Now there is the case of a conjoined twin who has a single body and two heads. I saw these girls on television. They only have one body and it is a perfectly formed body. Two arms, two legs, etc. The only thing is she has two heads.

They call her conjoined twins. She is two people according to doctors, and yet to me she looks like one person with two heads.

I wonder how they make everyday decisions about what to do or even how to move. I wonder if they have arguments. They share the same heart, the same organs. If there is such a thing as a soul, I wonder if they have two different souls just because they have two different brains.

Even their point of view is very close. It would like having eyes in the back of your head. It would still be you. .... or would it? Perhaps those eyes in the back of your head are left over parts of a conjoined twin.

well with all your "he may" you've turned this into a question with hypothesis that you did not bring up in the original op. regardless, once our physical locations differ we will be in different environments experiencing different experiences. the neurons in his brain will react as mine do to those different experiences. if i was experiencing something different than i am at this moment my neurons would be reacting to how i percieve that experience differently than how i percieve this experience. he will perceive different experiences and develop different conclusions and philosopyies.



precisely.



again, what if? in fact i only have eyes in the front of my head.



of course. we perceive with all five senses.



no logical answer to an illogical question. i don't have a mind reading connection. i'll agree that cloning happens. i'll not agree that mind reading or eyes in the back of heads happen. at least as far as i know. but then i'm agnostic. what do i know. lol.

These are hypothetical questions. It does not matter if they ever happened. They have a point. That point is in search of the observer within. In search of self, the perceiver, the thinking center.

So many people don't think about who or what they are. They assume they are just their bodies or their brains. I am exploring these "what ifs" for the purpose of contemplating "self."

The question becomes "what am I?" How do I define myself?

And "where am I?" from where do I perceive the world?

well you asked three specific questions in the op, none of which asked how do you define yourself or from where do you perceive the world. you asked if a clone is a human, does it have a soul and is his soul the same as my soul. as with many of your threads, i answered your questions, you don't seem to care for my answers, so you ask completely different questions. how you define yourself only you can answer. how you perceive the world only you can answer.

Yes twins are very interesting but in no way clones. I don't believe in cloning and I struggle with whether or not they have souls.

As far as twins, my sisters live in different states. When my father was ill 11 yrs ago we all got together. One got her lipstick case out of her purse, the other one's jaw dropped open. They had the same case. Then they found out that the had the exact same kind of lipstick. THEN, they started comparing things and they had the exact same wallet. Growing up with them was freaky sometimes. They both had such freaky dreams scaring the crap out of me where I would grab my pillow and blanket, head to the bathroom, make my bed in the bathtub and lock the door. Haha I slept better!

I would think a clone would be human and I don't feel you can be human with out a soul, spirit..essence.
I know of some who believe human clones will be soul-less and there for satan's army. I think that is ridiculous myself.

I like your answer just fine when you do answer. But saying



I'm not even trying to get you to "agree that cloning happens.." That (your agreement) on this is irrelevant.

You are letting your 'known facts' get in the way of the hypothetical questions. We are not talking about 'known facts.'

We are using something called "imagination."

i can imagine cloning. it happens. i cannot imagine souls. but you didn't ask me to imagine a soul. your question 2 asked if the clone had a soul. my answer was that i've seen no evidence of a soul. on that premis, question three became unanswerable or not applicable. and i know of no "known facts" other than what i experience. agnostic remember? lol.

..is a soul only something we are taught to believe,has one ever seen a soul,as some would believe that a soul is life giving,than how is it possible that things can exist without them..but as a seed to a flower so are we... jmo

Thank you. That is all I wanted, your opinion on these things. I am not interested in debating what a soul might be or if we have them. I just wanted people's opinion.

I've seen a lot of movies concerning human clones that address some of these question and I find it an interesting thing to contemplate.

I read somewhere that when nanites (tiny robots) are perfected that they will be able to create what will be called "an artificial person" from the atoms on up and these artificial persons would be indistinguishable from a real human born naturally and would be exact duplicates (copies) of a person or of the design of a person.
This to me requires some thought about the repercussions of that kind of technology and implies that a person of this design could be programed to be and do anything.

1. Is your clone a human?

Of course, it has the DNA of the human genome, it's human by definition. What would you call it? A rabbit?

2. Does your clone have a soul?

Of course, everything has a soul whether it's living or not.

3. Is that clone's soul YOUR soul?

My soul?

Ownership is a fabrication of the ego. Nobody owns soul. Except maybe B. B. King.

I don't see how it's even possible to say souls don't exist.

First of all, what exactly is it that you're saying doesn't exist? Do you have a definition for "soul"? And is it the same definition use by Jeannie?

In other words, you can say what you define as soul, doesn't exist. But you can't really say that what Jeannie defines as soul doesn't exist without knowing what it is that Jeannie defines as soul.

And you most certainly cannot say that what I define as soul cannot exist.

So back to the main question, what exactly is it that you are saying doesn't exist?

Thank you for your input.

1. Is your clone a human?

Yes

2. Does your clone have a soul?

Trick question, but the true answer is No.

3. Is that clone's soul YOUR soul?

No.

Why is that a trick question? Do you have a soul?

By soul, let me say that it is a unified field that is kept as "a body" after you discard your physical body.

bit of a unique definition. But the best I seen so far in my life. The soul is a type of body that you keep after you discard your physical body. In the middle of a field, which is unified.

Makes perfect sense.

I will adopt this, and I hope everyone else does too, on these forums and beyond.

To answer your original three questions with this definition in mind, then I'd say:

1. Maybe yes, maybe no.
2. Depends (on who and what exactly are unified)
3. Depends (on who and what exactily is included in the unified field)

Ah, ok. I have a hard time differentiating between what different people mean by the various terms that they use - such as "soul", "spirit" "essence", "consciousness" etc. To me they're all the same.

So I was thinking of "soul" in the sense of "I am a soul".

But that's not they way you defined it so...

I don't consider "what is kept after the body dies" to be "a body" in any sense of the word that I can imagine. So in that sense, I would say that I don't have a soul.

If only everyone were so accepting of other people's definitions.



Oh dear! I think I've peed in my soul.

Are they washable?

I don't identify with A SOUL as in "I am a soul." The soul, for me, is a container of memories, information, experiences from a point of view of a single incarnation.

I am not "a soul" ultimately. (Ultimately... I just am, or I am that which is.)

But for now, I will identify with my higher self.

A MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF WHAT I BELIEVE A SOUL IS:


The 'soul' does not 'die.' It is simply a unified field that contains all of the information and memories of that individual person or incarnation. It is a force field that contains the essence of that person, which is never destroyed. I believe that field contains a 'mind' and memories and is connected to the higher mind of the higher self that contains all of the individual units or "souls" of each individual incarnation experienced by your personal true self or YOU. Your true self contains all of these unified fields and contains all of the memories of your past lives and past experiences. These experiences are then available to you and all of your other incarnations after you(they) die. I see them as units that store information, memories, and experiences.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. The more understanding the better.