Could it be possible that God might be laughing at our feeble back and
forth spitting contest in His name and about that unknowable essence
that he is?

You and I have a single vast difference. You argue to be right, because
you believe that all will go to Heaven. I am trying to guide people
onto the right path and save their souls (Yep, I said right path. Start
firing at me now and don't forget to tell me I want to kill
non-believers and eat their children). You argue and argue. I post
responses and you come back with the same arguments. I am not here to
fight but get my point across. When I think that you don't understand
my point, I keep trying to get to you. I realize now that you are only
arguing because it brings you pleasure. You are a sick man with a
twisted heart. I am forced to debate with you and miles and you guys
refuse to ever admit wrong. I'm tired. Jesus is God, you will admit
that one day.

Jesus is Jesus, the Son of God.

And God is God.

AMEN SPIDER

ONE DAY EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND ADMIT THAT JESUS IS GOD

If you pay attention to the message instead of the who, how, and what's,
it will be beneficial.

God is God but you may worship him as Jesus as you wish for you are a
man and intitled to worship as you want.

As for me and mine we will as allways be faithful to God.

there can be only one.

I do not want to argue with you. I just want to post in peace and would
expect you to do the same.

Arguement is discourd. Discourd places ripples on the pond of serenity
which upset the boat of peace.

I think there are many of us on here that are simply trying to learn and
find the truth of the ways of God, and the path to Him. By searching and
researching and listening and re-researching we find more things to
assemble and disassemble in order that we may get true knowledge.
Hopefully being blessed in our search to know the truth.
at

Who are you AB? Confucius??lol
Kat

That is wonderfully said Kat, you are right as always

But, there is no joy in searching, researching and posting when somebody
tells you constantly that you are wrong only because you believe
different than he does. It is respectless, and if I might add, it means
he is putting himself higher than others, which
in my knowledge of Christianity is against any of Jesus' teachings.

*sigh*

Even his chrisma is greater than mine.

I am but a humble twig adrift on a vast river of knowledge. Some of it
I soak in some of it bouys me up. Some of it pushes me round about and
hither and yon. One day I will reach the ocean of knowledge and be
really dwarfed.

Um, hmm...

Spider: I've heard nothing from you that provides a stronger reason to
be Christian than to be Hindu or Muslim or any other major religion.
You claim to be guiding people onto the right path so that their souls
may be saved, but that's what people from every major religion do. Your
evidence is the Bible as the infallible Word of God. The justification
for believing that the Bible is without error is that the Bible tells
you it (the Word) is without error — a circular argument. There is no
evidence, only conjecture. Your argument for Christianity isn't so
different from a devout Muslim championing for Islam, or many other
world religions that have a devout base of followers and have what they
consider to be a sacred book of scripture.

Frankly, I don't care if anyone believes or not. It's not any of my
business. I respect your right to be a devout Christian. I'm not sure
your motives are as pure as you claim, considering how hostile your tone
tends to be in virtually every message you post. However, what truly
troubles me is your intolerance of everyone else's view. It's okay that
you express yourself and tell everyone else they are wrong, but if
anyone defends his or her view you go far beyond merely try to point
out the errors as you see them.

Instead, you resort to name-calling (e.g., "sick man with a twisted
heart") and accuse everyone who disagrees with you of merely wanting to
argue. You can proselytize all you like, but I fail to see how you are
"forced to debate" with anyone. You could easily make separate threads
for explaining your point of view and merely express a difference of
opinion in the other threads while encouraging those who want to discuss
to check out your other threads or to contact you directly for open
discourse.

You want others to admit they are wrong, but have you conceded anything
in this forum? Other than your assertion that the Bible is inerrant,
what sets you apart from anyone else who holds his or her religious
views near and dear? Even if everyone else is wrong, does that give you
the right to belittle people who see things from a different
perspective? AdventureBegins wrote a post worth consideration,
wondering if God — infinitely beyond the comprehension of our limited
understanding — may find our futile attempts to define "God" to be a
comical spectacle. Even if Jesus is God, our understanding of what that
means isn't the totality of God. I think that's all AB was pondering,
yet he gets attacked for his remark.

