The real question was not about Islam really only pointing out that people dont feel the need to come into this thread and rant and rave about Islam only Christianity! The reason being in my opinion is there is open bigotry against Christianity because of politic's nothing more!

The evidence of that is based on there are few differences between the two "Islam and Christianity", stark differences yes but they are similar! So don't hate Christianity because politicians use it as a tool, just understand people have a right to freedom of religon!

I dont know enough chat slang to know what CIC is, but, yes he studied the constitution(it was his major) and I dont see evidence of him being anything but respectful.

there is open bigotry agains christianity because of many things having nothing to do with politics as well. i despise christianity as i despise all religion not just islam. but what does it matter that bigotry agains any religion is political? expressions of bigotry are permitted in this country are they not?



of course. i don't hate christianity because polititions tell me i should. many politians are among the christian right wing afterall. i hate christianity and all religion for the harm it causes humanity.

yeah, what he said.

I'm guessing he missed that part about all powers not specifically assigned to the federal government are reserved for the states.

From the OP:

Is it okay to openly make bigoted statemnets against a group of people?

Well, Christians do this all the time. They are vehemently against same-gender lovers, for example, they call them "sinners" and refuse to recognize their human right to love each other as a couple.

I imagine that Islam is somewhate similar.

All religions that are based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads should be banned as far as I'm concerned. So that would inclued Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and anything else that is based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads.

I denounce the whole Mediterranean mythology thing as being a highly egotistical hate crime. I think historically they have shown that they aren't any better than Adolf Hitler's.

Look at all the innocent midwives they tortured and burned alive at the stake in the name of Jesus Christ.

The idea that anyone would associate with such a disgusting religion today is, in my mind, unthinkable, yet look at how many people support that horrible heartless ungodly religion.

It's disgusting.

And I feel that as a human being who has to live on the same planet with those hateful people I should have the right to voice my views. After all, in my mind, they are criminals supporting and preaching hate crimes.

I speak out against the demomic religions they worship in the same way that I would speak out against cancer. It needs to be stamped out.

Thoese kinds of religions that are based on hateful egotistical gods who lust to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over all nations are inherently nothing by fascist politics disguised as "religion".

They are nothing more than political movements trying to hide behind the pretense that they speak for some 'divine being'. But the truth of the matter is that there is nothing 'divine' about the hatred and bigotry they spread.

Those kinds of religions (with egotistical jealous godheads) are just fascism in disguise. And that include the whole batch that grew out of the Mediterranean region. They all claim to worship the same egotistical godhead, yet they all claim that their godhead is different from the others.

It's just a very grusome fascism that is being passed off as various religions. There's nothing divine about any of them. They all spread hate and bigotry towards anyone who doesn't worship their dogma.

They are all about worshiping books. Books filled with bigotry and lies.

As a human being on planet Earth who has to live with these hateful people I feel I should have every right to speak out against the atrocities they support and preach.

msharmony wrote:

Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.

But what you're talking about isn't truly Christianity.

You're talking about Jesusfreakism.

True Christianity believes that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh. Yahweh is the real God of true Christianity, not Jesus. Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God, not the God himself.

In true Christianity Jesus is viewed as "The Christ". This is why it's called Christianity and not Jesusianity.

In true Christianity Yahweh remains the top God. Even the gospels have Jesus proclaiming this, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

He was supposedly referring to the Torah (or Old Testament) here. In other words, the ways commandments and directives of Yahweh shall in no way be dismissed.

So you can't just ask, "What would Jesus do". Because according to this orthodox religious view Jesus would look up what Yahweh said to do, and do that, if you can trust Matthew 5:18 (the quote from Jesus I just gave above).

So all you're truly saying is that you reject Christianity in favor of being a Jesus Freak.

Many so-called "Christians" do indeed take this stance. The very term "Chruchianity" was coined by Christians who prefer to define Jesus for themselves and reject orthodox views.

In fact, the whole "Protestant" movement is based on protesting the orthodox religion. Can Protestantism truly be said to even be "Christianity" anymore? They seem to play down the idea of Jesus being "The Christ" and instead view him as a rebel who rebelled against the ways of Yahweh.

I personally believe that this is precisely why many people find Christianity attractive over Judaism and Islam because, in Jesus, they have someone who rejected the nasty ways of Yahweh.

I could follow the moral teachings of Jesus with no problem at all. In fact, insofar as I know I always have without even thinking about it, because Jesus basically preached the same things that I naturally feel. Like when he was against stoning the woman at the well. I wouldn't be among the idiots who wanted to stone her in the first place.

In fact, who's idea was it to stone people to death in the first place? It was Yahweh's command!

Like Jesus, I would have ignored the teachings of Yahweh too!

I'm convinced that Jesus was a mortal man not unlike myself. He taught against the horrible commandments of the God of the Old Testament. Jesus was a heathen in that regard.

