldest son had "learning disabilities" and the type of learning he needed was not offered at his high school. After many meeting, the state had to pay for a private school that would offer the type of teaching he needed.

I was told by the Head of the Department of Education (in a state where I was back east at the time) that there are 7 different ways to teach children and that they were only implementing 3.

So if your one of those kids that can learn with one of the 3 ways being taught your fine. If you fall into the other groups..well those are the kids who slip through the cracks and end up dropping out.


Aren't there laws about that now? I have friends that have children with reading problems. They told me that the schools are required to do things now. I forgot the correct terminology.


Well there were laws then..this is why the state had to pay for the different school..because the school he went to didn't offer what he needed.
It is a catch 22...they are put into special education, but at the same time the requirements are lower because they are special education..

It's a tough gig for the kids and the teachers..and parents.


Yes, I see a friend of mine fighting for their child and their reading needs at school.

I think it goes on in private schools too. I have a friend that has twins and each goes to a different private school. Her son has many problems and goes to the private school that arranges OT, PT and speech there. You have to pay extra for that. Her daughter goes to a fancier private school that doesn't offer that. So she's driving twins to two different schools.

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Fri 09/18/09 12:18 PM




An honest question.... Who's fault IS it if you don't learn to read? I know they teach it at school. I learned to read without much problem. I went to public schools. Is this really the school system's fault? Seems like it's more the fault of the parents.


Bingo.

Partially true, the current school system is actually way to easy in USA, compared to Japan or Finland and so on and yet even this "very light" schooling (which is still capable to teach the basic reading/writing/math) seems to be too much.




oh give me a break..I have 3 sons. I raised them all the same. One had problems reading, one was an average reader and my youngest has been in the top 10% in the nation for readers since grade school..he is now in high school reading at an advanced level... how is it my fault one struggled..


Lady, you're talking about the exceptions. I certainly didn't mean to imply that a child doesn't learn to read that there might not be some underlying legitimate reason behind it. All I'm really saying is that in many (and I would wager most) cases if a child doesn't learn to read (learning disabilities aside) it's generally not the fault of the the school.


see, that's the thing..he isn't "learning disabled"...he just couldn't learn within the 3 ways taught at his school. So the school system was not able to teach him. The school system uses the methods that the majority
of the children are able to learn from. The very few who need a different way, be it hands on, visual, or whatever are considered learning disabled.
Do you know what it does to a kid to be given that label...

I will add, my experience I am referring to was 10 years ago...
hopefully it is more streamlined now.

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Fri 09/18/09 12:49 PM


An honest question.... Who's fault IS it if you don't learn to read? I know they teach it at school. I learned to read without much problem. I went to public schools. Is this really the school system's fault? Seems like it's more the fault of the parents.


It starts with reading to children when they are little and helping them with homework when they're bigger. Quiz them before they take tests. I taught my child that school is a priority. There's no playing unless the homework is all done.

Getting involved with the school is good too. Go to the parent-teachers meetings. I've done it all - the field trips, the school parties, etc. It lets my child know that their school is important to me and that makes it important to them too.

Too many children go without breakfast too. That's not a good way to start the day. Brains need fuel.


This is all great but there will still be students who will struggle even with all of this.

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Fri 09/18/09 12:54 PM
the world needs ditch diggers too

Dragoness's photo
Fri 09/18/09 01:04 PM

the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?

Ladylid2012's photo
Fri 09/18/09 01:15 PM

the world needs ditch diggers too


coming from one who has no children....

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Fri 09/18/09 03:59 PM

So I got an exceptional education in catholic school, thankfully it made me smart enough to get work to pay for the therapy I needed from the indoctrination.. :laughing:

Ok ok I'll quit...

I think there are a lot more factors than the schools themselves.


Ditto laugh

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Fri 09/18/09 04:03 PM


the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?


That's what parents are for. My parents taught me, and I always tested at "above grade level", till high school-then I tested at "PHS" (Post High School level ability)

Winx's photo
Fri 09/18/09 04:27 PM



the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?


That's what parents are for. My parents taught me, and I always tested at "above grade level", till high school-then I tested at "PHS" (Post High School level ability)


Mom brag time.bigsmile My child's reading level was PHS in 3rd grade.
All but one subject was PHS at the end of 4th grade.

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Fri 09/18/09 04:29 PM




the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?


That's what parents are for. My parents taught me, and I always tested at "above grade level", till high school-then I tested at "PHS" (Post High School level ability)


Mom brag time.bigsmile My child's reading level was PHS in 3rd grade.
All but one subject was PHS at the end of 4th grade.


Woot drinker

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Fri 09/18/09 04:31 PM



the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?


That's what parents are for. My parents taught me, and I always tested at "above grade level", till high school-then I tested at "PHS" (Post High School level ability)


Do you believe the tests are accurate? After all, I am sure that some Government Bureaucrat or Liberal Educator came up with the test.

Winx's photo
Fri 09/18/09 04:34 PM





the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?


That's what parents are for. My parents taught me, and I always tested at "above grade level", till high school-then I tested at "PHS" (Post High School level ability)


Mom brag time.bigsmile My child's reading level was PHS in 3rd grade.
All but one subject was PHS at the end of 4th grade.


Woot drinker


Thanks, Deluxe. bigsmile flowers

When I was in the car and read those results, I sat there in shock for awhile.laugh So....the summer of 3rd grade, I enrolled my child in the College for Kids Program. They earned 1/2 credit hour.laugh

The school the my child attends is great. I just have to figure out what to do with that one teacher.grumble

Winx's photo
Fri 09/18/09 04:38 PM
Edited by Winx on Fri 09/18/09 04:39 PM




the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?


That's what parents are for. My parents taught me, and I always tested at "above grade level", till high school-then I tested at "PHS" (Post High School level ability)


Do you believe the tests are accurate? After all, I am sure that some Government Bureaucrat or Liberal Educator came up with the test.


Those darn liberal educators.laugh noway laugh

They take the test at the end of every school year. The scores have stayed consistent and with two schools too. My child has gone to a new school since the 5th grade. That's all I know. My child also took an IQ test at school and that confirmed things.



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Fri 09/18/09 04:48 PM
I have a baby grandaughter that is one month old and is studying Baby Yoga. laugh

It's True! drinker

heavenlyboy34's photo
Fri 09/18/09 04:50 PM




the world needs ditch diggers too


Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to read though too ya know?


That's what parents are for. My parents taught me, and I always tested at "above grade level", till high school-then I tested at "PHS" (Post High School level ability)


Do you believe the tests are accurate? After all, I am sure that some Government Bureaucrat or Liberal Educator came up with the test.


This is beside the point. All standardized tests are problematic because of the diverse nature of the population. The point was that my parents taught me, not the school-but I still did better than the system would have done for me..

Winx's photo
Fri 09/18/09 04:59 PM

I have a baby grandaughter that is one month old and is studying Baby Yoga. laugh

It's True! drinker


Ohh...how sweet...a one month old baby granddaughter.love

I've never heard of baby Yoga.laugh