I originally came to the Religion Chat forum to freely and respectfully
discuss different perspectives and ideas about religion, but every
thread is hijacked by a few who don't want to discuss or introduce new
ideas. It becomes the Christians vs. the heathens in every thread. I
have yet to see a genuine, in-depth discussion of non-Christian or
non-traditional beliefs that hasn't included the Christian "we're right
and you're wrong, and if you don't convert then you're going to hell"
sentiment.

In previous posts, you've claimed that there is a growing process to
being a Christian and that deeper understanding comes with time. Who is
any of us to tell someone else what to believe, especially if virtually
all Christians lack a comprehensive understanding of the tenets they
purport to believe? I may be wrong in what I believe, but by your own
admission you are somewhat lacking as well.

If the Biblical Jesus were here, posting to this forum, do you think he
would avoid discussion of differing views and just flatly say "you're
wrong?" Or would he embrace everyone who approaches and has an open
heart? Do you not think he would persuade by example, rather than
through a verbal assault? (Okay, he'd probably perform a couple of
miracles along the way, but I'm not expecting anyone here to manage that
particular Christ-like behavior.)

I, like everyone else, cannot prove my religious views, nor can I
provide evidence of any tangible sort. I have an argument that makes
the most sense to me — but that's a perspective. Everyone here has a
slightly different perspective (by the very virtue that we're all
different people). That is likewise why there are several Christian
denominations, as the interpretation of the Word (or Spirit, as the case
may be) of one person doesn't always make sense to everyone else.
Catholics, for example, analyze scripture on three distinct levels that,
when viewed together, they think paints the most complete picture.
Others believe in the most literal interpretation possible, but even
then it requires a certain level of perspective, a deep knowledge of the
original language, and an understanding that the oldest available
transcripts were modified versions of the very earliest original
writings which are lost to history.

I'm not engaging in a religous battle here. I'm not claiming your views
are false or that mine are valid. What I'm doing is pointing out that
not everyone holds your views, and they have as much right as you have
to express their values and beliefs. You are free to disagree, but why
attack? Most Christians would agree that the infinity of God is clearly
beyond the finite limitations of our minds. AB was pointing this out in
a humorous way (e.g., "... God might be laughing at our feeble...").
Please, continue to express your ideas — I think we all encourage
everyone (Christians, too) to contribute to the conversation, without
calling you a murderer or a baby-eater. However, if it's going to
become little more than a shouting match you consider to be fruitless
(i.e., "... you guys refuse to ever admit wrong"), if discussing your
faith is something you feel "forced" to do, and if you get no pleasure
from proselytizing and spreading the Word of your Lord, Jesus Christ,
then why bother? Why feel the need to tell everyone they are wrong and
that you have cornered the truth? A lot of people here would enjoy
discussion, not just the preaching of a single viewpoint.

Can we at least make a small effort to get along and accept that we have
different views, even while expressing some disagreement? I think we
all can. I have faith.

resserts,

Jesus is famous for his verbal assaults on hypocrites and false
teachers. Jesus even attacked people with his fists and a whip for
commiting blaspheme.