I can't call myself a "Christian" because I don't believe that Jesus was "The Christ". I see no reason to believe that he was the son of Yahweh.

Also, if you ask, "What would Jesus do?" you can just as easily ask, "What would Buddha do?". You'll come up with the same answer to either question. I personally prefer to ask myself, "What would I do?". Then I know I'll do the right thing every time.

and how do you feel about the harm caused throughout history by those OPPOSED to religion or without religion?,I dont think any group can exclude themselves from the accusation of past atrocities.

I'm guessing he missed that part about all powers not specifically assigned to the federal government are reserved for the states.

and how do you feel about the harm caused throughout history by those OPPOSED to religion or without religion?,I dont think any group can exclude themselves from the accusation of past atrocities.

Or perhaps its in the wording. The constitution gives federal government the right to collect taxes. The health mandate, from back to front, is a tax that you can avoid paying by having insurance. A tax, like any other, that can have a penalty of imprisonment if you dont pay. I leave constitutional issues to those who have studied it moreso than to the spin doctors and google experts who have repeated tidbits over and over without having anymore knowledge of the WHOLE document than most who havent expressly studied it.

Well, Christians do this all the time. They are vehemently against same-gender lovers, for example, they call them "sinners" and refuse to recognize their human right to love each other as a couple.

I imagine that Islam is somewhate similar.

All religions that are based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads should be banned as far as I'm concerned. So that would inclued Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and anything else that is based on hateful jealous egotistical godheads.

I denounce the whole Mediterranean mythology thing as being a highly egotistical hate crime. I think historically they have shown that they aren't any better than Adolf Hitler's.

Look at all the innocent midwives they tortured and burned alive at the stake in the name of Jesus Christ.

The idea that anyone would associate with such a disgusting religion today is, in my mind, unthinkable, yet look at how many people support that horrible heartless ungodly religion.

It's disgusting.

And I feel that as a human being who has to live on the same planet with those hateful people I should have the right to voice my views. After all, in my mind, they are criminals supporting and preaching hate crimes.

I speak out against the demomic religions they worship in the same way that I would speak out against cancer. It needs to be stamped out.

Thoese kinds of religions that are based on hateful egotistical gods who lust to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over all nations are inherently nothing by fascist politics disguised as "religion".

They are nothing more than political movements trying to hide behind the pretense that they speak for some 'divine being'. But the truth of the matter is that there is nothing 'divine' about the hatred and bigotry they spread.

Those kinds of religions (with egotistical jealous godheads) are just fascism in disguise. And that include the whole batch that grew out of the Mediterranean region. They all claim to worship the same egotistical godhead, yet they all claim that their godhead is different from the others.

It's just a very grusome fascism that is being passed off as various religions. There's nothing divine about any of them. They all spread hate and bigotry towards anyone who doesn't worship their dogma.

They are all about worshiping books. Books filled with bigotry and lies.

As a human being on planet Earth who has to live with these hateful people I feel I should have every right to speak out against the atrocities they support and preach.

Christians ask what would Jesus do and Jesus was not hateful. People can claim their reason for anything they do is in the name of Christ but our reasons, due to free will, are always in our own name. ITs troubling to see how often mens sinful and violent nature is blamed on Christianity just because those men CLAIM to believe in Christ.

As far as human rights, there are many man assigned human rights that are sin. It is a human right to lie, to deceive, to covet and none of this means that these things can therefore not be sins. We have human rights because of the gift of free will, but not every right is righteous and aknowleding that is not hateful unless harm is wished upon the one who sins,,which I would hope christians wouldnt do if they truly are following christs example. We are to pray for others sins and our own, not condemn our neighbor.

Yes, every geno type, every ethnicity, every belief system, can be shown to have committed some "harm".
However, I would submit that more lasting "harm" has been commited in the name of some godthing than any other thing.

I wasnt aware of your belief of what 'true christianity' is so I cannot refute your perceptions of that. I am responding about what my baptist faith (a christian religion) instilled in me. I can ask what would Jesus do, precisely because he followed the guidance of GOD. HE was here as an example, and it is in that sense that I ask what he would do. As far as the name of God , yahweh, or jehovah, there are many interpretations of what that should be.I believe in Jesus as the only begotten son of God and based upon the example he set while he was on this earth, violence and hatefulness would not be a part of the lives of his truest believers.

not certain i follow you. how does article two which gives power to the president relate to the tenth amendment? that part you say he missed? are the powers of cic not included in article two? do the states have the powers of the cic? just not following here.

I have yet to see the atheists bomb a church or wage a religious war to unreligiousize the world. I have yet to see atheists use the excuse the devil made them do something and ask for forgiveness on Sunday at church and all is cool. Or the crazy belief that man is inheritly evil without god to control his life.

Atheists believe they are responsible for themselves from beginning to end and therefore in my experience they act more morally than any religious person I have met. They are more self responsible because they have noone to blame for their life but themselves.