Matthew 23 (The Seven Woes)
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Matthew 23 1 Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The
scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; 3 so practice and observe
whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do
not practice. 4 They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on
men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their
finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by men; for they make their
phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they love the place of
honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, 7 and salutations
in the market places, and being called rabbi by men. 8 But you are not
to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.
9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is
in heaven. 10 Neither be called masters, for you have one master, the
Christ. 11 He who is greatest among you shall be your servant; 12
whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will
be exalted. 13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither
enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in. 14 15 Woe to
you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you traverse sea and land to
make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him
twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. 16 "Woe to you, blind
guides, who say, 'If any one swears by the temple, it is nothing; but if
any one swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17
You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has
made the gold sacred? 18 And you say, 'If any one swears by the altar,
it is nothing; but if any one swears by the gift that is on the altar,
he is bound by his oath.' 19 You blind men! For which is greater, the
gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 So he who swears by the
altar, swears by it and by everything on it; 21 and he who swears by the
temple, swears by it and by him who dwells in it; 22 and he who swears
by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it. 23
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you tithe mint and
dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law,
justice and mercy and faith; these you ought to have done, without
neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and
swallowing a camel! 25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for you cleanse the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside they
are full of extortion and rapacity. 26 You blind Pharisee! first cleanse
the inside of the cup and of the plate, that the outside also may be
clean. 27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are
like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within
they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also
outwardly appear righteous to men, but within you are full of hypocrisy
and iniquity. 29 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you
build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the
righteous, 30 saying, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we
would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the
prophets.' 31 Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of
those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your
fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape
being sentenced to hell? 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men
and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will
scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 that upon
you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of
innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you
murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you,
all this will come upon this generation. 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often
would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood
under her wings, and you would not! 38 Behold, your house is forsaken
and desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you
say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
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A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw
that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent.
--John Calvin

ONE COMENT RESTON YOU FOGOT WAS THAT JESUS KNEW THE PERSON HEART SO NO
HE DID NOT JUST DISCUSS THEIR DIFFERENTS, HE WAS ATTACK TOO BY CERTAIN
PEOPLE AND IF YOU BEEN READING EVERY POST YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN SPIDER HAS
BEEN VERBALLY SATTACK BY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HE ATTACK BACK

Spider, maybe then you should ask Mike and Van for a locked Christian
only thread? One where you can be as right as ever you wish without
disrespecting people and calling them names?
We are all adults here, he all have lived a good bit of life already,
and we have used our head to get where we are now.
We are by no means stupid or retarded as you so easily like to point
out.
WE JUST DESERVE RESPECT!!!!!!!!!
And you are somebody who expects to be respected but you are not
prepared to give it.
Maybe to go and have a break and think about it would be a good idea for
you.

But that is not what you are here for, you are here to be right, you are
here to dominate, BUT WE WON'T LET YOU.
My belief for me is as right as yours for you, and I'm glad that my mind
is still creative and asks questions, and is not as grounded as yours,
with no own ideas, just doctrine, learned by heart.

I think you hit it on the head, Adventure. He who kills by the sword
will be killed by the sword. The Highlander makes that point during the
whole show, "There can be only one". I was taken back a young poet's
quote, "Red is such a pretty color. Why hide it inside you?" I replied
back to the young poet that blood is supposed to stay inside you. Blue
is a pretty color, too. I find the verse that, "God works in mysterious
ways." to be enlightening. I think God would be laughing and saying, "I
am totally invisible and they keep making me visible."

He he he

There is not a person here that could attack the one known as Jesus
Christ.

Not a single person here that has such power. He does not need your
defense.

Dogs also bark at bugs, wind gusts, fancied noises, dirt falling and
other such nonsense.

As is said in your Church JESUS SAVES, you are not Jesus you can not
save me. Sheep must be tended. I am not a sheep but a man and the son
of a man.

As a man I am a shepard of my fathers flock and not that of the Son esle
I would not be following in His footsteps but bleating in his flock.

AdventureBegins,

I didn't say or imply that Jesus needs defending. Jesus is God, BTW.
What I said is that I am defending God's truth, which is always being
attacked and there are many who would love to corrupt or completely
destroy God's truth. That is why I most post so often.

In the story of the Good Samaritan, the manager of the hotel was told to
take care of the wounded Jew. I am the hotel manager and the wounded
Jew is any Christian, new or old who needs me. I'm just not conviced
that there are any wounded Jews here.

Did I mention that Jesus is God?

You place such limits on God.

Perhaps then you should tell a Moslum that Jesus is Allah.

You have such a limited understanding of the Truth in Jesus.

You are right he is God.

I fully understand that.

for I AM therefore my eyes are opened.

AdventureBegins,

There is something I've been meaning to tell you: Jesus is God.